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Reply #15 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 8:54am
 
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Reply #16 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 9:27am
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
The primary purpose of the card is to help the women and children of dysfunctional families.

It's a well know each that some groups simply spend their dole on GROG and drugs.
And while drunk or high, they beat and rape their women and children.
They take the mother's dole and spend it on drugs and GROG.
So the women and children are not fed adequately.
By restricting what the card can be spent on.
(No drugs, GROG or betting)
The children have half a chance of being fed and clothed and the women safer from rape and beatings.

Generally, those who so vehemently oppose the card are those with an agenda, who are on the dole and worry that, if successful, it might just roll out to them as well.

The dole is a previlidge, it is not pay for work, it is not intended to be an income.
It is an aid to help people get over a difficult time in their lives.
People who live on the dole for years and even decades are worthless parasites who are just too DAMN lazy to get a job.
The dole comes from workers pockets, our wages are taken to give it to you.
You SHOUKD be thankful that you get anything and should thank working Australia for everything you have.

And are you keeping track of the billions of taxpayer dollars being given to so called private enterprise in vote seeking schemes such as recent payments to companies ( supposedly to cushion the effects of the Covid plague)  being gleefully handed on to shareholders and directors? That’s only one instance among many such dishonest schemes that wouldn’t be possible if we had a genuine free enterprise system. We don’t. The question is why are you focusing exclusively on dole and social security payments?
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Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 9:36am
 
This card has been brought in where Aboriginals live and congregate in large numbers causing mayhem, drunk all the time fighting, never working and there kids not going to school, they are out of control and from what i know about Ceduna and most likely the other places is that the card is working. Setting up what is essentially dole offices in these places is throwing good money after bad at these bludgers, there are no jobs there anyway.
This card had bipartisan support when it was introduced.

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”


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Reply #18 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 10:15am
 
Johnnie wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 9:36am:
This card has been brought in where Aboriginals live and congregate in large numbers causing mayhem, drunk all the time fighting, never working and there kids not going to school, they are out of control and from what i know about Ceduna and most likely the other places is that the card is working. Setting up what is essentially dole offices in these places is throwing good money after bad at these bludgers, there are no jobs there anyway.
This card had bipartisan support when it was introduced.

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



I’m fully aware of the situation you describe but I’m also aware you’ve totally ingnored any of the points I made about coorporate welfare grants.
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Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 11:25am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 10:15am:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 9:36am:
This card has been brought in where Aboriginals live and congregate in large numbers causing mayhem, drunk all the time fighting, never working and there kids not going to school, they are out of control and from what i know about Ceduna and most likely the other places is that the card is working. Setting up what is essentially dole offices in these places is throwing good money after bad at these bludgers, there are no jobs there anyway.
This card had bipartisan support when it was introduced.

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



I’m fully aware of the situation you describe but I’m also aware you’ve totally ingnored any of the points I made about coorporate welfare grants.

We all know the things you say happen all the time, if you have conclusive proof of anything then take it to the top.

This card was introduced for all the right reasons and with bipartisan support. I could think of a lot of other places where the Abbos need to be reigned in for their own good.
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Reply #20 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 12:02pm
 
Cashless welfare card trial splits Bundaberg community, participants say they feel humiliated   Sad
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Posted Tue 8 Oct 2019 

Kerryn Griffis says the cashless card has made it harder to provide for her children Maia, Brenna, Misty and Amber.



People forced onto the cashless welfare card as part of a trial in the Bundaberg-Hervey Bay area of Queensland say they feel stigmatised and humiliated by the Federal Government.

Key points:
6,000 welfare recipients in Queensland region are part of a cashless card trial
Some on the trial say the card makes their lives harder and is humiliating
But charities and community organisations say the trial is making a difference
"I feel like in the Government's eyes I'm a lesser person. In the public's eyes it's much, much worse," Kerryn Griffis told 7.30.

"What have I ever done for the government to treat me this way? To treat thousands of other people this way?

"We've been branded as drug addicts and alcoholics and gamblers and dole bludgers.   Sad

"Most of us are just doing the best we can to get by."

'It's made things a lot harder'   Sad

Single mother Hannah Leacy has found it harder to budget with the cashless card.
There are 6,000 people on the trial in the region. All are under 36 and receive a Newstart, Jobseeker or Parenting allowance.

They have 80 per cent of their payments quarantined on a special debit card, that cannot be used to buy alcohol, drugs or gambling products.

It is the fourth community in Australia under the cashless debit card system, after the scheme was introduced in the East Kimberley in WA and Ceduna in SA in 2016, and to the Goldfields regions in WA in 2018.

But some of the people taking part in the trial feel the cashless debit card places unreasonable restrictions on their spending and can even make it more difficult to save.   Sad

They said they could no longer buy second-hand goods online, often don't have enough cash for cheaper supermarket food, and the debit card restricts payments to money owing on credit accounts.

"It's definitely made things a lot harder, I've found it harder to budget," Childers resident and single mother Hannah Leacy told 7.30.

"I'm losing out on interest that I could potentially be building up in my savings account if I'd been able to transfer that."

She feels she is being penalised for something she hasn't done.

"I got my first job at Domino's when I was 13, and I've had a job ever since," she said.

"I've been independent up until now, and now at 34, I'm now deemed to be incapable of making appropriate choices, financially."

Some positive effects

Fay Whiffen is on the Department of Social Security's reference group which is assessing the reaction to the trial.
Despite the complaints by users, some community leaders in the Bundaberg-Hervey Bay region say the debit card is working well.

"People are finding that they're able to budget a lot better, they've got money left over," said the president of the Burrum District Community Centre, Fay Whiffen, who also sits on the Department of Social Security's reference group assessing the local reaction to the trial.

She said if card users were experiencing problems, they should speak to the department.

"If they do want to buy some second-hand things on eBay or they do want to go to markets … they can contact the department and get an additional payment in cash as long as they can prove it's what they want it for," Ms Whiffen told 7.30.

"The only thing the Government is saying you can't do with your money, is saying you can't gamble, and you can't drink and you can't buy drugs.

"How could someone get upset at that if they're trying to do the right thing?"

Hervey-Bay-based food charity We Care 2 said the cashless debit appeared to be having the desired effect.

"We have noticed, since about July, a significant decrease in the amount of people coming in for free food through the emergency relief program," operations manager Jan Carlson told 7.30.

"In three days we would get 30, maybe 36 people through emergency relief, previously. Now we would probably see 12 a week.

"The other thing we're finding is that people are actually volunteering to go onto the card."

Smart use of taxpayers money or financial abuse?

Bundaberg and Hervey Bay are the fourth region to have a cashless welfare card trial.
Ms Whiffen acknowledged there had been teething problems with the implementation of the trial, but insisted any problems had been swiftly dealt with.

And she said it was important no money was wasted.

"This is the taxpayers' money and I think the taxpayers have a right too, to know where their money is going," Ms Whiffen said.

"Welfare is supposed to be a hand up, it is not supposed to be career choice."

But for Ms Griffis, the trial feels like a punishment.

"If my partner was to quarantine some of my money and tell me where and when I can't spend it, tell me it's for my own good … people would be screaming financial abuse.   Sad
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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 5:13pm
 
Ms Whiffen sounds like an old bag of unmentionable.... obviously chosen for her leaning towards the conservative side of things.

Spouts the same trite old phrases... SOCIAL SECURITY (not welfare) is a handup - not a chosen lifestyle.  Well - yes - but who says they chose it?  Silly old Joh follower calling them dole bludgers by another name.

AND* - where are the jobs for all these people up there in sunny Queenslund where they do things diff'runtly, you mark my words...


I recall seeing this on TV back then, knight, and had the exact same thoughts then.

(use of vernacular lead-in to sentence in keeping with the New England Journal of Medicine.. little uni twerps hate it.... their loss and failure to understand).....
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Reply #22 - Oct 11th, 2021 at 6:03pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 8:09pm:
Repeat to yourself.

I am a worthwhile member of the human race
I can be a normal contributor and nice person.



is that what you do Valkie?  lie to yourself? Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Oct 12th, 2021 at 7:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 11th, 2021 at 6:03pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 8:09pm:
Repeat to yourself.

I am a worthwhile member of the human race
I can be a normal contributor and nice person.



is that what you do Valkie?  lie to yourself? Roll Eyes


All good smiffy, you can vent on me, I can take it.

I have been working with you for several days now to help you "nicer" and its having some small effect.

However you are still rebelling a little, we can get you over this, just keep trying.

Remember
Repeat to yourself.

I am a worthwhile member of the human race
I can be a normal contributor and nice person.

If you try real hard, you might just be able to be nice.
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Reply #24 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am
 
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.
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Reply #25 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 8:44am
 
Kat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am:
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.


And yet...

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”

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Reply #26 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:18am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Kat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am:
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.


And yet...

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



How does that justify putting everyone in australia who receives any money from centerlink on it including dsp and pensioners?

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Reply #27 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:26am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:18am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Kat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am:
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.


And yet...

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



How does that justify putting everyone in australia who receives any money from centerlink on it including dsp and pensioners?

Spot


How much alcohol and drug related violence is acceptable to you Spot? How many abused children do you think is enough? How many communities would you like to see destroyed?
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Reply #28 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 10:55am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:26am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:18am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Kat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am:
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.


And yet...

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



How does that justify putting everyone in australia who receives any money from centerlink on it including dsp and pensioners?

Spot


How much alcohol and drug related violence is acceptable to you Spot? How many abused children do you think is enough? How many communities would you like to see destroyed?


the cashless card CAUSES those things by not allowing ppl to pay rent or buy cheaply.

There are no checks or balances on the indue process. they just stick everyone in an area on it and are planning on putting everyone in australia with any kind of centerlink payment on itl.

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Reply #29 - Oct 13th, 2021 at 11:56am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 10:55am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:26am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 9:18am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Kat wrote on Oct 13th, 2021 at 7:48am:
Not flawed - criminal.

And a gross violation of human rights.

It's nothing more or less than outright economic apartheid.


And yet...

I have heard on the bush telegraph that some Abbo kids are now attending school for up to 3 days a week and some have even seen a piece of fruit and a vegetable for the first time in their lives!

"Geoffrey Moffatt, CEO of the District Council of Ceduna, says there has been a dramatic change in town since the card was introduced. “People can say all they want about the effectiveness of the card but all you have to do is walk around the town, especially the foreshore and the CBD after the card was introduced versus prior. You don’t have people with a blood-alcohol content of 0.4 beating the crap out of each other. Now we have families on the foreshore eating fish and chips rather than drinking alcohol. That’s the measure of effectiveness – you see it, you feel it,” he says, pointing out the window."

“I’m happy with the way Ceduna is now,” says 54-year-old Kim Weetra, an indigenous woman and mother of six, as she sits at a Ceduna bus stop with her granddaughter. “There are not as many people here with alcohol, walking around and causing trouble like in the old days.”



How does that justify putting everyone in australia who receives any money from centerlink on it including dsp and pensioners?

Spot


How much alcohol and drug related violence is acceptable to you Spot? How many abused children do you think is enough? How many communities would you like to see destroyed?


the cashless card CAUSES those things by not allowing ppl to pay rent or buy cheaply.

There are no checks or balances on the indue process. they just stick everyone in an area on it and are planning on putting everyone in australia with any kind of centerlink payment on itl.

Spot


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