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Reply #315 - Sep 6^th, 2022 at 10:53am

Frank wrote on Sep 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.

Nothing like making a quick buck out of war .....regardless of the need to exit coal and gas, to save the planet from climate, environnmental and health concerns.

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Reply #316 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

Frank wrote on Sep 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

One of Australia’s biggest commodity exports has surged to record levels, with the price of Newcastle coal soaring to all-time highs as miners cash in amid a deepening energy crisis in Europe.

The thermal coal rose to a new high with Newcastle futures trading above $US440 ($648) a tonne, more than doubling since the start of 2022, with Europe’s energy crisis set to worsen as Russia considers a long-term halt of gas supplies to the continent.

Nothing like making a quick buck out of war .....regardless of the need to exit coal and gas, to save the planet from climate, environnmental and health concerns.

Increased DEMAND, stooge.

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Reply #318 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 5:51pm

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

thegreatdivide says that ruinables are able to be made from non-fossil fueled sources.

Well...it's a case of fossils increasingly being put out of business, as renewables increasingly meet the demand.

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And they will cost nothing. Be maintained for nothing and produce...? Roll Eyes

That will be confirmed, as the profit-seeking private fossil companies resist being put out of business, and the public sector will have to step in to create the funding (via money- creation in central banks).

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Reply #319 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

thegreatdivide says that ruinables are able to be made from non-fossil fueled sources.

Well...it's a case of fossils increasingly being put out of business, as renewables increasingly meet the demand.

You are an idiot pal, repeating empty nonsense.

Renewables meet demand NOWHERE except in a little suburban house for their occasional fairy lights in the garden.

There is NO industry possible on renewables except hydro. Sun and wind are silly, exorbitantly expensive to manufacture and run and recycle toys for heating your chook run and little suburban garden lights.

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Reply #320 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:07pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

thegreatdivide says that ruinables are able to be made from non-fossil fueled sources.

Well...it's a case of fossils increasingly being put out of business, as renewables increasingly meet the demand.

You are an idiot pal, repeating empty nonsense.

Renewables meet demand NOWHERE except in a little suburban house for their occasional fairy lights in the garden.

There is NO industry possible on renewables except hydro. Sun and wind are silly, exorbitantly expensive to manufacture and run and recycle toys for heating your chook run and little suburban garden lights.

Factually incorrect. The world's hot deserts alone - backed with pumped hydro storage - can produce all the GW's needed to power the global economy.

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Reply #321 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

Factually incorrect. The world's hot desertts alone - backed with pumped hydro storage - can produce all the GW's needed to power the global economy.

The world's hot deserts alone MAY produce all the GW's. Except when the sun don 't shine.

As for pumped hydro - it is a loss proposition it takes more energy than its output.

But seeing as you are so certain of this perhaps you can name ONE industrialised country currently running on ruinables.

So tell us how all these ruinables are able to be manufactured with other ruinables. Roll Eyes

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Reply #322 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

thegreatdivide says that ruinables are able to be made from non-fossil fueled sources.

Well...it's a case of fossils increasingly being put out of business, as renewables increasingly meet the demand.

You are an idiot pal, repeating empty nonsense.

Renewables meet demand NOWHERE except in a little suburban house for their occasional fairy lights in the garden.

There is NO industry possible on renewables except hydro. Sun and wind are silly, exorbitantly expensive to manufacture and run and recycle toys for heating your chook run and little suburban garden lights.

Factually incorrect. The world's hot deserts alone - backed with pumped hydro storage - can produce all the GW's needed to power the global economy.

Oh!!! Of Course!!! That's why the common prosperity one party meritocracy CCP is powering China with the mirage off the deserts!!!! OF COURSE!! How did we miss THAT??

(AFGHANISTAN/Badghis: Sultana, 24, recently had to bury her youngest daughter, who froze to death in the Afghan desert.)

Come on pal, not even you take yourself seriously.

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Reply #323 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:30pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

thegreatdivide says that ruinables are able to be made from non-fossil fueled sources.

Well...it's a case of fossils increasingly being put out of business, as renewables increasingly meet the demand.

You are an idiot pal, repeating empty nonsense.

Renewables meet demand NOWHERE except in a little suburban house for their occasional fairy lights in the garden.

There is NO industry possible on renewables except hydro. Sun and wind are silly, exorbitantly expensive to manufacture and run and recycle toys for heating your chook run and little suburban garden lights.

Factually incorrect. The world's hot deserts alone - backed with pumped hydro storage - can produce all the GW's needed to power the global economy.

Oh!!! Of Course!!! That's why the common prosperity one party meritocracy CCP is powering China with the mirage off the deserts!!!! OF COURSE!! How did we miss THAT??

(AFGHANISTAN/Badghis: Sultana, 24, recently had to bury her youngest daughter, who froze to death in the Afghan desert.)

Come on pal, not even you take yourself seriously.

The problem is global, something conservatives with their 'personal responsibility' mantra will have trouble understanding.

Fact: the hot deserts in Africa and Eurasia can supply all the GWS needed across that entire land mass.

Transmission technology can ensure every nation will be suppled as required (given the energy is free).

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Reply #324 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:30pm:

The problem is global, something conservatives with their 'personal responsibility' mantra will have trouble understanding.

You mean like India, China, Russia etc.

"At the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit, Chinese and Indian leaders — along with their counterparts from Russia and Turkey — explicitly declared that they cannot be coerced into reducing fossil fuel consumption, calling for an "increased investment in oil and gas production and exploration."

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:30pm:

Fact: the hot deserts in Africa and Eurasia can supply all the GWS needed across that entire land mass.

Supposition. Facts are something that happens after the wet dream.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:30pm:

Transmission technology can ensure every nation will be suppled as required (given the energy is free).

Via WiFi.

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Reply #325 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 11:51am

lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:30pm:

The problem is global, something conservatives with their 'personal responsibility' mantra will have trouble understanding.

You mean like India, China, Russia etc.

No I mean you, Frank Grapps etc.

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"At the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit, Chinese and Indian leaders — along with their counterparts from Russia and Turkey — explicitly declared that they cannot be coerced into reducing fossil fuel consumption, calling for an "increased investment in oil and gas production and exploration."

That's what happens when the rich developed world selfishly demands the developing world funds its own exit from fossils

[quote[Supposition. Facts are something that happens after the wet dream. [/quote]

Denial of facts.

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No.

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Reply #326 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 12:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 11:51am:

That's what happens when the rich developed world selfishly demands the developing world funds its own exit from fossils

And also deny cheap reliable electricity to Africa. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 11:51am:

Denial of facts.

And yet you can't back up your rhetoric. That makes it supposition. Roll Eyes

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Reply #327 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 12:39pm:

And also deny cheap reliable electricity to Africa. Roll Eyes

Er ...Africa is also counted as 'developing', and will require developed world support (not money, that's not an issue for central banks - but developed world know- how and technology).

Ouch,,,, the age of dog eat dog private sector market competition is drawing to its close. .

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And yet you can't back up your rhetoric. That makes it supposition. Roll Eyes

Memory loss?

We did that topic to death last year. You objected to paying people to clean solar panels....and claimed the Snowy2 scheme is flawed.

Oz - mainly a vast empty desert with great wind and solar resources, can easily power itself with renewables; the real problem here is our central bank orthodoxy....and the greed of fossil CEOs who want to continue to rip-off Oz power consumers

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Reply #328 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 9:19pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Er ...Africa is also counted as 'developing', and will require developed world support (not money, that's not an issue for central banks - but developed world know- how and technology).

But not fossil fuels. What part of cheap, reliable did you not get?

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Memory loss?

No

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

We did that topic to death last year. You objected to paying people to clean solar panels....and claimed the Snowy2 scheme is flawed.

The boffins say that it is flawed. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Oz - mainly a vast empty desert with great wind and solar resources, can easily power itself with renewables; the real problem here is our central bank orthodoxy....and the greed of fossil CEOs who want to continue to rip-off Oz power consumers

Oh not thesSahara then? And you still haven't come up with a way to clean the PV arrays. Free because the electricity will be free. Roll Eyes

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Reply #329 - Sep 30^th, 2022 at 12:19pm

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 9:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Er ...Africa is also counted as 'developing', and will require developed world support (not money, that's not an issue for central banks - but developed world know- how and technology).

But not fossil fuels. What part of cheap, reliable did you not get?

er...the 'cheapest' form of new energy is renewables, especially in Africa which possesses the Sahara desert.
('cheapest' ..especially when funded by World Bank money creation)

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/are-solar-and-wind-cheapest-forms...

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The boffins say that it is flawed. Roll Eyes

the pro-fossil boffins, that is...

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Oh not thesSahara then?

Your powers of analysis? Oz has its own "Sahara" (Simpson plus Gibson plus etc... )

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And you still haven't come up with a way to clean the PV arrays. Free because the electricity will be free. Roll Eyes

You unemployed? I've got a well-paid outdoor job for you, funded by government overseeing an economy powered by free sunshine.

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