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Reply #135 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:22pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 3:02pm:

Panther wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 10:01am:

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Only dickheads like yourself would believe that the US Constitution would authorize, protect, or defend criminal activity like you seem to be suggesting.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution affirms, defends, & protects an American Citizen's Right to Keep & Bear Arms to use in Self-Defense.....of himself/herself, their loved ones, & friends.

* In America Murder is illegal.

* Attempting to murder is illegal.

* A criminal felon possessing, attempting to purchase, or in any way owning a firearm is illegal.

* It is illegal for a person with a diagnosed violent form of mental illness to possess, attempt to purchase, or in any way own a firearm.

* Shooting & killing people indiscriminately is illegal.

* Using firearms in any criminal manner is illegal.

Criminals do not go through background checks when buying or otherwise illegally obtaining firearms.

So please explain in detail to us all:

What new "Common Sense Gun Control" laws do you propose that will both keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, making America safer, & at the same time continue to reserve the Right of Law-Abiding American Citizens to keep their firearms.......as affirmed, protec.........nabeling American Citizens to lawfully defend themselves & their loved ones?

If you can not square these two, how are you planning to convince gun owning & law-abiding American Citizens that it would be to their best interests to give up their Natural Rights that they have always freely exercised....their Right to protect & defend themselves & their loved ones, after successfully embarking upon a lengthily, divisive, but necessary task of changing their cherished document, their US Constitution, effectively repealing their most precious Right to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense?

Please explain in detail how criminals will suddenly going to follow these 'new' laws, when for centuries they have ignored & defied all previous law?

Please explain in detail how these 'new' laws will make American Society safer?

It's too late. America is awash with guns and will always be buggered

My American friends have a metal cage to hide in if their home is invaded, it's specifically bullet proof. They know invaders would have guns. In australia if someone tried to break into my home I'd grab my block buster and open up their heads.

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United States Constitution affirms, defends, & protects an American Citizen's Right to Keep & Bear Arms to use in Self-Defense

The Second Amendment:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Can you point me to the place in the second amendment that talks about self defence ?

This bit was made up by the supreme court in 2008 with NRA Lobbying and funding republican and democrat politicians. The NRA give scholarships in support of the second amendment.

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“A fraud on the American public.” That’s how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the long-time consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum.....

Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008, when District of Columbia v. Heller struck down the capital’s law effectively banning handguns in the home. In fact, every other time the court had ruled previously, it had ruled otherwise. Why such a head-snapping turnaround? Don’t look for answers in dusty law books or the arcane reaches of theory......

There is not a single word about an individual’s right to a gun for self-defense or recreation in Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention......

The NRA’s new leadership was dramatic, dogmatic and overtly ideological (1970's). For the first time, the organization formally embraced the idea that the sacred Second Amendment was at the heart of its concerns......

Politicians adjusted in turn. The 1972 Republican platform had supported gun control, with a focus on restricting the sale of “cheap handguns..

Just three years later in 1975,.... Reagan wrote in Guns & Ammo magazine, “The Second Amendment is clear, or ought to be. It appears to leave little if any leeway for the gun control advocate.”...

From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-a...

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Reply #136 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm

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The amendment grew out of the political tumult surrounding the drafting of the Constitution, which was done in secret by a group of mostly young men, many of whom had served together in the Continental Army. Having seen the chaos and mob violence that followed the Revolution, these “Federalists” feared the consequences of a weak central authority. They produced a charter that shifted power—at the time in the hands of the states—to a new national government.

“Anti-Federalists” opposed this new Constitution. The foes worried, among other things, that the new government would establish a “standing army” of professional soldiers and would disarm the 13 state militias, made up of part-time citizen-soldiers and revered as bulwarks against tyranny. These militias were the product of a world of civic duty and governmental compulsion utterly alien to us today. Every white man age 16 to 60 was enrolled. He was actually required to own—and bring—a musket or other military weapon.

On June 8, 1789, James Madison—an ardent Federalist who had won election to Congress only after agreeing to push for changes to the newly ratified Constitution—proposed 17 amendments on topics ranging from the size of congressional districts to legislative pay to the right to religious freedom. One addressed the “well regulated militia” and the right “to keep and bear arms.” We don’t really know what he meant by it. At the time, Americans expected to be able to own guns, a legacy of English common law and rights. But the overwhelming use of the phrase “bear arms” in those days referred to military activities.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-a...

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

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Reply #137 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:55pm

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

So, when all the dust has settled, & all the smoke has cleared, 'We The People'.....The American People.....We will still have 400,000,000+ guns, & will always be able to get as many guns as 'We The People' desire.

What do the little-people in little-down-under think they can do to about that?

Bottom line the little-people-in-little-down-under can't do jack squat about American Rights or American Guns, except whinge like little-school-girls about them......Period!!!

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Reply #139 - May 24^th, 2022 at 5:14pm

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

So, when all the dust has settled, & all the smoke has cleared, 'We The People'.....The American People.....We will still have 400,000,000+ guns, & will always be able to get as many guns as 'We The People' desire. https://imgur.com/jNLScBj.gif

What do the little-people in little-down-under think they can do to about that?

Bottom line the little-people-in-little-down-under can't do jack squat about American Rights or American Guns, except whinge like little-school-girls about them......Period!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif
https://i.imgur.com/tZGSzIR.png
https://imgur.com/b82K9uH.gif

It appears that you do not like the truth much.

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Reply #140 - May 24^th, 2022 at 6:59pm

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

So, when all the dust has settled, & all the smoke has cleared, 'We The People'.....The American People.....We will still have 400,000,000+ guns, & will always be able to get as many guns as 'We The People' desire. https://imgur.com/jNLScBj.gif

What do the little-people in little-down-under think they can do to about that?

Bottom line the little-people-in-little-down-under can't do jack squat about American Rights or American Guns, except whinge like little-school-girls about them......Period!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif
https://i.imgur.com/tZGSzIR.png
https://imgur.com/b82K9uH.gif

It appears that you do not like the truth much.

You wouldn't even have a farkin' clue where to look for the truth......& you probably wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you across the beak......you couldn't handle the truth duckboy.

Want to find the truth....Research the Library of Congress.....the largest library & historical archive in the world.

That's where you will find the truth, not in those little-leftist, anti-gunner, Socialistic blogs you little-people frequent...

That's where the United States Supreme Court's law clerks & teams of investigative associates research all written facts & documentation surrounding the US Constitution, & the American Founding Fathers intent when creating the most unique government the world will ever know.

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Reply #141 - May 24^th, 2022 at 7:00pm

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

So, when all the dust has settled, & all the smoke has cleared, 'We The People'.....The American People.....We will still have 400,000,000+ guns, & will always be able to get as many guns as 'We The People' desire. https://imgur.com/jNLScBj.gif

What do the little-people in little-down-under think they can do to about that?

Bottom line the little-people-in-little-down-under can't do jack squat about American Rights or American Guns, except whinge like little-school-girls about them......Period!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif
https://i.imgur.com/tZGSzIR.png
https://imgur.com/b82K9uH.gif

It appears that you do not like the truth much.

You wouldn't even have a farkin' clue where to look for the truth......& you probably wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you across the beak......you couldn't handle the truth duckboy.

Want to find the truth....Research the Library of Congress.....the largest library & historical archive in the world.

That's where you will find the truth, not in little-leftist, anti-gunner, Socialistic blogs you little people frequent...

That's where the United States Supreme Court's law clerks & teams of investigative associates research all written facts & documentation surrounding the US Constitution, & the American Founding Fathers intent when creating the most unique government the world will ever know.

https://i.imgur.com/0O2244c.gif

You do seem a bit emotional ?

BS -ing about the constitution seems to get your blood flowing.

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Reply #142 - May 25^th, 2022 at 9:01am

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

When the 2nd amendment was written Arms specifically to support the Militia was a genuine concern. This was never meant to be just dismissed as a preface to the amendment it was the whole and exclusive reason for the amendment.

So, when all the dust has settled, & all the smoke has cleared, 'We The People'.....The American People.....We will still have 400,000,000+ guns, & will always be able to get as many guns as 'We The People' desire. https://imgur.com/jNLScBj.gif

What do the little-people in little-down-under think they can do to about that?

Bottom line the little-people-in-little-down-under can't do jack squat about American Rights or American Guns, except whinge like little-school-girls about them......Period!!! https://imgur.com/6jAsC9L.gif
https://i.imgur.com/tZGSzIR.png
https://imgur.com/b82K9uH.gif

It appears that you do not like the truth much.

You wouldn't even have a farkin' clue where to look for the truth......& you probably wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you across the beak......you couldn't handle the truth duckboy.

Want to find the truth....Research the Library of Congress.....the largest library & historical archive in the world.

That's where you will find the truth, not in little-leftist, anti-gunner, Socialistic blogs you little people frequent...

That's where the United States Supreme Court's law clerks & teams of investigative associates research all written facts & documentation surrounding the US Constitution, & the American Founding Fathers intent when creating the most unique government the world will ever know.

https://i.imgur.com/0O2244c.gif

You do seem a bit emotional ?

BS -ing about the constitution seems to get your blood flowing.

Not at all, just like to call a spade a spade.

You know dick-squat about Our American Founding Fathers, & their original intentions......I've pointed you toward the correct direction......the Archives at the Library of Congress, where documents from the Nations founding, & before are kept....

Now, DuckBoy....conciser yourself further re-educated....

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Reply #145 - May 28^th, 2022 at 2:42pm

Raven wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 12:52am:

When are the lives of your children going to be more important than easy access to firearms?

It goes hand in hand.....as Americans both are mutually important & accessible.

My kids are all grown, & have been trained in both firearm safety & being proficient at using firearms as a weapon for self-defense, as well as many other fun uses.....They both have kids of their own, & are already teaching theirs like they were taught......

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Reply #147 - May 28^th, 2022 at 4:16pm

Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children in 2020

"Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020, new research shows.

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows that over 4,300 young Americans died of firearm-related injuries in 2020.

"While suicides contributed to the toll, the data shows that homicides form the majority of gun-related deaths.

"More than 390 million guns are owned by US civilians."

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Reply #148 - May 28^th, 2022 at 8:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 4:16pm:

Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children in 2020

"Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020, new research shows.

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows that over 4,300 young Americans died of firearm-related injuries in 2020.

"While suicides contributed to the toll, the data shows that homicides form the majority of gun-related deaths.

"More than 390 million guns are owned by US civilians."

Wrong again bubba, number one killer of children in the US is abortion! Over six hundred thousand a year, seventy three million a year world wide. If you don't oppose abortion spare us your hypocrisy. A life is a life!

https://christianliferesources.com/2021/01/19/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-19...

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