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Question: Is bwyannnnnnnnnn ever going to accept the truth
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Not a chance, too invested    
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Not likely, he will never accept truth    
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Unlikely, too pig headed to back down    
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Only if he has a hint of honesty in him    
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Of course he will, he da man, tut tut    
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Reply #15 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.    Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Bbbwian is 'reasoning' WHILE his bweath is taken away, don't you know. Oh, yeth, my wordy me, tsk, tsk.  House of beaute and 'air removal (sorry about the Islamoiphobic/wacist Mediterranean (ahem) reference smuggled in there at the end.) Vewy, vewy intolerant. Oh yeth.

Because we must not notice, let alone recognise that there are diffewences between peoples, populations, cultures. It's all the same. 'It's like anything' - that's all you need to know or say.
That's all Bbwian knows or says, after all. Oh, and I almost forgot - he says tut tut  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   

A LOT.  Convey emotions when thinking has abandoned and let you down once again. Bbwianesque.





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Reply #16 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.  Where is your refutation of Pascoe's quoting the early explorers/settlers?  MIA it appears.  Instead you rely upon personal ad hominem attacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You haven't actually read these early explorers etc and seen how Pascoe distorted what they said to fit into his narrative, have you?


I'm not the intolerant one trying to push something down everyone's throats at threat of public denunciation unless they comply ....

The Abos didn't farm, they didn't establish townships, they didn't establish governance and organised laws etc, and the land viewed as 'near parkland' was across dry plains where the trees were sparse... give 'em credit for what they could do, bullshittin', campin' and fishin' and leave it at that in the 18th Century...
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #17 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:10pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.  Where is your refutation of Pascoe's quoting the early explorers/settlers?  MIA it appears.  Instead you rely upon personal ad hominem attacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You haven't actually read these early explorers etc and seen how Pascoe distorted what they said to fit into his narrative, have you?


I'm not the intolerant one trying to push something down everyone's throats at threat of public denunciation unless they comply ....

The Abos didn't farm, they didn't establish townships, they didn't establish governance and organised laws etc, and the land viewed as 'near parkland' was across dry plains where the trees were sparse... give 'em credit for what they could do, bullshittin', campin' and fishin' and leave it at that in the 18th Century...


You left off being a parasite and begging.
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #18 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:11pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.  Where is your refutation of Pascoe's quoting the early explorers/settlers?  MIA it appears.  Instead you rely upon personal ad hominem attacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You haven't actually read these early explorers etc and seen how Pascoe distorted what they said to fit into his narrative, have you?

I'm not the intolerant one trying to push something down everyone's throats at threat of public denunciation unless they comply ....

The Abos didn't farm, they didn't establish townships, they didn't establish governance and organised laws etc, and the land viewed as 'near parkland' was across dry plains where the trees were sparse... give 'em credit for what they could do, bullshittin', campin' and fishin' and leave it at that in the 18th Century...


Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has claimed.   Still no effort to refute what the early explorers/settlers saw.  If anybody is attempting to "push" anything, it is you and your companion Racists.  No hint that Pascoe could be, might be, right.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:18pm
 
They're not an inferior human species. They're a rudimentary hunter gatherer society due to the isolation and environmental factors.

Just call it what it is without the need to elevate them to some mystic entities.
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Reply #20 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:24pm
 
Because bwyannnnnnn obviously has difficulty reading true facts.

Here it is again,

OK;

After considerable reading of subject matter from several Qualified and Accredited academics.
There is nothing at all to back up Pascoes lies about Farming or cities of aboriginals pre-colonization.

Dr Christopher Lloyd , Emeritus Professor of Economic History in School of Business, University of New England, Armidale
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.


There were areas of partially sedentary material culture where food sources were abundant, such as some river valleys and coastlines. There were, however, no permanent dwellings, no real villages and very few possessions.
Nomadic foraging was by far the dominant socioeconomic system.
As with foragers elsewhere, however, here there was a wide variety of activity, dependent to a large degree on the environment in which people lived.

Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.   



Furthemore;
Dr Ian Keen is Honorary Associate Professor, School of Archaeology and Anthropology, College Arts & Social Sciences at the Australia National University in Canberra. His distinguished academic career spans more than forty years.

Historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey

Academic, who specialised in covering research in history, anthropology and botany, Bill Gammage, in his 2011 book, The Biggest Estate on Earth.

Rhys Jones (archaeologist)

All of the above have stated professionally that Australian Aboriginals were not and have never been true farmers.
They use the term "Firestick" farming (setting fire to control growth).
Which was probably misinterpreted by the semi-literate lazy researcher Pascoe as farming in an agricultural term.


All state that Aborigines never lived in cities or even villages, but may have lived in collectives where food sources were plentyful.
And that housing structures did not nor ever have existed.

The "fish traps" so revered in myth and lore were the result of natural phenomenon and some opportunistic placement of rocks to make traps.
Not unheard of in primitive people and certainly not indicative of an established farming and coordinated enterprise.


Again;
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.   


My conclusion, which will be refuted by Pascoe's worshipers, is that Australian Aborigines were nothing more than Primitive hunter gatherers.
Sure, some took advantage of some natural elements and< as they do, Loved setting fires.

But there is not one shred of true evidence that agriculture, aquaculture or building is/or has been found to date.

Finally;
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To amateurs like us, all this controversy over how to define the economies of pre-colonial Aboriginal societies just sounds like semantics.
Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.
It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a  ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no
Treaty was required
.


Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know -
Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers and fishers with many complex tools and practices. They were not farmers.
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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:08pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Back to your piss-warm, yawny safe place, Bwian. Doctorate and all.


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Reply #23 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 11:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 7:11pm:
Still no effort to refute what Pascoe has claimed.   Still no effort to refute what the early explorers/settlers saw.  If anybody is attempting to "push" anything, it is you and your companion Racists.  No hint that Pascoe could be, might be, right.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Are you blind and racist?  Many learned people have refuted Pascoeism and these have been laid out for you time and again.... why don't you look instead of crying racist at every turn?

I personally do not need to refute Pascoe - apart from the on the face of it silliness he puts forward, his sources are not as he says in many cases, and he fills out deficiencies with conjecture... there are countless refutations out there in Academialand, and the longer this non-issue goes on, the more people are chiming in to pick his ideas apart with facts and genuine writings of settlers etc.

Jesus, man - I read a book yesterday about early Western Sydney area, and the bloke said they rode for miles through was was near parkland because of the lack of trees - not one thing to do with 'Aboriginal husbandry' - the soil was rough, the water low - hence not so many trees... when they came near water, there were more trees (well, DUH!), and hardly a Kaffir in sight anyway to do any 'husbandry'.  Sometimes people were being speared if caught alone.... but still no Kaffir apart from one at a homestead who loved a drink.

Your racist name-calling won't get you anywhere, but it will certainly turn good people away from helping the Kaffir any more...
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Reply #24 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:03am
 
The tribes around Sydney had been devastated by the Smallpox epidemic of 1789.  An epidemic, which on the surface, appears to have come from the white colonists.  In addition, the Sydney area was well known amongst the Indigenous Australians as having been a bit of a "desert" as far as flora and fauna which was edible was concerned.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Of course, that information is suspect as it came from the accounts of the early explorers/settlers, right?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:42am
 
Brian is a shill for the White Supremacists, working hard towards alienating all the decent people with his endless personal attacks and thus hoping to bring them into the fold of White Supremacism.

So if your Kaffir were decimated by smallpox, who the did they sustain that magnificent husbandry of the land?
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Reply #26 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:44am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:03am:
The tribes around Sydney had been devastated by the Smallpox epidemic of 1789.  An epidemic, which on the surface, appears to have come from the white colonists.  In addition, the Sydney area was well known amongst the Indigenous Australians as having been a bit of a "desert" as far as flora and fauna which was edible was concerned.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Of course, that information is suspect as it came from the accounts of the early explorers/settlers, right?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Ah so the endless parklands you could gallop a horse through had nothing to do with 'Aboriginal Husbandry'?  How odd...

Honestly.... you and Pascoe...  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:23am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.  Where is your refutation of Pascoe's quoting the early explorers/settlers?  MIA it appears.  Instead you rely upon personal ad hominem attacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


In the very journal that is being discussed here.

None so blind ......
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Reply #28 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:28am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:08pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




You are definitely retarded.
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Reply #29 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:30am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:03am:
The tribes around Sydney had been devastated by the Smallpox epidemic of 1789.  An epidemic, which on the surface, appears to have come from the white colonists.  In addition, the Sydney area was well known amongst the Indigenous Australians as having been a bit of a "desert" as far as flora and fauna which was edible was concerned.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Of course, that information is suspect as it came from the accounts of the early explorers/settlers, right?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What smallpox has to do with Pascoes claims is anyones guess.

I'd suggest you're clutching at your feel good straws.
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