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Reply #45 - Oct 12^th, 2021 at 5:46pm

Valkie wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 7:05am:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

In the 12 months to June 2020, 48 cyclists died on Australian roads.

Yet Valkie chooses to get all hysterical over a case involving no deaths.

And 47 of those 48 deaths have most probably been as a result of the cyclists own stupidity.

I cannot help their own stupidity.

Perhaps, had they been less arrogant, less "entitled" and more willing to ride sensibly.

They might still be alive to be arrogant and entitled just a little longer.

I see you are not afraid to make it all up as you go along. 48 deaths in 12 months is fine, but a few nasty bruises on an old lady and you get hysterical and demand SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

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Reply #46 - Oct 12^th, 2021 at 6:30pm

freediver wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 7:05am:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

In the 12 months to June 2020, 48 cyclists died on Australian roads.

Yet Valkie chooses to get all hysterical over a case involving no deaths.

And 47 of those 48 deaths have most probably been as a result of the cyclists own stupidity.

I cannot help their own stupidity.

Perhaps, had they been less arrogant, less "entitled" and more willing to ride sensibly.

They might still be alive to be arrogant and entitled just a little longer.

I see you are not afraid to make it all up as you go along. 48 deaths in 12 months is fine, but a few nasty bruises on an old lady and you get hysterical and demand SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

You just dont get it do you.

Cyclists, some not all, are arrogant, rude, narcissistic and consider themselves entitled.
They fight tooth and nail not to be identifiable.
And there is a good reason for that, they break the law constantly, run down pedestrians and damage cars.

We rarely hear about the incidents because there is nothing that can be done about these morons.
I have driven and ridden my motorcycle around Sydney many times.
I have driven around Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne and many other locations around Australia and seen the antics these lycra clad loonies get up to.
They, more often than not, deliberately create problems for drivers and pedestrians simply because they want the attention.

I have also driven and have been driven around in New York, Texas, Philly, Canada, France, Italy, Amsterdam, Sweden, Finland, London and many villages, China, Holland, Germany and a few I cannot remember.

In these places, bike riders are considerably less aggressive than in good old Aussieland.
Some are suicidal, but are still less narcissistic than our mob.

Not many wear lycra overseas, at least not as many as do in Australia.
That may be the problem.
Squeezing their balls into super skin tight lycra and perching on a tiny seat might just be upping their aggression like elastic bands about a bulls balls makes it angry for rodeos.

Whatever the reason.
I still believe most cycle accidents are the riders fault, even if they somehow manage to get to blame the drivers.

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Re: Cyclists must be licenced and identifiable
Reply #47 - Oct 12^th, 2021 at 6:55pm

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You just dont get it do you.

Correct. I have absolutely no idea why you are getting so hysterical about this incident.

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Cyclists, some not all, are arrogant, rude, narcissistic and consider themselves entitled.

So you are not even pretending to be rational, you are just doing this because of your anger management issues?

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Re: Cyclists must be licenced and identifiable
Reply #49 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 7:30am

rhino wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 3:27am:

rhino wrote on Oct 11^th, 2021 at 10:26pm:

Im actually in favour of speed limits for cyclists on these paths. But I just wish the pedestrians would stick to the f#@ing left like the cyclists. The paths I ride on are clearly delineated between lanes and these plonkers still dont get it.

Speed limits for cyclists? They go slower than cars anyway but every bike would have to be fitted with a speedometer. . . . kids riding to school etc

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As Gordon says, some of these cyclists just dont get it either , on the paths they can be doing 40 ks an hour, thats unsafe and that is not recreational cycling. You dont have to fit every bike with a speedo,

these competition cyclists shouldnt be anywhere near dual use paths.

100% in agreement with this.

THESE are the cyclists (along with many bicycle couriers) who give
all other cyclists the bad reputation they simply do not deserve.

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Reply #50 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 3:47pm

rhino wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 6:52am:

rhino wrote on Oct 11^th, 2021 at 10:26pm:

Im actually in favour of speed limits for cyclists on these paths. But I just wish the pedestrians would stick to the f#@ing left like the cyclists. The paths I ride on are clearly delineated between lanes and these plonkers still dont get it.

I wouldn't be bitching about pedestrians not staying to left or within lanes ....

cyclists are experts at not doing it.

It's why bikes used never be allowed on footpaths.

They arent allowed on footpaths anywhere in Asutralia Ive been, wheres your special spot where you think they are?

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Then bicyclists couldn't obey road rules so they were allowed on footpaths.

Negative. See above.

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If a pedestrian steps off a footpath to cross the road - motorists are obliged to give way to them.

if I ever see a car stopping to let a pedestrian cross the road I will take a picture and enter it in the Guinness book of records as a first for Australia, we hve the worst and the most ignorant drivers in the world.

Obviously you haven't been anywhere.

Schoolchildren & adults ride push bikes,scooters & skateboards on footpaths here .... QLD. Even in the CBD.

They also ride on the wrong side of the road against oncoming traffic (coming out around parked cars) like pedestrians are advised
to do when there is no footpath. They do even when there is a footpath on either side of the road.

It's come about because of whining bubble wrapping parents & compliant dogooder councils. "Let our kids ride on the footpath ... it's safer."

Pretty sure they apply what they're taught when they grow up & get a drivers license.

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Reply #51 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:07pm

In 2019, I spotted a cyclist riding around near dusk. No helmet, no light. He got told to pull over by an officer in a following police vehicle. He failed to stop and rode off with the officer failing to pursue him much further.

This is just one of the many cases where having a cyclist "licenced and identifiable" would not have meant a thing in reducing traffic incidences involving cyclists. Even motorists have the right to deny being involved in a traffic incident. How do you identify a cyclist if they do not stop?

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Reply #52 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:13pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:07pm:

In 2019, I spotted a cyclist riding around near dusk. No helmet, no light. He got told to pull over by an officer in a following police vehicle. He failed to stop and rode off with the officer failing to pursue him much further.

This is just one of the many cases where having a cyclist "licenced and identifiable" would not have meant a thing in reducing traffic incidences involving cyclists. Even motorists have the right to deny being involved in a traffic incident. How do you identify a cyclist if they do not stop?

Little plate on the bike under the seat facing backward ... just like a car.

Your details logged against the plate... simple.

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Reply #53 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:16pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:07pm:

In 2019, I spotted a cyclist riding around near dusk. No helmet, no light. He got told to pull over by an officer in a following police vehicle. He failed to stop and rode off with the officer failing to pursue him much further.

This is just one of the many cases where having a cyclist "licenced and identifiable" would not have meant a thing in reducing traffic incidences involving cyclists. Even motorists have the right to deny being involved in a traffic incident. How do you identify a cyclist if they do not stop?

Little plate on the bike under the seat facing backward ... just like a car.

Your details logged against the plate... simple.

And what do we do in times when the cyclist denies being the rider of the bike?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Cyclists must be licenced and identifiable Reply #55 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 5:13pm freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 5:07pm: If Valkie has his way we will all have a serial number tattooed on our forehead, just in case we do something impolite. And if that tattooed serial number consisted of 3 sets of 6 digits then that would make Valkie the Anti Christ.
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Re: Cyclists must be licenced and identifiable
Reply #56 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 5:41pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 4:07pm:

In 2019, I spotted a cyclist riding around near dusk. No helmet, no light. He got told to pull over by an officer in a following police vehicle. He failed to stop and rode off with the officer failing to pursue him much further.

This is just one of the many cases where having a cyclist "licenced and identifiable" would not have meant a thing in reducing traffic incidences involving cyclists. Even motorists have the right to deny being involved in a traffic incident. How do you identify a cyclist if they do not stop?

Little plate on the bike under the seat facing backward ... just like a car.

Your details logged against the plate... simple.

And what do we do in times when the cyclist denies being the rider of the bike?

Same as car owner - name the other person or take the hit....

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Reply #57 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 7:36pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 3:47pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 3:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2021 at 6:52am:

rhino wrote on Oct 11^th, 2021 at 10:26pm:

Im actually in favour of speed limits for cyclists on these paths. But I just wish the pedestrians would stick to the f#@ing left like the cyclists. The paths I ride on are clearly delineated between lanes and these plonkers still dont get it.

I wouldn't be bitching about pedestrians not staying to left or within lanes ....

cyclists are experts at not doing it.

It's why bikes used never be allowed on footpaths.

They arent allowed on footpaths anywhere in Asutralia Ive been, wheres your special spot where you think they are?

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Then bicyclists couldn't obey road rules so they were allowed on footpaths.

Negative. See above.

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If a pedestrian steps off a footpath to cross the road - motorists are obliged to give way to them.

if I ever see a car stopping to let a pedestrian cross the road I will take a picture and enter it in the Guinness book of records as a first for Australia, we hve the worst and the most ignorant drivers in the world.

Obviously you haven't been anywhere.

Schoolchildren & adults ride push bikes,scooters & skateboards on footpaths here .... QLD. Even in the CBD.

They also ride on the wrong side of the road against oncoming traffic (coming out around parked cars) like pedestrians are advised
to do when there is no footpath. They do even when there is a footpath on either side of the road.

It's come about because of whining bubble wrapping parents & compliant dogooder councils. "Let our kids ride on the footpath ... it's safer."

Pretty sure they apply what they're taught when they grow up & get a drivers license.

The paths are designated dual use paths, not footpaths. they have to re designate them to make it legal to ride on them. Any path designated "footpath" is for pedestrians only.

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Reply #58 - Oct 13^th, 2021 at 7:55pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2021 at 3:47pm:

Schoolchildren & adults ride push bikes,scooters & skateboards on footpaths here .... QLD. Even in the CBD.

thats because QLD's bike paths are the worst. Qld's idea off a bike path is to paint a line down the side of the road. Ride a bike in a bike path with anything resembling more than light traffic and you take you life in your hands. I tell my kids not to use them, to ride on the footpaths instead

By comparison, the bike paths in Wollongong were excellent. I could ride from Helensburg in the North to Kiama in the south, a distance of approx 70km, and almost never ride on the road except for along a few short sections.

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Reply #59 - Oct 14^th, 2021 at 12:29am

Well - cyclists are lice as per the headline...

Actually I'm very kind to them and give them a wide berth when they are riding the 100 kph zones here.... not as much as I give the Wood Ducks or Possums or deer or kangaroos that leap onto the road, not to mention the snakes and lizards I swerve to avoid...

(what kind of f**k-head runs over a snake who kills vermin for you? ...note the cunning humanisation of the snake)

... but I will give a cyclist a wide berth IF offered the opportunity, as long as they don't do something totally stupid like push over and triple file when I'm passing them as if they have the right...

At school some sixty years ago or more, the idea was to ride Indian file...... not just take the road as a right and get killed while asserting a right or making a statement ......

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