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Reply #15 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 10:44pm

0ktema wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 10:35pm:

Certainly in the mechanics of the cosmos there are many active forces.

And then we have Consciousness itself, the infinite field in which everything manifest arises.
Consciousness is a whole other kettle slippery of fish when it comes to definition. Transcendental Consciousness, All Pervading Love Bliss, Divine Radiance, Enlightenment, God - when you stop and feel the Mystery of it, it seems a lot like Love to me.

“understanding is love’s other name,” - Thich Nhat Hanh

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"God is love". A sacred text named Kanda Guru Kavasa quotes, " Oh holy Great flame, Grant me with love.. You said the spreading love is Para Brahma, For the thing which is everywhere is only Love, And Love is the only thing which is like a soul within us, Love is Kumara, Love is Kanda" This simply means Love is God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_love

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The brahmavihārās (sublime attitudes, lit. "abodes of brahma") are a series of four Buddhist virtues and the meditation practices made to cultivate them. They are also known as the four immeasurables.

The Brahma-viharas are:

1: loving-kindness or benevolence (maitrī/mettā)
2: compassion (karuṇā)
3: empathetic joy (muditā)
4: equanimity (upekṣā/upekkhā)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara

Yes. The highest virtues to strive to attain in Buddhism; but not from a loving god or loving cosmos.

Those virtues must be cultivated from within.

The concept of consciousness (whatever it is) has been hijacked (as has quantum mechanics), in the quasi-religions within Christo-centric cultures, as proof that a loving (and unifying) god exists and/or that the cosmos, being one (including all within itself, including itself!!), is also necessarily loving.

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Re: In the case of God versus Reason.
Reply #16 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 11:59pm

Not from a loving god or loving cosmos, not from any separate one at all. Through the virtue of insight, practice and contemplation you may realize your own very nature to be the very nature of consciousness itself. Ever arising radiant and bright, you awaken from the dreamed sense of separate self.

I guess we might disagree on the point that we arise (and in-fact all manifest existence arises) in a universal field of conscious light.

There are worse things disagreed about ... lol

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"We Are Consciousness Itself"

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Re: In the case of God versus Reason.
Reply #17 - May 4^th, 2022 at 6:25am

0ktema wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 11:59pm:

Not from a loving god or loving cosmos, not from any separate one at all. Through the virtue of insight, practice and contemplation you may realize your own very nature to be the very nature of consciousness itself. Ever arising radiant and bright, you awaken from the dreamed sense of separate self.

I guess we might disagree on the point that we arise (and in-fact all manifest existence arises) in a universal field of conscious light.

There are worse things disagreed about ... lol

Well, not so much a disagreement as a matter of a differing perspective.

Metaphorical language that evokes strong psychic imagery can trigger deep insights towards perceiving truth; poets and songwriters exploit this linguistic phenomenon. That's not a bad thing.

What we should be wary of is that (a) we tend to be egocentric (in that each of us tends to feel we are at the centre of the universe); and (b) we also tend to be anthropocentric (in that we tend to see the human in the animal and the inanimate).

Given those caveats, (particularly in Christo-centric cultures), it's an easy step to presume that a god and/or the cosmos is necessarily loving and has a positive interest in our lives; as if we are an expression of the universe's sole reason or highest purpose for existing.

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Reply #18 - May 5^th, 2022 at 2:48pm

I do not think any human being can be totally rational no more so than any chimpanzee.

Nor does that justify our ape instincts of emotion to try to exterminate our rationality.

Even through sophisticated forms of spirituality.

Poetry and mathematics, that is the human mind.

It is a constant war, in every human mind.

And in the end, it will be put to peace by the dominance of algorithms and robotics.

AI.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10483 Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #19 - May 5^th, 2022 at 4:09pm Jake Winker Frogen wrote on May 5^th, 2022 at 2:48pm: I do not think any human being can be totally rational no more so than any chimpanzee. Most of us are exponentially more capable of rationality than chimpanzees.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #20 - May 6^th, 2022 at 4:42pm Personally, my mind ping pong ball bounces between transcendence and simple material meat grinding life and death. From my personal experience, I could not offer an honest opinion on which one is true?
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #21 - May 6^th, 2022 at 4:44pm And I have searched long and hard for the answers. Maybe there are none?
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #22 - May 6^th, 2022 at 4:45pm As for chimpanzees, they are far more like us, and in our DNA, than you seem to realize.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #23 - May 6^th, 2022 at 4:49pm We human apes are not that long down from the trees. Personally, I want to go back up.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #24 - May 6^th, 2022 at 4:51pm The birdsong is beautiful up there.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10483 Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #25 - May 6^th, 2022 at 5:20pm Jake Winker Frogen wrote on May 6^th, 2022 at 4:44pm: And I have searched long and hard for the answers. Maybe there are none? Those who look don't see. Those who see don't look - The book of Woo-Woo.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #26 - May 6^th, 2022 at 5:52pm And kooo chou chee too too.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #27 - May 6^th, 2022 at 5:56pm Life is a breath. Breathe in despair, breathe out laughter.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: In the case of God versus Reason. Reply #28 - May 6^th, 2022 at 5:56pm Or is the other way around? I forget sometimes.
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Re: In the case of God versus Reason.
Reply #29 - May 11^th, 2022 at 2:17pm

As I have posted before this, the trichotomy of Godist-Agnostic-Atheist is an imposition of one or all of those perspectives, mainly the the Godfreaks, whatever religion to which they belong.
There is at least a fourth perspective, and perhaps more, but if you insist on only these three perspectives, don't waste your time looking for enlightenment.

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