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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1110 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:21am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:15am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:12am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:08am:

Great shot! Right on the money..... you can't expect bigots to follow that logical argument... they don't want to....

I love when right wing filth call me a bigot. They don't know what it means, but they know they were called it so it MUST be bad....

But trans "women" know they are real women, dumb rock......
They can't say WHAT a woman is or what it is like to be a woman rather than a man - but they KNOW they are real women".

They can define a woman. I've defined a woman. The issue is you DON'T CARE

Here are some facts

Some people are trans
We are not hurting them anymore
They are not hurting you

Why are you crying so much about them?

Some people are trans
We are not hurting them anymore
They are not hurting you
They are not real women
I don't have to believe them when they say they are real women
They don't have to call me any names just because they are not real women
They don't have to vilify real women who see them as men
They don't have to vilify men who will not treat them as real women
And so on.

Lots of 'don't have tos'.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1111 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:22am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:17am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am:

Seriously? And how precisely do you know that?

How do you know they are not?

I don't have to - you made the assertion.... you're the one trying to pushy a turd uphill here... I'm laughing, observing and asking the question.... this is like playing chess with pigeons....

How do you know that?

Are you even capable of giving a straight answer? Clearly you don't know that at all......

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1112 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:23am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:19am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:18am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:12am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:08am:

Great shot! Right on the money..... you can't expect bigots to follow that logical argument... they don't want to....

I love when right wing filth call me a bigot. They don't know what it means, but they know they were called it so it MUST be bad....

That's exactly what I mean - you are a narrow-minded, self-centred, bigoted clown who has no idea, and you have nothing to offer but prejudices and insults.

That's why you are treated like the filth you are.

Lift you game, troll ...

Who am I bigoted against? Idiots who hate strangers for things they can't control? It's not bigotry if I hate you based on your actions.

Laughable - my point proven! You're the one pushing the turd uphill - nobody else gave a damn about it and you until you arrived here with your vitriol and insanity.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1113 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:23am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:20am:

So after all these years of fierce and relentless hand-to-hand, house-to-house fighting and devastated civilisations - women are actually different to men? Not the same at all?

Well - who'd 've thunk that?

So all the arguments of the 'feminists' are moot after all this destruction? About as smart as Putin invading Ukraine....

Yes, it's fair to say that feminists insisted that all gender is a social construct but we now realise that is not true. Gender identity is inate, what feminists were upset about were gender roles in society, which are indeed arbitrary.

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Reply #1114 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:25am

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am:

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:36am:

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 8:23am:

What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.

Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.

And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?

I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Define the word “woman.” Reply #1115 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:26am Ah, well - I guess that means they won't be competing with Women in swimming for a start.... them's the breaks..... separate but equal, no? Running, football, wrestling, weight-lifting, boxing next? Retrospective stripping of titles? Bring On The Restoration.....
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1116 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:26am

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:25am:

I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?

I think the real issue is the starting point of assuming women are all the same and the definition of 'woman' is something diferent to 'people who know they are women'. Some women are human garbage, Candace Owens for example. She is nothing like, say, AOC, but both are women.

Women are people. they can be different. The idea of a definition that goes beyond gender identity is stupid

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1117 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:27am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:26am:

Ah, well - I guess that means they won't be competing with Women in swimming for a start.... them's the breaks..... separate but equal, no?

Running, football, wrestling, weight-lifting, boxing next? Retrospective stripping of titles?

Bring On The Restoration.....

The decision about trans women swimming will be reversed. It's also not that important, TBH. You know it, you're using it as a smoke screen to hate trans girls

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1118 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:35am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:20am:

So after all these years of fierce and relentless hand-to-hand, house-to-house fighting and devastated civilisations - women are actually different to men? Not the same at all?

Well - who'd 've thunk that?

So all the arguments of the 'feminists' are moot after all this destruction? About as smart as Putin invading Ukraine....

Yes, it's fair to say that feminists insisted that all gender is a social construct but we now realise that is not true. Gender identity is inate, what feminists were upset about were gender roles in society, which are indeed arbitrary.

Gender identity is a theory - there are zero quantitative sets of data to prove anything... it's all in the mind...

'Gender roles in society' are the result of ............ gender differences....... how many women bricklayers are there? How many women have even applied for the Parachute Regiment?

In their hearts of hearts they know, you see, that they are fundamentally unsuited for certain things.... now all that needs to be done is that they must be forced to give equal opportunity to those men who do not wish to pursue such occupations or would like a softer job in life...

Fair's fair, innit?

Are you prepared to say that men are not suited to nursing, public service, banking and so forth?

You see - men can do all the jobs - women some of them..... easy as pie.

Nature sucks like that.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1119 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:37am

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am:

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:36am:

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 8:23am:

What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.

Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.

And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?

I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?

So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?

Really??

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1120 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:38am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:35am:

Gender identity is a theory - there are zero quantitative sets of data to prove anything... it's all in the mind...

'Gender roles in society' are the result of ............ gender differences....... how many women bricklayers are there? How many women have even applied for the Parachute Regiment?

In their hearts of hearts they know, you see, that they are fundamentally unsuited for certain things.... now all that needs to be done is that they must be forced to give equal opportunity to those men who do not wish to pursue such occupations or would like a softer job in life...

Fair's fair, innit?

Are you prepared to say that men are not suited to nursing, public service, banking and so forth?

You see - men can do all the jobs - women some of them..... easy as pie.

Nature sucks like that.

Literally none of this makes sense, old man. No one is suggesting men or women are unsuited to jobs. Gender identity is still scientific fact. Not least, you have literally no other explanation for why some people with a penis know they are women

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1121 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:38am

So now mothra knows all about men who cannot understand what a woman thinks and how, and now despite the former broad comment on 'knowing how a woman feels' Lefty says that not all women are the same...

Well - who'd 've thunk that?

So how does Lefty KNOW?

Like mothra I'd consider myself a fair judge of what women are.. same as her with men ... by the same standard!!

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Reply #1122 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:39am

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:37am:

So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?

Really??

I would suggest that is almost certainly true. Decent people tend to be in famiies of decent people. If I am not going to bugger a woman, why do I care if she has a cock?

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Reply #1123 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:39am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:38am:

So now mothra knows all about men who cannot understand what a woman thinks and how, and now despite the former broad comment on 'knowing how a woman feels' Lefty says that not all women are the same...

Well - who'd 've thunk that?

So how does Lefty KNOW?

Like mothra I'd consider myself a fair judge of what women are.. same as her with men ... by the same standard!!

You appear to be mentally incompetent.

Women are not all the same in many ways. But they are all women. Learn to read.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Define the word “woman.” Reply #1124 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:40am When in doubt - resort to "I feel" .....(empathise)...... well... sadly for that argument - we all feel...... and nobody ever fully agrees, so feeling is just feeling, OK? The door is swinging shut on this argument...
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