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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #15 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Brian questions the juridico-legal as it applies to the claim of self-defence, opening the range of suspects up to Rocky, who we may reasonably assume based on previous posts to be white.

This places Brian under suspicion of Spineless Apologism for not virtue-signalling Rocky and questioning his legal defence of not being tinted and thus innocent.

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Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Why would it be? You are allowed to kill someone that is trying to kill you, even if their intent is mainly to rob you of your vehicle.

And the other scenario would be to just deny being the person who killed the carjacker. Even security footage does not guarantee a conviction. You deny the allegation. The police have to use forensics to make a case against you. The likelihood that a magistrate would convict someone who had denied being the one to kill a carjacker would be minimal. No confession. And the fact that the hypothetical footage of someone killing a carjacker would mean that the accused would have to be found not guilty.

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Reply #17 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:24pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Brian questions the juridico-legal as it applies to the claim of self-defence, opening the range of suspects up to Rocky, who we may reasonably assume based on previous posts to be white.

This places Brian under suspicion of Spineless Apologism for not virtue-signalling Rocky and questioning his legal defence of not being tinted and thus innocent.

Not being a learned person, I can only somewhat surmise what you were trying to say. Do you mean that Brian would question the legality of my assertion that it is legal to kill a carjacker armed with a deadly weapon trying to carjack someone? And the reason why Brian would question my assertion is that I am white and NOT automatically innocent of carrying out self-defence that includes homicide?

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #18 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:27pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Rocky's playing it safe. He's going with everybody but he: them - as in we don't want them here.

Not racist. They're an inferior meta-species.

I would not care if they are born in the same country as me, or they came off the most recent plane trip from Africa. If someone was going to try to kill me, I would kill them.

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:27pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 7:57am:

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Teens charged over machete carjackings

JO SEYMOUR

THREE teens, aged 16 and 17, one of whom allegedly had a machete, have been charged over two carjackings and a pursuit across Sydney’s west on Saturday.

Police allege a woman was forced out of her Toyota Corolla by two males, one of whom was armed with a machete, in Montrose Rd, Abbotsford about 12.24pm.

Police officers initiated a chase of the car but called it off because of the way it was being driven.

About 15 minutes later, a woman and her child were allegedly threatened with a machete and had their black BMW SUV stolen in Palmer St, Guildford West.

With help from Polair, the SUV was followed for three hours until it collided with another car at the intersection of the Cumberland Hwy and M4, at South Wentworthville.

Police said the SUV was stopped and three teens were arrested. During a search of the car police allegedly seized a machete and hunting knife.

One of the 16-year-olds was charged with two counts of assault with intent to rob in company, and two counts of taking and driving a conveyance without consent of owner and predatory driving.

The second 16-year-old was charged with two counts of robbery in company and two counts of being carried in a conveyance taken without consent of owner.

The 17-year-old was charged with assault with intent to rob armed with offensive weapon, and two counts of being carried in a conveyance taken without consent of owner and robbery armed with offensive weapon.

Matty, pondering the nationality of the alleged offenders, posing a simple question about their origins and leaning on the precedent of FD: sometimes a question is just a question.

Matty carefully sidesteps any racialist accusations by framing the paradox in nationalist terminology, as opposed to race. Matty thus absolves himself of any claims of race-baiting at the outset: not racist, so unfair.

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:30pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Why would it be? You are allowed to kill someone that is trying to kill you, even if their intent is mainly to rob you of your vehicle.

Where is that enshrined under legislation, UnSub? Or is that something you're allowed to do in Queensland if the other person is tinted?

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And the other scenario would be to just deny being the person who killed the carjacker. Even security footage does not guarantee a conviction. You deny the allegation. The police have to use forensics to make a case against you. The likelihood that a magistrate would convict someone who had denied being the one to kill a carjacker would be minimal. No confession. And the fact that the hypothetical footage of someone killing a carjacker would mean that the accused would have to be found not guilty.

An interesting defence. Don't know how you'd go against the circumstantial evidence... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:37pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Brian questions the juridico-legal as it applies to the claim of self-defence, opening the range of suspects up to Rocky, who we may reasonably assume based on previous posts to be white.

This places Brian under suspicion of Spineless Apologism for not virtue-signalling Rocky and questioning his legal defence of not being tinted and thus innocent.

Not being a learned person, I can only somewhat surmise what you were trying to say. Do you mean that Brian would question the legality of my assertion that it is legal to kill a carjacker armed with a deadly weapon trying to carjack someone? And the reason why Brian would question my assertion is that I am white and NOT automatically innocent of carrying out self-defence that includes homicide?

You misunderstand the law, it is about reasonable force, in other words if you use force that a reasonable person could be expected to use in self defence then you are safe and probably wont be charged. If you use excessive force then say hello to jail time. Deliberately running over a person if you are not fearful of your life is not reasonable force.

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:42pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Rocky's playing it safe. He's going with everybody but he: them - as in we don't want them here.

Not racist. They're an inferior meta-species.

I would not care if they are born in the same country as me, or they came off the most recent plane trip from Africa. If someone was going to try to kill me, I would kill them.

Thank you, Rocky. You have highlighted a dichotomy between having a birthplace of the same white country as you and that of deepest darkest Africa. One might envisage a spectrum ranging from pure white on the one hand and deviously tinted on the other, with varying degrees of innocence and guilt in between.

You might kill, as it were, but this is mitigated by your self-defence, defending those born in the same country as you, for example, from invasion by those on a recent plane from Africa.

Anyone else?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 15914 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: I wonder what nationality they were? Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 7:37pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:46pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 1:49pm: Probs coconuts. White on the inside, eh? Or just plain tinted. Gordon's going for the Islanders, leftards. South Pacific. Happy talkie talkie, innit. You? Perhaps just hairy... All those coconut fibres. You?
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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 7:40pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Rocky's playing it safe. He's going with everybody but he: them - as in we don't want them here.

Not racist. They're an inferior meta-species.

I would not care if they are born in the same country as me, or they came off the most recent plane trip from Africa. If someone was going to try to kill me, I would kill them.

Thank you, Rocky. You have highlighted a dichotomy between having a birthplace of the same white country as you and that of deepest darkest Africa. One might envisage a spectrum ranging from pure white on the one hand and deviously tinted on the other, with varying degrees of innocence and guilt in between.

You might kill, as it were, but this is mitigated by your self-defence, defending those born in the same country as you, for example, from invasion by those on a recent plane from Africa.

Anyone else?

I'm beginning to think all this tinted crap is just your projection of your own racism onto others.
Methinks the lady man doth protest too much.

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #25 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 8:08pm

rhino wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:37pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I do not care how cheap or expensive my car is during a carjacking. If someone tried to carjack me whilst they held a machete, I would run them over and only concern myself with the damage caused to my vehicle in fleeing from them. The police cannot charge someone with murder for something like that.

You could be charged with "Hit and Run", though... Roll Eyes

Yeah, and then claim self-defense. Or I would deny such actions being perpetrated by me.

Would make an interesting court case... Roll Eyes

Brian questions the juridico-legal as it applies to the claim of self-defence, opening the range of suspects up to Rocky, who we may reasonably assume based on previous posts to be white.

This places Brian under suspicion of Spineless Apologism for not virtue-signalling Rocky and questioning his legal defence of not being tinted and thus innocent.

Not being a learned person, I can only somewhat surmise what you were trying to say. Do you mean that Brian would question the legality of my assertion that it is legal to kill a carjacker armed with a deadly weapon trying to carjack someone? And the reason why Brian would question my assertion is that I am white and NOT automatically innocent of carrying out self-defence that includes homicide?

You misunderstand the law, it is about reasonable force, in other words if you use force that a reasonable person could be expected to use in self defence then you are safe and probably wont be charged. If you use excessive force then say hello to jail time. Deliberately running over a person if you are not fearful of your life is not reasonable force.

Yes, but what if we were to apply Rocky's legal defense of hacking a planeload of deepest darkest Africans to death in order to defend his compatriots from an undisclosed country with the use, as an example, of a shovel?

What if one merely asked them nicely to dig a hole and lie down in it, before covering them with the dust from whence they, metaphorically (and not at all racist) came?

These are not absolutes surely, but shades of grey. What if the tinted criminals under discussion, as it were, had it coming?

Thoughts?

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Reply #28 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 8:33pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Rocky's playing it safe. He's going with everybody but he: them - as in we don't want them here.

Not racist. They're an inferior meta-species.

I would not care if they are born in the same country as me, or they came off the most recent plane trip from Africa. If someone was going to try to kill me, I would kill them.

Thank you, Rocky. You have highlighted a dichotomy between having a birthplace of the same white country as you and that of deepest darkest Africa. One might envisage a spectrum ranging from pure white on the one hand and deviously tinted on the other, with varying degrees of innocence and guilt in between.

You might kill, as it were, but this is mitigated by your self-defence, defending those born in the same country as you, for example, from invasion by those on a recent plane from Africa.

Anyone else?

I'm beginning to think all this tinted crap is just your projection of your own racism onto others.
Methinks the lady man doth protest too much.

Now now, Setanta, one is simply participating in a free and open debate. Matty opened it up to all, and these are fundamentally important questions as I'm sure you'll agree.

Now, you referenced the subject of faecal matter with the descriptor, if you'll permit me, of tinted. This, as we are all aware, is a racial pejorative, and one we are all familiar with on this board. It is hardly an innocent conjuncture. Any semiotic analysis must include the likelihood that you are are comparing Rocky's invading hoardes from deepest darkest Africa with human stool, and not merely waste, but rank, putrid and malodorous, nothing more than vile objects of contamination to be flushed out to sea, back to where they came from.

You will, of course, deny such attributions, but there they are, in your own words. Thoughts?

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Re: I wonder what nationality they were?
Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2021 at 8:46pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

But, but
If you hit s roo, there is no problem.

Why woukd it be a problem running over a monkey?

A perfectly reasonable question. Thanks, Matty, for expanding the debate.

We are all free to exterminate native vermin, it is true. Why not subhuman foreign primates?

Leftards? We haven't yet heard from you.

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