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Yet another argument for taking addicts
Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:58am
 
Off the street and letting them dry out without help.

Do this a few times and they may just realise that it hurts a lot and then stop it.

The victims (the children) suffer at the hands of these creeps.

Drug pushers (anyone with over 5 gramms) should be shot on the spot and their bodies thrown to pigs for disposal.

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Parents choose ‘meth over milk’ in ice crisis

JOSH HANRAHAN


AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw says addicts’ children ‘neglected’. Picture: Sean Davey

AUSTRALIAN Federal Police Commissioner Reece Kershaw believes children born to meth addicted parents are the real victims of the nation’s ice crisis, declaring “as a society, we have to ensure parents are not buying meth over milk”.

In a speech to be delivered to the National Press Club, Mr Kershaw will demand Australians have an “honest” conversation about drugs.

“There are too many cases where children are going hungry or neglected because their parents are continuously feeding their addiction,” Mr Kershaw is expected to say.

“As a society, we have to ensure parents are not buying meth over milk.”

It follows the blockbuster arrest of hundreds of Australian organised crime figures last month in Operation Ironside, a Trojan horse ploy in which federal agents promoted the Anom messaging app to the criminal world and read every word they shared.

Mr Kershaw said, in one state, ice was a major factor it up to 39 per cent of cases where a child had to be taken into care.

“I’m told there’s little more gut-wrenching than hearing a newborn wail as they struggle with withdrawing from methamphetamine. One child born to meth-addicted parents is one child too many.

“Most drug users need to get their drugs from someone, and overwhelmingly there is a direct link to transnational serious organised crime.

“Every drug trafficker and organised criminal charged by the AFP ensures our communities are safer,” he said.

Mr Kershaw claims “personalised drug use” was a misleading concept given the fallout from a person’s decision to take drugs.

He will point to the horrific death of four children from the Abdallah and Sakr families at Oatlands in 2020 to make his point.

“The Sydney driver, now jailed for killing those four children, had a blood-alcohol level three times the legal limit but also cocaine and MDMA in his system at the time of the crash.

“There is no concept of personalised use of drugs because one user’s actions can have far-reaching consequences for those around them – loved ones or strangers.”

He said taking criminal kingpins off our streets was akin to protecting children and frontline health staff.

“First responders and our frontline workers – whether they are police, nurses, doctors, paramedics and teachers

– should be able to go to work without being violently assaulted by an uncontrollable addict ” he said.
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Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:59am
 
Not Enough.

They should be put down as an example to other drug pushers.

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Disgraced Olympian jailed over $200m drug plot

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Nathan Baggaley.


Dru Baggaley.

FORMER Olympic kayaker Nathan Baggaley and his younger brother Dru will be in their 60s before they are freed from prison if they serve their entire sentence after an ill-fated bid to smuggle $200 million worth of cocaine into Australia.

Supreme Court Justice Ann Lyons on Tuesday sentenced Dru to 28 years in jail, with a non-parole period of 16 years, while Nathan was handed a 25-year sentence and will be eligible for parole after serving 12 years.

Nathan, 45, and Dru, 39, were found guilty of attempting to import a commercial quantity of cocaine into Australia in April by a Supreme Court jury.

During their trial, the court heard Dru and another man, Anthony Draper, travelled hundreds of kilometres offshore from northern NSW and picked up 650kg of cocaine from a foreign ship.

Nathan was on the mainland communicating with Dru using an encrypted phone app. He had previously purchased the boat and had decked it out with navigation and satellite equipment.

On the way back to the mainland, Dru and Draper noticed they had been spotted by authorities and began throwing the drug haul overboard during a dramatic boat chase.

The Royal Australian Navy later retrieved 30 packages of cocaine from the sea.

Draper last year pleaded guilty to attempting to import cocaine and was sentenced to 13 years in prison. During the trial he gave evidence against the brothers.

Prosecutor Ben Power told the court that the brothers became involved in the plot out of greed and “a determination to make a very large sum of money”.

Justice Lyons said she accepted neither were at “the apex of drug distribution hierarchy”, but that both played an “important role”.
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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 10:04am
 
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Drugs breed victims

Certain people cling to the idea that drug use is a victimless crimes. The only people disadvantaged by drug use, they claim, are the drugusers themselves.

People of this view often use those lines to advocate reduced sentences for drug offences and the decriminalising of drug use.

But Australian Federal Police Commissioner Reece Kershaw is having absolutely none of it – and he has the evidence to support his rational position.

“There are too many cases where children are going hungry or neglected because their parents are continuously feeding their addiction,” Commissioner Kershaw will tell the National Press Club today.

“As a society, we have to ensure parents are not buying meth over milk.”

The children of meth addicts are victims, absolutely tragic victims, of their parents’ drug use. Likewise, the families and friends of those who allow themselves to become addicted are also victims.

So too are those targeted by drug addicts who steal.

Misery radiates from drug addicts like ripples in a pond.
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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 10:09am
 
He's got you there, leftards.

CESTERETE THEM.
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Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 10:53am
 
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American Beauty star Mena Suvari reveals she struggled with meth addiction - after turning to the drug to 'numb' the pain of repeated sexual abuse and rape that she endured as a young actress

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9831615/Mena-Suvari-reveals-battled-m...
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Reply #5 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:17am
 
There would have to be a considerable effort in drug users keeping off the drugs after they are "dried out" from their addictions. The memories of how good it felt when they were on the drugs would still haunt their memories. And it would only take a relapse for them to get back into the addiction.

I heard unsubstantiated rumours that smoking is barred in prisons. I doubt that it is true. But, if prisoners are not allowed to smoke, then that is one way of getting people to quit smoking. But, if they retake the habit up again after release, then there is not much we can do about it.
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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:35am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:17am:
I heard unsubstantiated rumours that smoking is barred in prisons. I doubt that it is true.


I think it was banned in all states, except WA (and maybe ACT), about 5 years ago.

New Zealand, as usual, beat us (and possibly the rest of the world) to it by banning smoking in prisons about 10 years ago.
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Reply #7 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:14pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:17am:
There would have to be a considerable effort in drug users keeping off the drugs after they are "dried out" from their addictions. The memories of how good it felt when they were on the drugs would still haunt their memories. And it would only take a relapse for them to get back into the addiction.

I heard unsubstantiated rumours that smoking is barred in prisons. I doubt that it is true. But, if prisoners are not allowed to smoke, then that is one way of getting people to quit smoking. But, if they retake the habit up again after release, then there is not much we can do about it.


It's true. Smoking is banned in all NSW prisons.

Recreational drugs are another matter. Let's hope they remain available.

What else are you supposed to do? Can't smoke, can't go on the internet, can't come to this site to complain about the tinted races.

Not to mention leftards, politicians, public servants, teachers, social workers, psychologists.

Matty can't help it. Might as well take drugs.
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Reply #8 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:58am:
Off the street and letting them dry out without help.

Do this a few times and they may just realise that it hurts a lot and then stop it.

The victims (the children) suffer at the hands of these creeps.

Drug pushers (anyone with over 5 grams) should be shot on the spot and their bodies thrown to pigs for disposal.




You sound like President Duterte.


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Reply #9 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:54pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:17am:
There would have to be a considerable effort in drug users keeping off the drugs after they are "dried out" from their addictions. The memories of how good it felt when they were on the drugs would still haunt their memories. And it would only take a relapse for them to get back into the addiction.

I heard unsubstantiated rumours that smoking is barred in prisons. I doubt that it is true. But, if prisoners are not allowed to smoke, then that is one way of getting people to quit smoking. But, if they retake the habit up again after release, then there is not much we can do about it.


It's true. Smoking is banned in all NSW prisons.

Recreational drugs are another matter. Let's hope they remain available.

What else are you supposed to do? Can't smoke, can't go on the internet, can't come to this site to complain about the tinted races.

Not to mention leftards, politicians, public servants, teachers, social workers, psychologists.

Matty can't help it. Might as well take drugs.


No alcohol. No smokes. No illicit drugs. Drug out those criminals who spend more than 6 months in prison. Perhaps they can come out of prison sober, drug free and have a new outlook on life. I hope they have a library available for them to whittle away the days they spend in prison.
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Reply #10 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:17am:
There would have to be a considerable effort in drug users keeping off the drugs after they are "dried out" from their addictions. The memories of how good it felt when they were on the drugs would still haunt their memories. And it would only take a relapse for them to get back into the addiction.

I heard unsubstantiated rumours that smoking is barred in prisons. I doubt that it is true. But, if prisoners are not allowed to smoke, then that is one way of getting people to quit smoking. But, if they retake the habit up again after release, then there is not much we can do about it.


It's true. Smoking is banned in all NSW prisons.

Recreational drugs are another matter. Let's hope they remain available.

What else are you supposed to do? Can't smoke, can't go on the internet, can't come to this site to complain about the tinted races.

Not to mention leftards, politicians, public servants, teachers, social workers, psychologists.

Matty can't help it. Might as well take drugs.


No alcohol. No smokes. No illicit drugs. Drug out those criminals who spend more than 6 months in prison. Perhaps they can come out of prison sober, drug free and have a new outlook on life. I hope they have a library available for them to whittle away the days they spend in prison.


Yes, but I don't think Matty's too fond of librarians either.

Put them on the list, Matty. They're almost as bad as teachers.
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Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:42pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:58am:
Off the street and letting them dry out without help.

Do this a few times and they may just realise that it hurts a lot and then stop it.

The victims (the children) suffer at the hands of these creeps.

Drug pushers (anyone with over 5 grams) should be shot on the spot and their bodies thrown to pigs for disposal.




You sound like President Duterte.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/President_Rodrigo_Dute...


The sooner someone takes that evil, murderous count out, the better.

And i do NOT mean to dinner and a show.
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Reply #12 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 9:28pm
 
Cannabis users are not 'drug addicts'.

Nor are they violent, and nor do they steal and bash to 'finance a habit'.

Most cannabis users these days are older people with health issues who use it for
its many proven therapeutic benefits.

I helps everything from insomnia to loss of appetite, PTSD, epilepsy, COPD and a
multitude of other ailments, and is an effective, non-addictive substitute for many
dangerous prescription drugs like opioids and anti-psychotics.

But the perpetually-ignorant and the deliberately mal-informed still picture 1960s
'hippies' lying around on beaches and believe current users are the same - which
couldn't be further from reality.
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Reply #13 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 12:20pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
No alcohol. No smokes. No illicit drugs. Drug out those criminals who spend more than 6 months in prison. Perhaps they can come out of prison sober, drug free and have a new outlook on life. I hope they have a library available for them to whittle away the days they spend in prison.


Yes, but I don't think Matty's too fond of librarians either.

Put them on the list, Matty. They're almost as bad as teachers.


I should not ask. But, I do not see what that has to do with anything I wrote. No alcohol in prison will help sober up alcoholics. No drugs will dry out the addicts. Smokers might quit smoking. Get these arseholes to quit their addictions in prison. Maybe, they won't be arseholes after they get out into the public afterwards.
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Reply #14 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 30th, 2021 at 12:20pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 28th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
No alcohol. No smokes. No illicit drugs. Drug out those criminals who spend more than 6 months in prison. Perhaps they can come out of prison sober, drug free and have a new outlook on life. I hope they have a library available for them to whittle away the days they spend in prison.


Yes, but I don't think Matty's too fond of librarians either.

Put them on the list, Matty. They're almost as bad as teachers.


I should not ask. But, I do not see what that has to do with anything I wrote. No alcohol in prison will help sober up alcoholics. No drugs will dry out the addicts. Smokers might quit smoking. Get these arseholes to quit their addictions in prison. Maybe, they won't be arseholes after they get out into the public afterwards.


Sure, but how are you supposed to control them without drugs?

Thoughts?
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