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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Another Reason to Hate Jacinda Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...
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Reply #1 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:06am

Nu Zulland's politicians feel that they are sufficiently far away from the flash points, that they do not have to worry....

If Australia goes down, they will be safe... if they are outflanked by CCP Fiji and a few other national groups, they will be safe....

They FEEL (the governing word for these days) so isolated from world events that they fail entirely to realise that they are part of a global economy and global interaction.... and are very clearly part of the Asian Pacific Region and Basin.

Feelings are everything, NO?

Footnote:- my kid's grandparents on their mother's side (the pacifist side) came to NZ after WW II, when Barney, the kids' grandfather (who has a book in the national whatever of NZ titled 'Just an Ordinary Bloke'), had been with the BEF and evacuated at Dunkirk, then went to the Western Desert, then to Italy, where he operated behind the German lines..... and Kit was stuck in London with two young girls during the blitz, and one of Kit's brother's was shot down and killed in Bomber Command. One of Kit's brother's sons are Hollywood directors and producers......

A former GF of mine's father commanded a ship of the RNZN in the Solomons etc.... and an uncle of my kid's mother was on HMNZS Achilles at the battle of the River Plate.....

I think NZ needs to wake up and smell the roses and get back into the real world.... it isn't the late 1940's out there now .........

Re-elity Secks, Jacinda... get with it.... for a farken change.... you are part of the world, not separate from it regardless of the long out-worn Tyranny of Distance...

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41728 Gender:	Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda Reply #2 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:12am NZ has banned American nuclear powered ships from there for decades
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda Reply #3 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:54am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:12am: NZ has banned American nuclear powered ships from there for decades duh. and where was China then?
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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #4 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 5:03am

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:12am:

NZ has banned American nuclear powered ships from there for decades

duh. and where was China then?

Same place it is now. It can't move you know. It's part of a continent.
Did you think it had floated around and joined Asia in the last decade?

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #6 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #7 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:22am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

WHy is she not fit?

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #8 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:51am

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:22am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

WHy is she not fit?

Took the side of China against Australia for one thing, and thats all we need to know shes not fit, she is a woke sorry caricature.

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #9 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:56am

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:51am:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:22am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

WHy is she not fit?

Took the side of China against Australia for one thing, and thats all we need to know shes not fit, she is a woke sorry caricature.

So because she took the side of someone we don't like. OK.

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #10 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:01am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

I'd doubt that there is anyone in New Zealand who could sell the idea of reversing its non-nuclear stand to its people.

That stand is almost religious in its potency within the population.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda Reply #11 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:05am give ANZUS the flick, see how religious they are then.
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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #12 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:05am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:01am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

AiA wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 1:51am:

When you try and play neutral you get pǝʞɔnɟ from both sides

Aukus submarines banned from New Zealand as pact exposes divide with western allies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/16/aukus-submarines-banned-as-pact-ex...

That woman is seriously not fit to be a Prime Minister. The fact that she is .... tells me more about the sad and sorry state of the Kiwis who voted her in.

I'd doubt that there is anyone in New Zealand who could sell the idea of reversing its non-nuclear stand to its people.

That stand is almost religious in its potency within the population.

I'm not even sold on it in this country. But then again, I'm thinking this whole thing is a marketing ploy by Scotty from Marketing

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Re: Another Reason to Hate Jacinda
Reply #14 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:12am

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 9:05am:

give ANZUS the flick, see how religious they are then.

In the 80s, new zealand withstood pressure from Australia and the US in its non-nuclear status.

The Hawke government lent on the Lange government, but failed to deter the policy's enactment.

The Reagan Administration even threatened to end ANZUS and, while it didn't happen, NZ is the part of the acronym in ANZUS that dare not speak its name. It's more like ANUS.

The kiwis withstood the lot back then and they've never wavered.

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