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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #60 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:21pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Not if they already had or sired a litter. That is the item you will not accept because you want to go shooting.

So shoot—don’t pretend you are making the slightest difference to feral cat numbers tho.

Monk - you're not the full quid.
All we can do is shoot as many as possible and keep shooting them.

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #61 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Not if they already had or sired a litter. That is the item you will not accept because you want to go shooting.

So shoot—don’t pretend you are making the slightest difference to feral cat numbers tho.

Monk - you're not the full quid.
All we can do is shoot as many as possible and keep shooting them.

And you are a cretin.

Did shooting and trapping reduce rabbit numbers? No! Don’t butt in when the adults are talking, idiot!

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #62 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:31pm

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 3:22pm:

How does neutering a cat work any better than shooting it, if you are worried about them already having a litter?

Neutering programs are crueler than shooting a cat, are no better than shooting a cat at dealing with litters they have already had, fail to stop the cat killing endangered animals the way that a bullet does, and are prohibitively expensive.

By any measure you choose, they are worse. So why do you persist with this idiocy?

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That is the item you will not accept

I accept that it is your moronic argument.

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So shoot—don’t pretend you are making the slightest difference to feral cat numbers tho.

Shooting feral cats helps to save endangered species going extinct. Given our ability to hunt a species to extinction ourselves, it would take a complete moron to argue that hunting does not affect numbers of the target animal. For many animals targeted by hunters, careful management is needed to prevent the population crashing.

Again, why do you persist with your idiocy?

Did not work with rabbits. That sort of strategy works only with large animals that are fewer in numbers than cats or rabbits! Hell, foxes are still a big menace to sheep growers and they get hunted too.

Try actually thinking FD, it may hurt the old noggin for a bit but you may, perhaps, learn something.

Nothing I have said means people can’t or shouldn’t hunt feral cats. It just does SFA to reduce feral cat numbers.

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #63 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Not if they already had or sired a litter. That is the item you will not accept because you want to go shooting.

So shoot—don’t pretend you are making the slightest difference to feral cat numbers tho.

Monk - you're not the full quid.
All we can do is shoot as many as possible and keep shooting them.

And you are a cretin.

Did shooting and trapping reduce rabbit numbers? No! Don’t butt in when the adults are talking, idiot!

A female cat can have 3 or 4 litters per year in Australia.
That can equal 10 to 12 more feral cats.
By shooting 1 female you can prevent a dozen more cats within one year.
So every cat you shoot makes a difference.

Don't get me wrong -
I love domestic cats as adorable pets but feral cats are a nasty plague.
They kill billions of native animals every year.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #64 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:48pm What says that the cat you shoot hasn’t already had a litter or two? Softheads and cretins like you are why we have feral cats in the first place!
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #65 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:50pm Here, cretin, read this and >maybe< a small amount of insight might penetrate your VERY thick skull. https://pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/12/CAT001-SOP.pdf
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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #66 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:58pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:50pm:

Here, cretin, read this and >maybe< a small amount of insight might penetrate your VERY thick skull.

https://pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/12/CAT001-SOP.pdf

it says:

Shooting is one of the main methods of control currently used but it is labour intensive and not
considered an effective broad-scale control method. It may be of use in reducing the local number of
feral cats or targeting problem animals.

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #67 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 6:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 4:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 3:22pm:

How does neutering a cat work any better than shooting it, if you are worried about them already having a litter?

Neutering programs are crueler than shooting a cat, are no better than shooting a cat at dealing with litters they have already had, fail to stop the cat killing endangered animals the way that a bullet does, and are prohibitively expensive.

By any measure you choose, they are worse. So why do you persist with this idiocy?

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That is the item you will not accept

I accept that it is your moronic argument.

Quote:

So shoot—don’t pretend you are making the slightest difference to feral cat numbers tho.

Shooting feral cats helps to save endangered species going extinct. Given our ability to hunt a species to extinction ourselves, it would take a complete moron to argue that hunting does not affect numbers of the target animal. For many animals targeted by hunters, careful management is needed to prevent the population crashing.

Again, why do you persist with your idiocy?

Did not work with rabbits. That sort of strategy works only with large animals that are fewer in numbers than cats or rabbits! Hell, foxes are still a big menace to sheep growers and they get hunted too.

Try actually thinking FD, it may hurt the old noggin for a bit but you may, perhaps, learn something.

Nothing I have said means people can’t or shouldn’t hunt feral cats. It just does SFA to reduce feral cat numbers.

It works better with terrestrial predators than grazers because there are far fewer of them. This is high school biology Monk. This is why it is so stupid for you to keep talking about rabbits as if it is relevant to cats.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #68 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 6:54pm Because all the shooting and trapping didn’t make a dent in rabbit numbers. Same with feral cats.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #69 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 7:01pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 6:54pm: Because all the shooting and trapping didn’t make a dent in rabbit numbers. Same with feral cats. Monk - you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself:
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #70 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 7:59pm Really, cretin, have you not read what BarrelOfRot posted? Maps of areas where feral cats are?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #71 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 8:19pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 7:59pm: Really, cretin, have you not read what BarrelOfRot posted? Maps of areas where feral cats are? Monk, get a license and some training - get out there and shoot as many feral cats as possible. Think of all the native wildlife you'll be saving?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #72 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 8:47pm How much wildlife would I be saving? Say that on average every cat I shot had one litter of 4 kittens reaching independence.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95522 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #73 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 8:51pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 8:47pm: How much wildlife would I be saving? Say that on average every cat I shot had one litter of 4 kittens reaching independence. You could save many 1000s of native animals from a cruel death.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #74 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 9:22pm Crap.
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