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Jul 18^th, 2021 at 9:41am

Are collecting data and feeding data to the police.

Big brother is watching

How long before they are used as new Greed revenue macjhines?????

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‘Secret’ data that stops car crashes

EXCLUSIVE
JACK MORPHET

CRASHES are down by more than half and near-misses are down two-thirds around Pennant Hills since the NorthConnex tunnel opened in October.

While the crash data is obvious enough, the new information about near-misses is thanks to GPS chips hidden away in most cars and trucks built since 2014.

If drivers swerve or brake hard in one of these vehicles, it is recorded and mapped.

Toll road operator Transurban has hailed the technology

as the future of road safety.

“This is shaping up as the ‘missing gap’ in road analytics, using accurate and realtime data to proactively identify trends and patterns before a crash happens,” Transurban head of operations Adam Lloyd said.

“Transurban will use this new data to complement our existing safety data analysis to manage our network, and continue to work with government on road safety initiatives that address existing issues such as hot spots and well as new and emerging trends.”

The data has revealed nearmisses on Pennant Hills Rd and nearby side roads have reduced by almost two-thirds during peak periods since the NorthConnex tunnel opened.

Preliminary road safety data compiled by the Centre for Road Safety has also revealed crashes on Pennant Hills Rd have more than halved north of the M2 and south of the M1 above the NorthConnex tunnel since it was opened, but the data is still subject to change.

In the first four months the NorthConnex tunnel was open, between November 2020 and February 2021, there were 10 crashes on Pennant Hills Rd that resulted in six people being injured.

In the same four-month period a year before the tunnel was built, between November 2019 and February 2020, there were 22 crashes on Pennant Hills Rd that resulted in 14 people being injured.

Entrepreneur Emily Bobis, 26, is a co-founder of the company Compass IoT, which is making sense of more than a billion “packets” of information collected every day from vehicles on Sydney roads.

When a new Bunnings distribution centre opened in Eastern Creek, car data revealed M7 motorists were forced to swerve or slam on the brakes to avoid increased traffic banked back on the motorway. The traffic light sequence was changed as a result.

“When a vehicle swerves or brakes suddenly we get the data from the manufacturer,” Ms Bobis said.

“Road safety data has tended to rely on police reports from accidents where someone has been seriously injured or killed and trends take two or three years to develop.”

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47443 At my desk.	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #1 - Jul 18^th, 2021 at 9:54am hmmm So they need secret data to discover traffic backed up on the motorway due to congestion at an exit?
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Reply #2 - Jul 18^th, 2021 at 10:45am

Valkie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2021 at 9:41am:

Are collecting data and feeding data to the police.

Big brother is watching

How long before they are used as new Greed revenue macjhines?????

Quote:

‘Secret’ data that stops car crashes

EXCLUSIVE
JACK MORPHET

CRASHES are down by more than half and near-misses are down two-thirds around Pennant Hills since the NorthConnex tunnel opened in October.

While the crash data is obvious enough, the new information about near-misses is thanks to GPS chips hidden away in most cars and trucks built since 2014.

If drivers swerve or brake hard in one of these vehicles, it is recorded and mapped.

Toll road operator Transurban has hailed the technology

as the future of road safety.

“This is shaping up as the ‘missing gap’ in road analytics, using accurate and realtime data to proactively identify trends and patterns before a crash happens,” Transurban head of operations Adam Lloyd said.

“Transurban will use this new data to complement our existing safety data analysis to manage our network, and continue to work with government on road safety initiatives that address existing issues such as hot spots and well as new and emerging trends.”

The data has revealed nearmisses on Pennant Hills Rd and nearby side roads have reduced by almost two-thirds during peak periods since the NorthConnex tunnel opened.

Preliminary road safety data compiled by the Centre for Road Safety has also revealed crashes on Pennant Hills Rd have more than halved north of the M2 and south of the M1 above the NorthConnex tunnel since it was opened, but the data is still subject to change.

In the first four months the NorthConnex tunnel was open, between November 2020 and February 2021, there were 10 crashes on Pennant Hills Rd that resulted in six people being injured.

In the same four-month period a year before the tunnel was built, between November 2019 and February 2020, there were 22 crashes on Pennant Hills Rd that resulted in 14 people being injured.

Entrepreneur Emily Bobis, 26, is a co-founder of the company Compass IoT, which is making sense of more than a billion “packets” of information collected every day from vehicles on Sydney roads.

When a new Bunnings distribution centre opened in Eastern Creek, car data revealed M7 motorists were forced to swerve or slam on the brakes to avoid increased traffic banked back on the motorway. The traffic light sequence was changed as a result.

“When a vehicle swerves or brakes suddenly we get the data from the manufacturer,” Ms Bobis said.

“Road safety data has tended to rely on police reports from accidents where someone has been seriously injured or killed and trends take two or three years to develop.”

"Built in chips" ..... doesn't say anything about the e-toll tags that you get from the tollways company and can be placed in any car by youy no matter what year they were made... not just 2014 on.

Do you honestly read the articles you post?

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GPS chips "hidden away" in most cars and trucks built since 2014

E-tags are clearly visible on the windscreens inside the cars that have been fitted with them by their owners.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47443 At my desk.	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #3 - Jul 18^th, 2021 at 10:46am They can detect vehicle average speed from the bluetooth in your phone.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72257 Gender:	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #4 - Jul 18^th, 2021 at 4:04pm Valkie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2021 at 9:41am: Are collecting data and feeding data to the police. where does it say the information is fed to police?
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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #5 - Jul 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm Sounds like the data collected is just identifying incidents that occur in traffic, rather than identifying cars or drivers, so what's the OP's problem?
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Reply #6 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:08am

Wolseley wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like the data collected is just identifying incidents that occur in traffic, rather than identifying cars or drivers, so what's the OP's problem?

When, in the history of mankind, has any grubberment in any country been content to let an opportunity for revenue go to waste?

They can easily identify the car, its speed and quite a few other factors.

Ill bet there is a dirty, sneaky little public servant working out exactly how they can do this without creating mass destruction of these toll devices (and subsequent reduction in tolls and bribes for politicians)

The only thing stopping them using these things right now.
Is that people would simply no longer use them.
This would impact badly on toll road profitability, road congestion on alternative routes, and more importantly, the bribes given to public officials to allow this toll rorting to go on.

But, as I said, some dirty, sneaky little public servant is working away furiously to work out how.

Given time, they will work out a way.
This services app is one way.

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16096 Central Coast Gender:	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #8 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:17am Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:13am: https://i.ibb.co/BBqcmqk/EV4-MXc-Xk-AIRxbb.jpg You shouldnt post things like that. The idiots in this forum may believe you. Then again, id they do, it might save some lives on the road. Yes, better cut those things off guys.
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Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:27am

Valkie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:08am:

Wolseley wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like the data collected is just identifying incidents that occur in traffic, rather than identifying cars or drivers, so what's the OP's problem?

When, in the history of mankind, has any grubberment in any country been content to let an opportunity for revenue go to waste?

They can easily identify the car, its speed and quite a few other factors.

Ill bet there is a dirty, sneaky little public servant working out exactly how they can do this without creating mass destruction of these toll devices (and subsequent reduction in tolls and bribes for politicians)

The only thing stopping them using these things right now.
Is that people would simply no longer use them.
This would impact badly on toll road profitability, road congestion on alternative routes, and more importantly, the bribes given to public officials to allow this toll rorting to go on.

But, as I said, some dirty, sneaky little public servant is working away furiously to work out how.

Given time, they will work out a way.
This services app is one way.

Argh, aye - one o' them 'lesser men'! And paid well for it, too!

News article yesterday about the new $9.50 toll on the M5 tunnel - causing trucks to travel through Bexley - prang put an 88 yo man on death row in hospital. Must be a Covid death...

Roads are made for traffic - not for profit.

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Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:32am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:27am:

Valkie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:08am:

Wolseley wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like the data collected is just identifying incidents that occur in traffic, rather than identifying cars or drivers, so what's the OP's problem?

When, in the history of mankind, has any grubberment in any country been content to let an opportunity for revenue go to waste?

They can easily identify the car, its speed and quite a few other factors.

Ill bet there is a dirty, sneaky little public servant working out exactly how they can do this without creating mass destruction of these toll devices (and subsequent reduction in tolls and bribes for politicians)

The only thing stopping them using these things right now.
Is that people would simply no longer use them.
This would impact badly on toll road profitability, road congestion on alternative routes, and more importantly, the bribes given to public officials to allow this toll rorting to go on.

But, as I said, some dirty, sneaky little public servant is working away furiously to work out how.

Given time, they will work out a way.
This services app is one way.

Argh, aye - one o' them 'lesser men'! And paid well for it, too!

News article yesterday about the new $9.50 toll on the M5 tunnel - causing trucks to travel through Bexley - prang put an 88 yo man on death row in hospital. Must be a Covid death...

Roads are made for traffic - not for profit.

Dont you believe it.
Since cars and trucks have been on the road, the grubberment has looked for more and more ways to scam every cent.
Tax on cars
Tax on petrol (and a tax on the petrol tax)
Registration
Fines
Tolls

If every driver today decided that they would no longer drive, but simply get rid of their cars and use public transport or even stay home.
The grubberment would be broke in a month.

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:50am Do you own a mobile phone Valkie? You clearly own a computer.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131546 Gender:	Re: those nice little toll things in your car....... Reply #12 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:54am Toll roads? No such thing in the west.
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Reply #13 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 10:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:54am:

Toll roads? Grin

No such thing in the west.

Great, isn't it? Cool

I seem to recall rumours many years ago about tolls being charged to use the Northbridge Tunnel (the 'Polly Pipe') but, even if it were true, the State government of the time (and all others since) came to the correct conclusion that any government that introduced road tolls in Perth and WA would be committing political suicide.

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Reply #14 - Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 10:02am

Valkie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:32am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:27am:

Valkie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2021 at 9:08am:

Wolseley wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like the data collected is just identifying incidents that occur in traffic, rather than identifying cars or drivers, so what's the OP's problem?

When, in the history of mankind, has any grubberment in any country been content to let an opportunity for revenue go to waste?

They can easily identify the car, its speed and quite a few other factors.

Ill bet there is a dirty, sneaky little public servant working out exactly how they can do this without creating mass destruction of these toll devices (and subsequent reduction in tolls and bribes for politicians)

The only thing stopping them using these things right now.
Is that people would simply no longer use them.
This would impact badly on toll road profitability, road congestion on alternative routes, and more importantly, the bribes given to public officials to allow this toll rorting to go on.

But, as I said, some dirty, sneaky little public servant is working away furiously to work out how.

Given time, they will work out a way.
This services app is one way.

Argh, aye - one o' them 'lesser men'! And paid well for it, too!

News article yesterday about the new $9.50 toll on the M5 tunnel - causing trucks to travel through Bexley - prang put an 88 yo man on death row in hospital. Must be a Covid death...

Roads are made for traffic - not for profit.

Dont you believe it.
Since cars and trucks have been on the road, the grubberment has looked for more and more ways to scam every cent.
Tax on cars
Tax on petrol (and a tax on the petrol tax)
Registration
Fines
Tolls

If every driver today decided that they would no longer drive, but simply get rid of their cars and use public transport or even stay home.
The grubberment would be broke in a month.

I know - I was stating the principle....

Downe at Ye Olde Briefinge Roome:-

Colonel:- "Right, lads - we're convoying to the coast via the M5 to put a stop to that alien invasion... any questions?"

SAYL (smart arsed young lieutenant): "Does anyone have cash or card or thing-o for the toll?"

Colonel:- "Buggar - never thought of that... bloody government ....."

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