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Reply #285 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 9:21am
 
Technological breakthroughs come in all shapes and sizes. But Big Government, properly deployed, is an engine for technological change, especially if it works in partnership with lots of smart scientists and engineers.

Former Labor leader and long-time defence minister Kim Beazley even drolly argued there was one irrefutable argument for socialist economic development – the Pentagon.
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Reply #286 - Feb 3rd, 2025 at 1:38pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 3rd, 2025 at 7:04am:
He's as witty as a T-square


Your not.
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Reply #287 - Feb 5th, 2025 at 10:15am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2025 at 9:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2025 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:31pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:13pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:03pm:
Socialism is a political failure.
Socialism is an entertainment success.

Something lost is something gained dude.
Germany failed at military, politics, religion and all things Right.
But succeeds now with all things Left like Music, Sport and great Restaurants. Wink


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Socialism is a political failure.


Yet Capitalism use it to bail the system out every time that capitalism fails.

The best societies manage to get a good blend of the two.


Well done, ducky!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/9PfeY8SJNkcAAAAd/duck-wiggle.gif


Did that Duck just drop out a couple of new relatives for your family?

You are not trying to be witty, are you, duckwit? Or are you?


Well,  you ignored his argument, preferring  to resort to an ad hominem involving something about ducks - a Frank specialty.

[And  "If you can't beat them, join them"....looks  like ducks have relatives too..]

Here is Dnarever's  argument again, just in case you deign to address it (....cough):

" Yet Capitalism use it to bail the system out every time that capitalism fails.

The best societies manage to get a good blend of the two.". 
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Reply #288 - Feb 5th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
As many of you know I am a centralist, with a touch of left leaning, especially when it comes to healthcare, education and equal rights.   I value objective facts, empathy and collectivism when in comes to make decisions about where a country should go.    I believe that this way would make better decisions than otherwise reactionary, and often, a touch selfish right wing ideology and protectionism.
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Reply #289 - Nov 26th, 2025 at 9:56am
 
“Toutes choses sont dites déjà, mais comme personne n’écoute, il faut toujours recommencer”: everything has already been said, but since no one listens, it is necessary to say it again.

Really, the socialist impulse is a hardy perennial. How can something so frequently and so thoroughly discredited persist in the hearts of men? Some think it has something to do with the gullibility of the human animal, some (but we repeat ourselves) with the persistence of the utopian dream. We suspect there are many explanations, of which the raw desire for power is an unedifying but also underrated aspect. We also favor the explanatory power of original sin, which has profound psychological as well as theological implication for many of the more farcical aspects of human experience. What is more farcical than socialism?

At any rate, the career of socialism is a powerful argument for the phenomenon of life after death. Remember: the death of socialism in the United States (except on college campuses) had been solemnly pronounced over and over during the 1980s and 1990s. In the past several years, however, we have had multiple sightings of the beast. Zohran Mamdani is only a particularly flagrant contemporary presentation.

Given the prevalence among the tender-hearted of socialist fantasy, on the one hand, and animus toward the free market, on the other, we thought it might be useful to say a few words in defense of the latter. In The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith noted the paradox, or seeming paradox, of the free market: that the more individuals were left free to follow their own ends, the more their activities were “led by an invisible hand to promote” ends that aided the common good.

Private pursuits conduced to public goods—that is the beneficent alchemy of the free market. (We forbear to say “capitalism” because the term, though not coined by Marx, was popularized by him as a synonym for “exploitation,” when in fact its effect has been almost wholly about liberation.) In The Road to Serfdom and other works, Friedrich Hayek expanded on Smith’s fundamental insight, pointing out that the spontaneous order created and maintained by competitive market forces leads to greater prosperity than a planned economy.

The sentimentalist cannot wrap his mind, or his heart, around that datum. He (or she) cannot understand why “society” should not favor “cooperation” (a pleasing-sounding word) over “competition” (much harsher), since in any competition there are losers, which is bad, and winners, which may be even worse. The unhappy truth is that socialism is a version of sentimentality.
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No mere empirical observation, it seems—let it be repeated innumerable times—can spoil the pleasures of socialist sentimentality. This unworldliness is tied to another common trait of intellectuals: their contempt for money and the world of commerce. The socialist intellectual, especially the well-heeled one, eschews the profit motive as something beneath his dignity. He recommends instead increased government control of the economy. He feels, Hayek notes, that “to employ a hundred people is . . . exploitation, but to command the same number [is] honorable.”
The really frightening question that wholesale economic planning raises is not whether we are free to pursue our most important ends, but who determines what those “most important ends” are to be.Is it battling “climate change”? Abolishing “racism”? Forbidding gas stoves or air conditioning? “Whoever,” Hayek notes, “has sole control of the means must also determine which ends are to be served, which values are to be rated higher and which lower—in short, what men should believe and strive for.” History reminds us that more government intervention and control means higher taxes, greater inefficiency, and economic stagnation.
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