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Re: Paul Keating Slams Coalition's Super Policy
Reply #15 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:54pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 8:32am:
The only way to reduce house prices sto increase supply

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We need some people who know how to use a hammer
And a shovel
And we need them to knock up some houses

Allowing people to access super
Just increases the demand side
Whilst doing nothing for the supply side
And the consequence has to be increased prices


Despite your obvious paranoia of those smarter than you and your childish one size fits all solution to everything (that just happens to match your ideology 100%, not reality) you're starting to get there.  You've at least identified the supply issues even if you've peppered the "scam demic" throughout your posts...

So let's see if we can extract your solutions from this mess you've posted.  You want to cut some areas of the public service and welfare in order to build more home to increase supply?

Those areas being anything Labor appears to actually take seriously like Worker safety, the environment, a safety net for the people etc.

Ok, but how would cutting funding in those areas help the free market build more homes?

Unless you're suggesting more public housing or a fleet of public servants building homes?

Interesting, but I can't see you actually wanting that.  You've been more willing these years to see people die than your money going to things, like welfare, that you don't believe in.

We need a 2 pronged approach, one to help in the short term in the most efficient way possible to get more affordable housing and then address a more long term view of the issues that have created this mess at the moment.

The Libs and Nats have let slide that the housing market is a safe investment option.

And that's their problem.  They see housing as a financial market, not as HOUSING!

They've tailored their current announcement with the specific goal of lowering the impact on house prices.  They're worried about the market before the people having a roof over their heads.

And they're doing it by pushing people closer to poverty in their old age while at the same time giving people who are already in that age bracket, like them, tax breaks to sell their larger homes that first home buyers are unlikely to be able to afford anyway.

Their two solutions won't even come close to addressing the issue and in fact be worse for housing affordability and supply than them doing nothing.

Doing nothing is tipped to see a 10-15% drop in house prices over the next 12 months.
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Re: Paul Keating Slams Coalition's Super Policy
Reply #16 - May 16th, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 12:38pm:
Under Labor's scheme, a home buyer could end up almost half a $Million worse off.


First-home buyers could save about $1000 a month on their mortgage repayments by choosing Labor’s Help to Buy scheme over the government’s First Home Guarantee, but may trade off up to $455,000 in equity gains, new modelling shows.

https://i.imgur.com/UBKhnE6.jpg


https://www.theage.com.au/property/news/will-first-home-buyers-be-better-off-usi...


Half a million worse off, if they can afford to buy today which in turn would see them not needing this assistance anyway.

You understand that right?

If they don't buy today without Labor's help they'll be $1.5 million worse off.

The point is to help them get into the market.  If they're not in the market they lose all the gains, so they're 1 million better off with Labor's help.

It just depends on what point you want to make by how you look at it...

We know what point you're trying to make.
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Reply #17 - May 16th, 2022 at 1:23pm
 
Scomos scheme looks OK at first glance, however the likely scenario, as pointed out above, is that housing prices will increase and no one will be any better off. Maybe if housing prices were capped this could work but that is not going to happen.
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Reply #18 - May 16th, 2022 at 1:50pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 12:38pm:
Under Labor's scheme, a home buyer could end up almost half a $Million worse off.


First-home buyers could save about $1000 a month on their mortgage repayments by choosing Labor’s Help to Buy scheme over the government’s First Home Guarantee, but may trade off up to $455,000 in equity gains, new modelling shows.

https://i.imgur.com/UBKhnE6.jpg


https://www.theage.com.au/property/news/will-first-home-buyers-be-better-off-usi...


Half a million worse off, if they can afford to buy today which in turn would see them not needing this assistance anyway.

You understand that right?

If they don't buy today without Labor's help they'll be $1.5 million worse off.

The point is to help them get into the market.  If they're not in the market they lose all the gains, so they're 1 million better off with Labor's help.

It just depends on what point you want to make by how you look at it...

We know what point you're trying to make.



If they buy under ScoMo's plan they could be $450,000 better off than under the Albo plan.

You understand that right?

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Re: Paul Keating Slams Coalition's Super Policy
Reply #19 - May 16th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 1:50pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 12:38pm:
Under Labor's scheme, a home buyer could end up almost half a $Million worse off.


First-home buyers could save about $1000 a month on their mortgage repayments by choosing Labor’s Help to Buy scheme over the government’s First Home Guarantee, but may trade off up to $455,000 in equity gains, new modelling shows.

https://i.imgur.com/UBKhnE6.jpg


https://www.theage.com.au/property/news/will-first-home-buyers-be-better-off-usi...


Half a million worse off, if they can afford to buy today which in turn would see them not needing this assistance anyway.

You understand that right?

If they don't buy today without Labor's help they'll be $1.5 million worse off.

The point is to help them get into the market.  If they're not in the market they lose all the gains, so they're 1 million better off with Labor's help.

It just depends on what point you want to make by how you look at it...

We know what point you're trying to make.



If they buy under ScoMo's plan they could be $450,000 better off than under the Albo plan.

You understand that right?


Scomo's plan would contribute on average 8-16k only on average super levels.
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Reply #20 - May 16th, 2022 at 2:09pm
 
That would be $8,000 to $16,000 less to save up for a deposit.  Cool

Also, you would not have the government owning part of your home.  Cool Cool


In my opinion, Jim Chalmers has not put in the hard yards like Keating did before he got into power.

It is all going to end in tears for Labor down the track.

Last time Labor had a treasurer named Jim it ended badly too.  Wink
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Reply #21 - May 16th, 2022 at 2:22pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 2:09pm:
That would be $8,000 to $16,000 less to save up for a deposit.  Cool

Also, you would not have the government owning part of your home.  Cool Cool


In my opinion, Jim Chalmers has not put in the hard yards like Keating did before he got into power.

It is all going to end in tears for Labor down the track.

Last time Labor had a treasurer named Jim it ended badly too.  Wink



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Reply #22 - May 16th, 2022 at 2:31pm
 
There have been many calls over the years for people to be allowed access to super to buy homes.

"The Singapore-inspired idea for using super for housing that could cut costs 50% "

"HouseMate buyers would be permitted to use their superannuation savings and contributions for both the deposit and ongoing repayments"

https://theconversation.com/the-singapore-inspired-idea-for-using-super-for-hous...
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Reply #23 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:19pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 12:49pm:
Something to keep in mind, Paul Keating is an elitist pig who personally sneers at the Everyman.  He spends half his life at the Double Bay auction rooms snapping up property and personally driving up prices.

His kids and grandkids have also followed in his footsteps and also rich pretentious money bragging schits.


Paul Keating (the grub who introduced Uni fees in Australia) himself originally came up with the idea of accessing super to fund a property deposit. In fact the hypocritical Keating himself took that policy to a Federal Election!

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Reply #24 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:20pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 7:48am:
What Paul Keating didn't say was this : he himself proposed the same idea when he last ran for PM.


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Reply #25 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:27pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 7:48am:
What Paul Keating didn't say was this : he himself proposed the same idea when he last ran for PM.


*swish*


Are you swishing about?
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Reply #26 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:36pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:27pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 7:48am:
What Paul Keating didn't say was this : he himself proposed the same idea when he last ran for PM.


*swish*


Are you swishing about?


Swish is the sound that a basketball net makes when the basketball gets through the hoop with a "nothin' but net" result. It means that I think you nailed it. I recall something of what you were saying, back in the early 1990s.
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Reply #27 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:37pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 1:23pm:
Scomos scheme looks OK at first glance, however the likely scenario, as pointed out above, is that housing prices will increase and no one will be any better off. Maybe if housing prices were capped this could work but that is not going to happen.


This very issue was discussed at yesterday's Liberal Party Election Launch in Brisbane. Less than 100 000 First Home Owners applications go through the books each financial year (this was the approx figure under a very low interest rate/flexible financial provider lending rules regime). That figure will drop even more now that interest rates have gone up and lending criteria has tightened.

This initiative is hoping to keep that number at around 100 000. In short it's making sure First Home Owners have some extra help to get over the line. 

(Please don't ask me what I think about the idea. Let's just say I'm very critical of it but not for the reasons you've given ie raising prices in real estate). 



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Reply #28 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:40pm
 
"Paul Keating, who poured scorn on Treasurer Joe Hockey last week for raising the idea of allowing young Australians to buy their first home by tapping into their super, briefly promised the same thing in 1993."

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/paul-keating-promised-first-home-buyers-acces...

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Reply #29 - May 16th, 2022 at 3:45pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:36pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:27pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 7:48am:
What Paul Keating didn't say was this : he himself proposed the same idea when he last ran for PM.


*swish*


Are you swishing about?


Swish is the sound that a basketball net makes when the basketball gets through the hoop with a "nothin' but net" result. It means that I think you nailed it. I recall something of what you were saying, back in the early 1990s.


Ah.

Unfortunately....I am getting super cynical with every passing year. I'm seeing Labor leaders running with Liberal policies/Liberal leaders running with Labor policies to a Federal Election.

They must both think we're blooming fools not to notice this.

God help us all. We've got idiots running this country.


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