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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51802 At my desk.	Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data Reply #60 - Jun 6^th, 2021 at 7:58am Quote: Measured Temperature in the real world from sophisticated machines like satellites and radiosonde equipment. Do you know how to measure atmospheric temperature with a satellite?
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Reply #61 - Jun 6^th, 2021 at 10:28am

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

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Measured Temperature in the real world from sophisticated machines like satellites and radiosonde equipment.

Do you know how to measure atmospheric temperature with a satellite?

I know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature and then how they get the land temperature.

You should look it up, so you stop asking me every time.... Kiss

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Reply #62 - Jun 7^th, 2021 at 3:43pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

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Measured Temperature in the real world from sophisticated machines like satellites and radiosonde equipment.

Do you know how to measure atmospheric temperature with a satellite?

I bet those satellites, if they could have had them in use 130 years ago, would have shown a great difference in the temperature for the areas that recorded temperatures on the ground.

Practically every city has grown around the world. Many of the environmental detectors have undergone influences from a growing population. More urban heat. More or less humidity. If the city has less trees (such as those being remove to make way for housing and development), you would see less humidity. New nearby parks around the cities would encourage more humidity. More shade in some areas cooling the region. Or more heat from the roads.

Anyway you look at it, the measurements recorded have been skewed because of development.

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Reply #63 - Jun 19^th, 2021 at 7:24am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2021 at 3:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

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Measured Temperature in the real world from sophisticated machines like satellites and radiosonde equipment.

Do you know how to measure atmospheric temperature with a satellite?

I bet those satellites, if they could have had them in use 130 years ago, would have shown a great difference in the temperature for the areas that recorded temperatures on the ground.

Practically every city has grown around the world. Many of the environmental detectors have undergone influences from a growing population. More urban heat. More or less humidity. If the city has less trees (such as those being remove to make way for housing and development), you would see less humidity. New nearby parks around the cities would encourage more humidity. More shade in some areas cooling the region. Or more heat from the roads.

Anyway you look at it, the measurements recorded have been skewed because of development.

You left out GHG emissions.

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I know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature

How?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19719 Gender:	Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data Reply #64 - Jun 19^th, 2021 at 1:45pm freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 7:24am: You left out GHG emissions. CO2? SO2? Remember that increasing CO2 has a logarithmic decreasing effect. CO2 doubling is not going to raise temperatures by 7C as postulated by some.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51802 At my desk.	Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data Reply #65 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am Quote: CO2 doubling is not going to raise temperatures by 7C as postulated by some. How much then?
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Reply #66 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 10:29am

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am:

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CO2 doubling is not going to raise temperatures by 7C as postulated by some.

How much then?

What have we got 410ppm to go to 820ppm.

Dont worry FD we're not going to have a runaway greenhouse effect if CO2 doubles dude.

And the temperature may go up by about no more than 1°C.

So stop listening to the doomsayers you might end up doing something you will regret...... Kiss

You do realise that in the last 600 million years today atmospheric CO2 level is one of the lowest.

Only one other time has it been this low in 600 million years.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51802 At my desk.	Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data Reply #67 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 2:06pm Can you explain how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Reply #69 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 2:43pm

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am:

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CO2 doubling is not going to raise temperatures by 7C as postulated by some.

How much then?

Studies show it is likely less than 2C. The IPCC says 1.5C - 4.5C. The CMIP6 models suggest 7C. But they run hotter than CMIP5.

Also remember Temperature is an intensive property. That means it can't be added, subtracted or averaged - and yet that is what the "global temperature" purports to do.

That is the difference between intensive and extensive. Extensive can be added, subtracted, averaged etc. Sugar, coins etc are extensive. 5c coin + 10c coin = 15cents. It can be divided also.

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Reply #70 - Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:35am

Ajax wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 2:06pm:

Can you explain how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?

You still haven't found out for yourself...?!?!

Just google it buddy it can explain it much better than I can.... Kiss

What I have found is that even the scientists using satellite data to measure atmospheric temperature do not know how to do it. So you are either very special, or just another lying climate skeptic.

Which is it?

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Also remember Temperature is an intensive property. That means it can't be added, subtracted or averaged - and yet that is what the "global temperature" purports to do.

I have seen a lot of stupid things posted here, but I think this is a new low.

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Reply #71 - Jun 26^th, 2021 at 1:06pm

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:35am:

What I have found is that even the scientists using satellite data to measure atmospheric temperature do not know how to do it.

Exactly how did you find this? Wink

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:35am:

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Also remember Temperature is an intensive property. That means it can't be added, subtracted or averaged - and yet that is what the "global temperature" purports to do.

I have seen a lot of stupid things posted here, but I think this is a new low.

So tell us where it is wrong. If the temperature at you place is 26C and the temperature at my place is 45C we can't average it, subtract it or added together. Unlike that sugar - if you have 1kg and I have 2kg - between us we have 3kg; I have 1kg more that you, if we average it we would have 1.5kg each. Roll Eyes

https://study.com/academy/answer/why-is-temperature-an-intensive-property.html

https://www.lorecentral.org/2018/12/20-examples-of-intensive-and-extensive-prope...

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Reply #72 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 2:04pm

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2021 at 8:35am:

What I have found is that even the scientists using satellite data to measure atmospheric temperature do not know how to do it. So you are either very special, or just another lying climate skeptic.

Which is it?

You're either a brainwashed sheep or you are on the AGW payroll.

Come on FD fess up which is it.....???..... Kiss

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I have seen a lot of stupid things posted here, but I think this is a new low.

You take the land temperature you take the water temperature add (them together) a bit of pepper and lemon halve it and presto

You get the global average mean temperature.

What is so hard to understand about that makes you think its stupid........ Kiss

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Reply #73 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 2:13pm

Just because satellite data (observations of the real world) or better known as empirical data disagree with the AGW narrative of course they will attack it, anything that goes against the narrative will be attacked you haven't figured this out yet.

We have temperature taken with thermometers in certain places around the world that's land and sea, they do not cover all the Earth mind you, just bits and pieces here and there.

So you add land and sea or ocean temperatures halve it and you get the global mean average temperature.

Of course these data sets have been fiddled with to agree with those HOPELESS climate models that cannot tell you what will happen tomorrow let alone in a hundred years.

Unless they too are fiddled with after the fact.

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