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Reply #30 - Sep 26th, 2021 at 12:05pm
 
Make that the last, last time:-

For the last time - these subs are NOT designed to blast Beijing, unlike the Chinese nukes that carry ICBMs are designed to blast Canberra etc... they are fitted out to prevent Chinese (et al) submarines blasting Canberra, and it is your sons and daughters who will suffer the consequences of poor decision making now.

ADDS:-  If China is so scared of Australia having anything approaching an effective deterrent to nuclear ATTACK, does that not show you several things about the current Chinese government?

What makes you think Australia doesn't have nuclear strike capability now, either at first hand or by proxy?

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/maritime-antisub/3923-wolves-of-the-sea-hunter...
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Reply #31 - Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:21pm
 
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/inescapable-problem-with-...

When even Greg Sheridan thinks a lib PM has done the wrong thing, you know this wasn't the best plan.
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Reply #32 - Sep 30th, 2021 at 2:04pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:21pm:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/inescapable-problem-with-...

When even Greg Sheridan thinks a lib PM has done the wrong thing, you know this wasn't the best plan.



Leasing a couple with joint crews asap is the only way to prove Sheridan wrong. If we wait for them until they are built then I think he's right, they won't  happen.
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Reply #33 - Sep 30th, 2021 at 7:14pm
 
The why is Mr Chinker so restive? 
(term used to designate 'bad' Chinese, in which I do not include my two Chinese air hosties - same as I never call a Niqqer a Niqqer unless he/she deserves it)
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You'd think Australia had nuke subs armed to the teeth with H-bombs knocking on Beijing's door.... what ARE they so frightened of?  White Man's Superiority?

Read the following excerpt from -
Blossoms In the Wind - Human Legacies of the Kamikaze , M.G Sheftall.


a. Determine and explain  the underlying factors in generation of a group psyche as described in the excerpt.

b.  Seek similar group psyches occurring today, discover their root causes, expound on those in comparison with that shown by Sheftall as pertaining to pre-WW II Japanese society.

c.  Consider the effect of the same values ascribed to the West by such 'new' groups in the development and continuation of such group psyches - define the group(s) you are considering.

d.  Is the West, therefore, condemned to fight an endless series of wars, due to the group psyches developed as described.....and if so .. what is the level of preparedness, both physically and spiritually, of the West?

"Educated Japanese males of Onishi's generation who had spent their time living and studying in the West - especially America - tended to harbour extreme feelings at both ends of a love-hate continuum toward their former hosts and teachers, ranging from unabashed schoolboy hero worship to utter repulsion fueled by a desperate need to believe in their own racial and cultural superiority.  The emotional packages of most comprised a tortuous Freudian melange of admiration and inferiority complex: a healthy respect for the Westerner's technological prowess, material abundance and sheer physical size; disdain for their shameless materialism, their smug, easy pride, their maddeningly nonchalant tolerance of disorder, their racist immigrant legislation and the woeful history of the American Negro.  Not to mention the poisonous, half-buried memories of patronising cocktail party slights ("Oh, your English is excellent.  Were you taught by missionaries?"), sneering hotel clerks, withering locker room anxiety, and the impotent rage of coming home to see giggling Japanese girls on the arms of strapping white men in the streets of the larger port cities.  Just as everyone tapping pointers on maps in the war rooms of Tokyo and cutting orders for young men to die at the front carried his own personal portfolio of similar psychological baggage regarding Westerners, none of them ever really expected the nation to win its duel to the death with the West - win, that is, in the sense of Japanese troops marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and pitching their tents on the White House lawn.  Nor did they see the war as being pursued primarily for the practical strategic objectives of securing vital industrial resources and fuel.  Seeing it in such simple terms was to confuse means with ends.

The goal, really, had always been, first and foremost, to humble the West - to daub the teacher's face with mud - by kicking the white man out of Asia and bringing about an end, once and for all, win or lose, of what former Prime Minister Konoe had so aptly termed Anglo-Saxon global hegemony.  The Caucasian bogeyman - and the unspeakable fear that he might really be the superior being he seemed to think himself - had whispered in the ear and haunted the nightmares of the Japanese psyche for the last ninety years, since Commodore Matthew C Perry's Black Ships first fouled the waters of Uraga Bay, humiliating the nation by forcing it to accommodate to Americans and their insulting demands."
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Reply #34 - Sep 30th, 2021 at 8:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 2:04pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:21pm:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/inescapable-problem-with-...

When even Greg Sheridan thinks a lib PM has done the wrong thing, you know this wasn't the best plan.



Leasing a couple with joint crews asap is the only way to prove Sheridan wrong. If we wait for them until they are built then I think he's right, they won't  happen.


Never listen to anything jounos say about military matters, unless they're a defense expert, which Greg Sheridan is not.




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Reply #35 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 8:58am
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 8:36pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 2:04pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 1:21pm:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/inescapable-problem-with-...

When even Greg Sheridan thinks a lib PM has done the wrong thing, you know this wasn't the best plan.



Leasing a couple with joint crews asap is the only way to prove Sheridan wrong. If we wait for them until they are built then I think he's right, they won't  happen.


Never listen to anything jounos say about military matters, unless they're a defense expert, which Greg Sheridan is not.






But he is a liberal butt kisser.
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Reply #36 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 9:04am
 
We'd be better served by no submarines than the diesel-electric variety. No matter how much electronics you stuff into them, they are still sitting-ducks. They are essentially the same concept as in WW1.
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Reply #37 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 11:48am
 
issuevoter wrote on Oct 1st, 2021 at 9:04am:
We'd be better served by no submarines than the diesel-electric variety. No matter how much electronics you stuff into them, they are still sitting-ducks. They are essentially the same concept as in WW1.


Remember nukes are relatively 'noisy' with extra cooling pumps and such and each has its own 'signature' ...  where's Vic?  He'll know more about subs.  Obviously would be noisier than running on batteries.

https://spp.fas.org/eprint/snf03221.htm
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Reply #38 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 4:54pm
 
The Morrison Government has completely stuffed up with these subs if they ever happen at all???

Quote:
Submarine jobs will be sent offshore under nuclear deal with US and UK, defence suppliers say


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/defence-suppliers-fear-nuclear-submarine-...
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Reply #39 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm
 

No to nuclear - full stop.

I've been opposed to nukes for over 50 years, and I've seen NOTHING
recently which would persuade me to change that stance.

Quite the contrary, actually. Recent events simply reinforce that stance.
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Reply #40 - Oct 1st, 2021 at 8:08pm
 
I see the 'experts' are in full cry.... Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Oct 2nd, 2021 at 2:49am
 
Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:
No to nuclear - full stop.

I've been opposed to nukes for over 50 years, and I've seen NOTHING
recently which would persuade me to change that stance.

Quite the contrary, actually. Recent events simply reinforce that stance.


So China can have nuke powered subs and nuke armed subs - but Australia can't?  Because China says so?

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Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Chinker?
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Reply #42 - Oct 2nd, 2021 at 8:49pm
 
Medically backwards regions: North America, Middle-East, South America and Sahul (Oz).

Medically progressive regions: Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania.

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Reply #43 - Oct 2nd, 2021 at 9:03pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 2nd, 2021 at 2:49am:
Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:
No to nuclear - full stop.

I've been opposed to nukes for over 50 years, and I've seen NOTHING
recently which would persuade me to change that stance.

Quite the contrary, actually. Recent events simply reinforce that stance.


So China can have nuke powered subs and nuke armed subs - but Australia can't?  Because China says so?

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Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Chinker?


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Reply #44 - Oct 2nd, 2021 at 9:33pm
 
Australia. We'll give you instructions on how to build Nuke Subs and you will fight as the USA's Foreign Legion mercenaries and replace the ego-bruised French.

USA replaces Germany
Australia replaces France
Oceania replaces Italy
...Britain gets crucified by a united Islam/Israel Empire. Cheesy
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