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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #15 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 12:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 8:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 7:21am:

Two thieves steal a car.

No chance of ever being caught as the cops are very thin these days, replaced by speed cameras for cash generation.

What's wrong with police departments having cash? Undecided

It doesn't go to police departments - it goes into the Slush Fund = Consolidated Revenue.... but you know that.

And what's wrong with that?

Where the money goes......................... easy answer....

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Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:33am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 12:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 8:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 7:21am:

Two thieves steal a car.

No chance of ever being caught as the cops are very thin these days, replaced by speed cameras for cash generation.

What's wrong with police departments having cash? Undecided

It doesn't go to police departments - it goes into the Slush Fund = Consolidated Revenue.... but you know that.

And what's wrong with that?

Where the money goes......................... easy answer....

And where is that, exactly?

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #18 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:14am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 7:02pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Yes - vigilante crime fighters are not accepted by society.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTkzNDY5NTg5MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzI4NzM1...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-25/nsw-sydney-driver-pleads-not-guilty-after...

Mr Kabbara is facing five charges, including two counts of dangerous driving occasioning death, two counts of negligent driving and two counts of dangerous driving occasioning grievous bodily harm.

His lawyer Fadi Abbas said his client was innocent and would be fighting the charges but would not comment on his condition when he was swamped by reporters leaving Liverpool Court.

Flowers, candles, and photographs of the boys were placed at the scene of the crash which was described by emergency services as "the worst they had ever seen".

At the time, Inspector Andrew Keshwan, duty operations manager for NSW Ambulance said: "We urge the public to take care when getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle especially in these horrendous conditions."

"Our hearts go out to the friends and families affected by this tragic event."

And more here:

https://www.change.org/p/nsw-police-have-all-criminal-charges-against-mazen-kabb...

At the end of the day, Mr Kabbara did not force these teenagers to steal his car, he did not force them to exceed the speed limit, in no way shape or form did he intend for them to crash, all of the results that have come out of that night had nothing to do with Mr Kabbara, besides the fact that it was his car that was stolen by these delinquents, and he did what any car enthusiast would have done.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...

A stolen car is NOT worth someone's life - yes, even if they're
the one(s) who stole the car.

I'd rather lose my car than have some kid killed in a pursuit
cos he stole it.

That vigilante didn't think so.

He didn't think - full-stop.

Just saw a chance to be a 'hero'.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #19 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #20 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:38am

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

Not deserving to die is not the same as dying of your own actions, which you know are illegal.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #21 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:54am

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

Grand theft auto is not a minor crime.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #22 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 2:16pm

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

What you don't quite get is;

Joy riders/thieves, put both themselves and the general motoring public at great risk.
How many times have you heard about some thief or joy rider killing innocent drivers through their actions.
By simply stealing the car, they have demonstrated that they have no care for the car, other drivers or their passengers.

Car thieves are right up there with terrorists and should be treated accordingly.
It should bring with it a mandatory gaol term and serious repatriation, to be paid to the person who's car was stolen.

When we were younger, living in Sydney (late 70s early 80s) car theft was so common it was almost expected.
The cars were easier to get into and easier to start.
I knew of several apprentices at TAFE who used to install razor blades under the dash, so anyone reaching up there would be nicely sliced and diced.
We all had a good chuckle at TAFE one day when one of the students showed us the results of such misguided attempt to steal his car.
There was a considerable quantity of claret all over the inside.

Another apprentice was given his grandfather's car when he died.
A week later it was stolen and wrapped around a pole, the thief had to be cut out, in pieces.
The apprentice sent the family a thank you note for the death of their worthless son.

I have no time for thieves.
I have less time for car thieves.
It's a good outcome if they kill themselves when they write off the car.
At least you know who to send the bill to.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #23 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 6:35pm

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

Faaaark off ... what crap.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #24 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:50pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 6:35pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 11:16am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 5:05am:

Kat wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

Police kill people, [highlight]usually innocent people, or those who've committed
relatively minor crimes, [/highlight]in cowboy-style pursuits EVERY DAY.

They've got a shytload of unmitigated gall to charge this bloke while
they endlessly try to justify themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING!

Innocent people don't do runners for Police to pursue them ..... they pull over.

The only thing that has a semblance of truth is that Police do exactly the same thing as this bloke has done .... the only difference is he's not a copper and it's a coppers job.

Well, no, actually.

It's ALL true.

And the victims, even if guilty of some minor or petty crime or traffic
infringement, do NOT deserve to die simply because they flee.

Faaaark off ... what crap.

Not crap - reality.

Unless you live in (or WANT to live in) some dystopian fascist society.

I do not, and I will ALWAYS oppose those who do.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95495 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should be given an award Reply #25 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:55pm Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:50pm: Not crap - reality. Unless you live in (or WANT to live in) some dystopian fascist society. I do not, and I will ALWAYS oppose those who do. How about a society with law and order? - where 2 punks don't steal your car.
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Reply #26 - Oct 21^st, 2021 at 8:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:55pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:50pm:

Not crap - reality.

Unless you live in (or WANT to live in) some dystopian fascist society.

I do not, and I will ALWAYS oppose those who do.

How about a society with law and order? -
where 2 punks don't steal your car.

it's called utopia.

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Re: Should be given an award
Reply #27 - Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 12:25am

NSW Police are under orders to discontinue high speed dangerous chases - their controller says when to cease a chase - doesn't stop the idiots who steal cars etc from crashing... they just go on their merry way

(the wicked flee when none pursue - pinched that from True Grit)

until their sudden stop around a pole or a tree or something.

Young idiot here, with a very bad driving rep, tried to overtake a truck on the two lane bridge and ended up smashing into the concrete wall at the end.. burst into flames - nobody was chasing him, but two cops stopped for their dinner at the Chinese takeaway ran to try to save him... flames got him.

Nobody's fault but his own.

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Reply #28 - Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 7:08am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 12:25am:

NSW Police are under orders to discontinue high speed dangerous chases - their controller says when to cease a chase - doesn't stop the idiots who steal cars etc from crashing... they just go on their merry way

(the wicked flee when none pursue - pinched that from True Grit)

until their sudden stop around a pole or a tree or something.

Young idiot here, with a very bad driving rep, tried to overtake a truck on the two lane bridge and ended up smashing into the concrete wall at the end.. burst into flames - nobody was chasing him, but two cops stopped for their dinner at the Chinese takeaway ran to try to save him... flames got him.

Nobody's fault but his own.

And we all know how that works.

It seems that the police always call off their pursuit just seconds before the stolen car crashes into a tree or something.

"We called off the pursuit and as we rounded the corner, the stolen car had apparently crashed into a tree"

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Reply #29 - Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 8:27am

Valkie wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 7:08am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2021 at 12:25am:

NSW Police are under orders to discontinue high speed dangerous chases - their controller says when to cease a chase - doesn't stop the idiots who steal cars etc from crashing... they just go on their merry way

(the wicked flee when none pursue - pinched that from True Grit)

until their sudden stop around a pole or a tree or something.

Young idiot here, with a very bad driving rep, tried to overtake a truck on the two lane bridge and ended up smashing into the concrete wall at the end.. burst into flames - nobody was chasing him, but two cops stopped for their dinner at the Chinese takeaway ran to try to save him... flames got him.

Nobody's fault but his own.

And we all know how that works.

It seems that the police always call off their pursuit just seconds before the stolen car crashes into a tree or something.

"We called off the pursuit and as we rounded the corner, the stolen car had apparently crashed into a tree"

I agree that where there is a will there is a way... and the will is often there.. just saying what the official position is.... we know how some 'wink-wink' bend the rules.... look at Parliament House 'security' of sheilas.... equality, innit?

Wait until you try moving back to the quiet country town where your great-grandies were married etc, with ties going back generations, to find that the place is a 'half-way' house for all the cop burn-outs and fick-ups from the city on their last chance - coupled with a 'tame' 'magistrate' who blithely sh1ts on the law to cover their filthy arses for them. Always a shock to an honest person to stumble across that kind of thing... and it still exists in parts of NSW Deep North and Queensland Deep South/West, as well as other states of which I have little personal knowledge.

If ever there was a need for a Royal into magistrates and judges, this is it.... or a firing squad.

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