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Green lunatics want to ban hunting
May 6^th, 2022 at 6:03pm

The inner city soy latte sipping recreational drug taking LGBTQI called the Greens want to ban hunting.

The only species that non aboriginal hunters can legally shoot are the imported ferals like Pigs Goats Foxes Rabbits Camels along with wild dogs and feral cats. Recreational hunters cannot legally shoot native species.

What is the Greens plan for these ferals is it to sing kumbayah and hold hands while passing a joint while these feral species decimate our native species?

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ANIMALS

26. A ban on recreational shooting of all animals, including Australian native water birds.

https://greens.org.au/policies/animals

The Greens will probably try to stop fishing next.

The Greens are a pox on Australia put them last or 2nd last with the Vegans from the Animal Justice Party on every ballot paper.

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Reply #1 - May 8^th, 2022 at 8:56pm

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16. The most humane, effective means available to be used in the control of introduced species, including humane population management methods.

https://greens.org.au/policies/animals

Are the Greens going to stop people laying down 1080 poison baits which take up to 4 days to kill some animals with a slow horrible death?

Is this the end of using 1080 along with introducing viruses to control rabbits?

Perhaps the Greens think like this idiot who was elected by idiots
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Bill to manage stray cats introduced

Independent Member for Sydney Alex Greenwich today introduced a bill to ensure that sponsored trap-neuter-return and management (TNR) programs are lawful.

TNR programs involve desexing animals in a specific group or colony of unowned stray animals and returning them to where they were found where they stop breeding, allowing the population to stabilise.

“In New South Wales there are a number of successful volunteer run programs but they may not be lawful because returning a non-native animal to where it came from could constitute the ‘abandoning’ or liberating’ offences.

The Animal Welfare (Population Control Programs) Bill would ensure that if a TNR program is sponsored by council, the Animal Welfare League NSW, RSPCA NSW or in the case of a national park, the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service, the program is lawful. The Minister must also approve the program in the case of pests outside the Sydney metropolitan area.

“This simple bill merely provides a framework for what already happens, giving volunteers legal certainty and potential access to grants while enabling the collection of data on TNR,” Mr Greenwich said.

https://www.alexgreenwich.com/bill_to_manage_stray_cats_introduced

What would a trap neuter release program cost with an estimated 10-15 million feral cats and over 23 million feral pigs?

Trapping them is not going to be easy the Vet bills for neutering them will cost taxpayers an outrageous amount then these animals will be released to continue driving our native species into extinction.

For smaller critters a .22lr will do the job around $60-80 for 500 rounds. They will be unaware someone has them in their sights and then it's lights out. Most rounds are faster than the speed of sound so they don't even hear it coming.

This lunacy from the inner city soy latte sipping LGBQTI idiots is why the Shooters Fishers and Farmers party rule a large portion of NSW west of the Blue Mountains.

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Reply #3 - May 13^th, 2022 at 10:21am

The neutering is more like a vasectomy than a castration. It may be chemically done—I am not sure. Say a feral cat is trapped/neutered/released. It will continue to protect its territory so feral kittens cannot take it over. When a feral cat is shot kittens will move in, fight for the territory and one will take it over—they will breed faster than you can shoot them.

Similar programs with releasing neutered mosquitoes has resulted in a huge decrease in mosquito populations.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #6 - May 13^th, 2022 at 6:37pm Feral kittens cannot take over a territory so will likely die. Softheads like Booby will prevent other real action on bloody cats.
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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #7 - May 16^th, 2022 at 1:06am

Jovial Monk wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The neutering is more like a vasectomy than a castration. It may be chemically done—I am not sure. Say a feral cat is trapped/neutered/released. It will continue to protect its territory so feral kittens cannot take it over. When a feral cat is shot kittens will move in, fight for the territory and one will take it over—they will breed faster than you can shoot them.

It would be irresponsible to release a feral cat into the wild only idiots would do it.

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Australian wildlife 20 times more likely to encounter deadly feral cats than native predators

Researchers find invasive felines hunt with greater intensity, in broader environments and in greater numbers than equivalent native marsupial predator

Invasive cats, which kill billions of native animals each year, form a triple threat, the study finds, by hunting with greater intensity, in broader environments and in greater numbers than an equivalent native marsupial predator – the spotted-tailed quoll.

Feral cats have a devastating toll on Australia’s wildlife, killing an estimated 2bn animals every year and being implicated in at least 25 mammal extinctions and pressuring a further 124 threatened species.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/06/australian-wildlife-20-times...

If you're setting traps you're required to check the trap every day which involves a massive amount of work.

You're not going to handle a feral cat they're wild animals they will attack you so they have to be sedated at even more expense before removing them from trap.

Shooting is more effective than trapping for some reason cats aren't attracted to baits with traps or 1080 poison they prefer their food fresh so they walk past traps to kill our native species.

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Hunting shown to contribute more to the economy than the wool industry in NSW

Statistics from the NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) showed that in the 2019-20 financial year, hunting was worth more than $1.4 billion to the state's economy.

Wool output in the same year was $1.09 billion, which the Department said was down six per cent year-on-year.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/hunting-economic-benefits/100248526?fbcli...

Thread here- https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1625913228

The greens idiocy in banning hunting will cost the economy billions of dollars and achieve nothing with controlling invasive feral animals.

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #8 - May 16^th, 2022 at 2:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 1:06am:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The neutering is more like a vasectomy than a castration. It may be chemically done—I am not sure. Say a feral cat is trapped/neutered/released. It will continue to protect its territory so feral kittens cannot take it over. When a feral cat is shot kittens will move in, fight for the territory and one will take it over—they will breed faster than you can shoot them.

It would be irresponsible to release a feral cat into the wild only idiots would do it.

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Australian wildlife 20 times more likely to encounter deadly feral cats than native predators

Researchers find invasive felines hunt with greater intensity, in broader environments and in greater numbers than equivalent native marsupial predator

Invasive cats, which kill billions of native animals each year, form a triple threat, the study finds, by hunting with greater intensity, in broader environments and in greater numbers than an equivalent native marsupial predator – the spotted-tailed quoll.

Feral cats have a devastating toll on Australia’s wildlife, killing an estimated 2bn animals every year and being implicated in at least 25 mammal extinctions and pressuring a further 124 threatened species.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/06/australian-wildlife-20-times...

If you're setting traps you're required to check the trap every day which involves a massive amount of work.

You're not going to handle a feral cat they're wild animals they will attack you so they have to be sedated at even more expense before removing them from trap.

Shooting is more effective than trapping for some reason cats aren't attracted to baits with traps or 1080 poison they prefer their food fresh so they walk past traps to kill our native species.

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Hunting shown to contribute more to the economy than the wool industry in NSW

Statistics from the NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) showed that in the 2019-20 financial year, hunting was worth more than $1.4 billion to the state's economy.

Wool output in the same year was $1.09 billion, which the Department said was down six per cent year-on-year.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/hunting-economic-benefits/100248526?fbcli...

Thread here- https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1625913228

The greens idiocy in banning hunting will cost the economy billions of dollars and achieve nothing with controlling invasive feral animals.

I guess idiots can’t grasp how the neutering would reduce cat numbers.

Shooting can’t make a dent in the feral cat population.

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Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting
Reply #9 - May 17^th, 2022 at 6:19pm

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I guess idiots can’t grasp how the neutering would reduce cat numbers.

The policy would increase feral cat numbers.

A neutered cat still kills native animals.

Farmers are not going to bring in as many cats for neutering as they would otherwise have killed. They will just stop dealing with feral cats, and their population will be out of control.

It is an expensive white elephant that completely misses the point of killing feral cats.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Green lunatics want to ban hunting Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2022 at 12:44am You are not that stupid that you think shooting reduces feral cat numbers do you? If every female cat shot has had a litter, say 4 kittens then shooting that cat still leaves an increase of 4 feral cats. Young cats will fight to take over that territory and nothing is gained.
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Reply #11 - May 18^th, 2022 at 6:01am

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You are not that stupid that you think shooting reduces feral cat numbers do you?

Sure it does. But there is more than one way to kill a cat.

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If every female cat shot has had a litter, say 4 kittens then shooting that cat still leaves an increase of 4 feral cats.

Seriously Monk, leave it to the people who know what they are talking about.

https://bioone.org/journals/wildlife-research/volume-47/issue-7-8/WR20035/Is-cat
-hunting-by-Indigenous-tracking-experts-an-effective-way/10.1071/WR20035.short

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Key results. In all, 130 cats were removed from the Kiwirrkurra IPA from 2014 to 2019. Hunts took an average of 62 min to complete and a team of four hunters could catch up to four cats in a single day. Although cats still occurred throughout the hunting zone, we found that cat detections at track plots were less likely in the areas where cats were hunted. Long-term data suggest that threatened species have persisted better in areas where there is an active presence of hunters.

Monk, why should we should let entire species go extinct, just because you think cats are cute?

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Reply #12 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm

If every cat sired or bore a litter than shooting that cat does not reduce the number of feral cats.

You just went WAY down in my estimation of your intelligence—I do not think cats are cute, I leave that crap to softheads like you and Booby.

Cats have no place in Australia. Desex all domestic cats, prevent breeding of the damned things and apply a nuanced policy to eradicating feral cats. Just shooting SOME damn cats is pointless, is done for the gratification of meatheads like BarrelOfRot.

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Reply #13 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:19pm:

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I guess idiots can’t grasp how the neutering would reduce cat numbers.

The policy would increase feral cat numbers.

A neutered cat still kills native animals.

Farmers are not going to bring in as many cats for neutering as they would otherwise have killed. They will just stop dealing with feral cats, and their population will be out of control.

It is an expensive white elephant that completely misses the point of killing feral cats.

I think feral cats should be shot but
I wonder if shooting them has caused the mouse plagues?

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Reply #14 - May 18^th, 2022 at 8:51pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

If every cat sired or bore a litter than shooting that cat does not reduce the number of feral cats.

You just went WAY down in my estimation of your intelligence—I do not think cats are cute, I leave that crap to softheads like you and Booby.

Cats have no place in Australia. Desex all domestic cats, prevent breeding of the damned things and apply a nuanced policy to eradicating feral cats. Just shooting SOME damn cats is pointless, is done for the gratification of meatheads like BarrelOfRot.

If every female cat bore a litter, we would soon be 6 feet deep in cats Monk.

Does reality ever enter into your argument?

https://bioone.org/journals/wildlife-research/volume-47/issue-7-8/WR20035/Is-cat

-hunting-by-Indigenous-tracking-experts-an-effective-way/10.1071/WR20035.short

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Key results. In all, 130 cats were removed from the Kiwirrkurra IPA from 2014 to 2019. Hunts took an average of 62 min to complete and a team of four hunters could catch up to four cats in a single day. Although cats still occurred throughout the hunting zone, we found that cat detections at track plots were less likely in the areas where cats were hunted. Long-term data suggest that threatened species have persisted better in areas where there is an active presence of hunters.

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I wonder if shooting them has caused the mouse plagues?

I doubt it. Rodent populations basically fluctuate with food levels. It was the wet weather that lead to the plague. Lots of grass seed etc for them to eat. We have plenty of predators snapping them up, but unless the plague goes on for long enough for them to breed up, it will be a food shortage that brings it to an end.

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