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Oct 26th, 2021 at 5:02pm
 
LOTS of lovely info on this soon!

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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 5:04pm
 
This: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1634854689 is fine as far as it goes but LOTS MORE INFO TO COME!
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Domestication of the dog

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Researchers chasing the origin of modern dogs find that canines were domesticated once, between 20,000 and 40,000 years ago.


Rather astounding to me, I would have thought there would have been several locations where that happened—wolves, especially the lowest in a pack hierarchy deciding to hang around man’s settlement, feeding off his midden heaps and whatever it could steal. What would man gain? Warning of the approach of big predators/other humans? Killing of pests (rats!) by the wolf living around the human settlement?

One difference between dogs and wolves: wolves do not wag their tails. Seems this is a communications technique dogs developed in their devolution (smaller teeth, smaller brain—doesn’t take much brain to sneak up on a discarded bone!) from wolf. Yet wolves and dogs can interbreed—do some searching on “wolfdogs.”

It was not just domestication—dogs are not domesticated wolves in the way horses are domesticated horses—but devolution as well.

The life of the lowest wolf in a pack hierarchy was not easy—wolves above it in the hierarchy tease and nip the low wolf which would also be the last to eat, etc. Anyway:

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The results, published on 18 July in Nature Communications1, push back against a controversial 2016 study that suggested dogs were domesticated twice. The latest analysis also add weight to previous research that moves the timing of domestication back as far as 40,000 years ago.

Everyone has their own idea about where and when dogs originated, says Krishna Veeramah, a palaeogeneticist at Stony Brook University in New York and an author on the latest study. “Archaeologists suggest one and geneticists suggest another — people are always getting very different answers.”

Zeroing in on a precise time and location for dog domestication has long been challenging because of seemingly contradictory or incomplete evidence. A 14,700-year-old jawbone is the oldest undisputed fossil from a domesticated dog (Canis lupus familiaris), but dog-like remains date back as far as 35,000 years ago. Genetic data show that the ancestors of all modern dogs split into two populations: one that gave rise to East Asian breeds and another that would become modern European, South Asian, Central Asian and African dogs. Yet researchers still can’t pin down when this split occurred. And they can’t agree on whether dogs were domesticated once or twice.


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Veeramah and his colleagues studied genomes from Neolithic dog fossils found in different parts of Germany — one from the start of the period, 7,000 years ago, and one from 4,700 years ago. They also looked at data from a 5,000-year-old dog specimen found in Ireland. The team then compared these ancient genome sequences with genetic data from 5,649 canids, including modern dogs and wolves.

The researchers estimate that dogs and wolves diverged genetically between 36,900 and 41,500 years ago, and that eastern and western dogs split 17,500–23,900 years ago. Because domestication had to have happened between those events, the team puts it somewhere from 20,000 to 40,000 years ago.

. . . .The authors of the latest work acknowledge that their study won’t settle the debate over when and where man’s best friend originated. “More ancient dog DNA from genomes will ultimately solve the problem,” Veeramah says.

“If we can add in other ancient samples from all around the world, it'll give us a more comprehensive picture of population history and likely dog origins,” says Adam Boyko, a geneticist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. But we need diverse samples not just geographically, but also through time, says Boyko, who is compiling a modern dog genetic database from canines all over the world.

. . . .“Dogs and humans have an important history together,” [Veeramah] says.


https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.22320
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Domestication of horses


Brute beast power was mankind’s first major extension of his muscles (with simple machines like he lever and inclined plane.) Oxen can give brute power but horses helped mankind conquer distance, which an oxcart hardly gives you e.g. the Mongol Golden Horde that swept out of Mongolia into Eastern Europe.

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Ancient DNA points to origins of modern domestic horses

Genetic analysis shows that the ancestors of all modern horses lived in the Western Eurasian steppes more than 4,000 years ago.


Archaeologists have used ancient DNA samples to identify the genetic homeland of modern horses, where the animals were first domesticated around 4,200 years ago. According to a study published in Nature on 20 October1, modern domestic horses probably originated on the steppes around the Volga and Don rivers, now part of Russia, before spreading across Eurasia, ultimately replacing all pre-existing horse lineages.

“This study has solved a massive mystery, and also fundamentally altered our view of some of the most significant human migrations in prehistory,” says Alan Outram, a bioarchaeologist at the University of Exeter, UK, and a co-author of the work.

Horses shaped much of human development by revolutionizing transport, communication and warfare. But the origins of domestic horses have long been debated because, unlike with other livestock, such as cattle, it is difficult to tell whether bones and other remains belong to domestic horses or wild ones. “Previous work had to be built on indirect evidence, such as killing patterns, tooth damage, traces of consumption of horse milk, symbolic evidence and more,” says lead author Ludovic Orlando, a molecular archaeologist at Paul Sabatier University in Toulouse, France.



As I said in the post about the domestication of dogs, horses didn’t change nearly as much as dogs did in their domestication from wolves. Horse milk was drunk—the Mongols drank fermented mares’ milk:

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Kumis is made by fermenting raw unpasteurized mare's milk over the course of hours or days, often while stirring or churning. (The physical agitation has similarities to making butter). During the fermentation, lactobacilli bacteria acidify the milk, and yeasts turn it into a carbonated and mildly alcoholic drink.

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After collecting genomes from bone specimens from around the various places horses were thought to first have been domesticated:

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The researchers were able to get complete genome sequences from a subset of around 270 samples. They used radiocarbon dating to determine the ages of samples, and gathered information from field archaeology for cultural context. This allowed them to track various horse populations before, during and after domestication. They found that until around 4,200 years ago, many distinct horse populations inhabited various regions of Eurasia.

“As these populations were differentiated genetically, we could then identify the lineage from which the genetic variation present in modern domestic horses expanded,” says Orlando.

The analysis found that horses with the modern domestic DNA profile lived in the Western Eurasian steppes, especially the Volga–Don region, from the sixth to the third millennia BC. “Populations with modern domestic horse ancestry were marginal at best elsewhere,” says Orlando.


Sixth to third millenia BC—a hell of a lot later than the domestication of dogs! Of course, horses had no reason to hang around human settlements, the midden heaps had nothing for horses. And horses are fast, hard to capture—probably need a trap, stampede the horse(s) into it, kill and eat the grown horses and capture the foals could be one way it can be done (a fictional account of how this could have been done is in The Valley of Horses by Jean M. Auel)

Yet horses provide so much, brute muscle power and by riding horses you could travel faster and harnessing horses to a cart transport was revolutionised.

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By around 2200–2000 BC, these horses had appeared outside the Western Eurasian steppes — first reaching Anatolia, the lower Danube, Bohemia and Central Asia, and then spreading across Eurasia, replacing all other local horse populations by about 1500 to 1000 BC. “We found that around 4,200 years ago, the horse reproductive pool dramatically expanded, indicating that this was when past breeders started to multiply such horses in large numbers to supply increasing demands for horse-based mobility,” says Orlando. Humans probably rode on horses’ backs before the invention of horse-drawn vehicles: the first spoke-wheeled chariots emerged around 2,000–1,800 BC.

Human migration

The findings also challenge previously held ideas about the role of horses in some early human migrations. Analyses of ancient human genomes have revealed massive migrations from the Western Eurasian steppes into Europe during the third millennium BC, associated with a culture known as the Yamnaya. These people are thought to have helped to spread Indo-European languages into Europe, and have often been assumed to have ridden horses. “If these numerous people came with as many horses, then we should expect an equivalent shift in the horse ancestry profile,” says Orlando. But the analysis suggests that during this time, there were few domestic-horse ancestors outside the Western Eurasian steppes. This would rule out scenarios in which horses played a part in Yamnaya migration and in the initial spread of Indo-European languages.

“This radically changes our understanding of mass human movements from the steppe into western Europe in the Bronze Age,” says Outram. “It seems that those migrations were not, as had been commonly believed, facilitated by domestic horses.”


Weird—since the Western steppes were where horses were first domesticated by 3000BC?

What did domestication do to horse anatomy and genotype?

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“Two variants of the GSDMC and ZFPM1 genes were selected early on during the domestication process, likely facilitating taming, increasing stress resilience and providing horses with a stronger back,” says Orlando. “These qualities may explain why the new horse type had such a global success.”


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02858-z
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Domestication of the pig


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Pigs (Sus scrofa) were first domesticated between 8,500 and 8,000 cal BC in the Near East, from where they were subsequently brought into Europe by agriculturalists. Soon after the arrival of the first domestic pigs in northern Europe (~4500 BC), farmers are thought to have started to incorporate local wild boars into their swine herds. This husbandry strategy ultimately resulted in the domestication of European wild boars. Here, we set out to provide a more precise geographic and temporal framework of the early management of suid populations in northern Europe, drawing upon mitochondrial DNA haplotype data from 116 Neolithic Sus specimens. We developed a quantitative mathematical model tracing the haplotypes of the domestic pigs back to their most likely geographic origin. Our modelling results suggest that, between 5000 and 4000 BC, almost all matrilines in the north originated from domesticated animals from the south of central Europe. In the following period (4000–3000 BC), an estimated 78–100% of domesticates in the north were of northern matrilineal origin, largely from local wild boars. These findings point towards a dramatic change in suid management strategies taking place throughout south-central and northern Europe after 4000 BC.


https://www.nature.com/articles/srep44550

Of course, pigs are no longer eaten in the Near East—Islam and Judaism both prohibiting their deluded followers from eating pork by declaring it haram. Fancy missing out on pork, ham and, especially, bacon!

Then again, a lot of people do miss out on bacon etc by buying watery bacon from a supermarket, yuck!
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Domestication of cattle



Hmmmm thought I had found a good paper—too East Asia focussed.

Will keep looking.


So—domestication of dogs, horses, pigs and cattle.

One animal group of importance missing so far from Man playing god with his fellow creatures. Anybody know what that is? Think about it over your breakfast.
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Nobody. . . . . . ?
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Bingo! The domestication of chickens and other poultry!

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Tomorrow I will do a nice post about that very subject. Today I am having a day off.
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