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Reply #45 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:54pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
But you're putting money into another appreciating asset, one that often out performs shares.



And often not. Property location, location, location.

Shares - an index fund

Although for your own investments a mix same as your super fund.
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Reply #46 - May 16th, 2022 at 9:00pm
 
Well - I agree - and I could not count the number of times I've agreed with Keating on the fingers of one hand - there are far better alternatives to putting the brakes on rampant and runaway investment buying and foreign ownership, such as:-

. high interest rates on investment loans, which would have the dual benefit of keeping the investment insanity under control and also making the banks, with their own investment in keeping the market forever upwards, toe the line when it comes to marginal lending

. stipulating that a specified and very high percentage of every development MUST be for private homing and not investment

. changing the rules that permit serial investment buying on 'ghost candidate' equity, such as 'just bought one, now got equity DEEMED to be there in future by the bank, and now another one thanks!', when genuine cash equity in deposits saved and actually apparent in bank balance misses out as a result.  As before - this encourages the banks in their determination to see the market rise endlessly and damn the potential home OWNER, and to pressure their political mates and cronies to go along with this insanity (too big to fail - help us out here!).  The amazing thing is that a bank considers equity as a potential future gain and not actual incoming/outgoing on current value, and thus promotes the endless gain in market price so as to garner endless income for themselves!!!

. you can see where this puts struggling prospective home OWNERS (who the banks and their mates would like to see forever in rental so as to guarantee their money flow) - way behind the game since they only have real cash in the bank (well pharken DUH??!!??)

. putting severe bans on foreign ownership and restrictions on ownership by non 100% citizens, and banning foreign investment buying, both for homing and other land uses

. cash for purchase by foreigners must be accessed here to buy here under the same rules and at the same rates - the influx of ready from Offshore does nothing but raise the market prices for the locals and thus destroys The Australian Dream

. freeing up this 'equity' on superannuation to 'help home owners into a home' will only serve to raise the prices again, and thus is self-defeating, and will not resolve the long term issues around eventual retirement, but will make those worse

Now - as to why the twerps in Cambra will not come at this - they are all in the game together with their mates, so they have a vested interest in perpetuating the rise and rise of homing cost, until the inevitable crash and disaster brings the whole lot down... in the meantime, the prospective HOME owner is left out in the cold time and again to suit these parasites, and is forced to pay rent to sustain this filthy market in which many of these 'political leaders' have a huge stake.

Not to mention the brown paper bags.......

It's time for the parasites to take it on the chin for a change..... they've had their free run.....
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Reply #47 - May 20th, 2022 at 11:56am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 6:13am:
Paul Keating attacks Coalition’s super for housing policy as economists warn of soaring prices   

May 16 2022
New Daily.
A Coalition plan to allow first-home buyers to use their superannuation to buy property has been slammed as a “frontal assault” on super that would light a fire under house prices.



Gillard was good, but Keating was our last *great* PM
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Reply #48 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:36pm
 
lee wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
But you're putting money into another appreciating asset, one that often out performs shares.



And often not. Property location, location, location.

Shares - an index fund

Although for your own investments a mix same as your super fund.



You'd have to try pretty hard to get a dud property that doesn't perform as well as a balanced share portfolio.

It's also likely that $50k invested in property will outperform super shares because it's heavily geared.
50k = 90k

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Reply #49 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
lee wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
But you're putting money into another appreciating asset, one that often out performs shares.


When I sold a company I spoke to Shadforths and they insisted I could not invest in real estate.  Realistically cost me $2 million.  I've left the share market, I don't expect property to grow like it has, but I am sure it won't shrink and I think the stock market is a ponzi scheme


And often not. Property location, location, location.

Shares - an index fund

Although for your own investments a mix same as your super fund.



You'd have to try pretty hard to get a dud property that doesn't perform as well as a balanced share portfolio.

It's also likely that $50k invested in property will outperform super shares because it's heavily geared.
50k = 90k


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Reply #50 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:41pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
lee wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
But you're putting money into another appreciating asset, one that often out performs shares.



And often not. Property location, location, location.

Shares - an index fund

Although for your own investments a mix same as your super fund.



You'd have to try pretty hard to get a dud property that doesn't perform as well as a balanced share portfolio.

It's also likely that $50k invested in property will outperform super shares because it's heavily geared.
50k = 90k



The other factors not being counted in the comparison with Super vs housing under the Lib's scheme ...

No rent to pay.
No tax on the capital gain for the dosh in the home.


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Reply #51 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:46pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:41pm:
Gordon wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
lee wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
But you're putting money into another appreciating asset, one that often out performs shares.



And often not. Property location, location, location.

Shares - an index fund

Although for your own investments a mix same as your super fund.



You'd have to try pretty hard to get a dud property that doesn't perform as well as a balanced share portfolio.

It's also likely that $50k invested in property will outperform super shares because it's heavily geared.
50k = 90k



The other factors not being counted in the comparison with Super vs housing under the Lib's scheme ...

No rent to pay.
No tax on the capital gain for the dosh in the home.


Cool Cool


I own two houses outright and have morgages on two.  Why would I pay rent?

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Reply #52 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:57pm
 
As I said ... "under the Lib's scheme"

We're talking about the first home buyers scheme.

Do try to keep up.  Wink
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Reply #53 - May 20th, 2022 at 12:58pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:57pm:
As I said ... "under the Lib's scheme"

We're talking about the first home buyers scheme.

Do try to keep up.  Wink


So you're saying the fact people aren't paying rent if they buy is a factor? In what ways?
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Reply #54 - May 20th, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:57pm:
As I said ... "under the Lib's scheme"

We're talking about the first home buyers scheme.

Do try to keep up.  Wink


So you're saying the fact people aren't paying rent if they buy is a factor? In what ways?


Rent money is money you never get back. Paying a mortgage is money you get to keep as it is building your asset, not someone else's asset.   Cool
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Reply #55 - May 20th, 2022 at 1:03pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 12:57pm:
As I said ... "under the Lib's scheme"

We're talking about the first home buyers scheme.

Do try to keep up.  Wink


So you're saying the fact people aren't paying rent if they buy is a factor? In what ways?


Rent money is money you never get back. Paying a mortgage is money you get to keep as it is building your asset, not someone else's asset.   Cool


Sure, and? I mean barely at first, but eventually.

This is why it's bad that young people are locked out of the market.  It's what makes their super worthless
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