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Oct 3rd, 2021 at 2:16pm
 
Have you heard about this one Athos? The CCP basically starved your people to death. Apparently you cannot eat propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of great famine") was a period between 1959 and 1961 in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) characterized by widespread famine.

The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).

The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, such as inefficient distribution of food due to the planned economy, requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques, the Four Pests Campaign that reduced bird populations (which disrupted the ecosystem), over-reporting of grain production (which was actually decreasing), and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.
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Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2021 at 4:21pm
 
If one analyses his syntax and composition, Ah Tos has used several other names on these forums. The most Chinese thing about him is his Mao T shirt. If he had to live in China, we would not hear from him again.
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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2021 at 5:43pm
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58733193

And even if they had the food security in China today, they are having a hell of a lot of trouble trying to get power to cook their food. Having to rely on wood stoves to cook. So much for being carbon neutral by the year 2060.
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2022 at 1:45pm
 
Our friends from the Chinese propaganda ministry seem to be taking a leaf out of the neonazi playbook. First they tried to completely deny that the Chinese Communist Party killed up to 50 million Chinese people, in an error-prone effort to help them. In the name of socialism. I think this might be why athos stopped posting and a bunch of new ministry stooges showed up.

Now they have moved on to trying to play down the number of deaths and call the historical record into question.

They are suggesting that tens of millions of dead people is some little mistake that the Chinese people should put up with while they embrace the CCP as their 'pragmatic' and 'stable' rulers.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28th, 2022 at 5:01pm:
what I CAN say is the CCP is the most pragmatic political party on the planet and will adjust its policies as required, on its quest to achieve common prosperity for all, within a "prosperous socialist society in all respects" by 2049.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2022 at 4:52pm:
Today Chinese socialism is probably  more stable than US democracy, which is why democracy ideologues outside of China  are thrashing around trying to destroy China, while the younger generation in China are enjoying their rapidly increasing prosperity.    



thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2022 at 11:51am:
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The only reason for not learning from the past is so the CCP can repeat it.
 

The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation. 

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Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm
 
A strange take on pragmatism:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm:
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Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic?


In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm:
A strange take on pragmatism:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm:
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Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic?


In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.

Chinese pragmatism?

Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine.
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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:17pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm:
A strange take on pragmatism:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm:
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Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic?


In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.

Chinese pragmatism?

Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine.


Perhaps that's why they keep labelling the CCP as pragmatic.
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Reply #7 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:17pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm:
A strange take on pragmatism:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm:
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Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic?


In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.

Chinese pragmatism?

Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine.


Perhaps that's why they keep labelling the CCP as pragmatic.

If they're not borrowing their pragmatic ideas from the Soviets, they're borrowing them from the Nazis.

The CCP leadership has always had a history of admiring Stalin and Hitler.
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Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:38pm
 
lol. making lies and bullsh1t again?

You should talk about the truth. There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.
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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:44pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 7:38pm:
lol. making lies and bullsh1t again?

You should talk about the truth. There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.

Your deflection doesn't deny the comments about the Chinese famine.

100 million aboriginals? It's not likely 100 million aboriginals were born in 60,000 years.
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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 9:02pm
 
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There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.


Would you mind referring me to the propaganda ministry website that you are getting this from?
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freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 9:02pm:
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There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.


Would you mind referring me to the propaganda ministry website that you are getting this from?

Zhao Lijian. China's Goebbels.

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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2022 at 11:46pm
 
There were never 100 million Aborigines in this country since Establishment Day.

In the 1850's, when my great-greats arrived here, the population overall was around 1 million total.  In 1914, at the outbreak of WWI - the entire population was 4 million, making  the loss of young men way out of proportion to all other combatant nations.....

None of my ancestors ever persecuted an Aborigine or did anything to them....
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Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2022 at 5:35am
 
It's like if the Nazis had remained in power in Germany, and we had a bunch of German stooges on here telling us the holocaust was just a little misstep that we mustn't comment on because of the aborigines, and national socialism is really just pragmatic socialism.
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Reply #14 - Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2022 at 11:51am:
The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation. 


The real reason the CCP wants to keep its citizens in the dark about the Great Chinese famine is so that it can repeat those mistakes at will. It does not have the wellbeing of the Chinese people at heart.

For example it cannot keep the lights on, not for any real lack of ability or resources, but in order save face on the global playing field. Of course, it is the Chinese people who suffer as a result.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1644727643

Another example - under-reporting of covid deaths. This no doubt leads to more deaths from covid, as the country will not provide resources to save the lives of its own citizens if it is lying to itself about whether they are dying. This is pretty much the exact same cause as the great Chinese famine - internal party politics causing regional leaders to misreport what is actually happening.

Only problem is, they believe their own propaganda, and try to boast about the low death rate:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1643170908/289#289

It's like the CCP boasting about how well fed the Chinese people are while 50 million of them starve to death.

This is why the CCP is so hostile to both democracy and basic freedoms, like freedom of the press, and publishes so much absurd propaganda against them. Both would save the lives of countless Chinese people, but it would come at the cost of CCP leaders losing face and the CCP losing power. Ironically, the CCP champions both democracy and free and open debate within the party as the best way of managing it.

The CCP would literally prefer to kill Chinese people in large numbers than face reality.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:15pm:
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Another good example of why the CCP doesn't want its own citizens knowing the truth about the Great Chinese Famine. They are doing it again. You just finished explaining to us how there is no point letting the Chinese people know the truth about the famine, yet you expect us to believe this BS?


"Just finished explaining" ....what? The mistakes of the pre 1980's are long past. Now whether you believe current stats is up to you.

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