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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #135 - May 10th, 2021 at 7:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 1:31pm:
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Socialism with Chinese characteristics' is a clever combination of private sector free enterprise in "invisible hand" markets overseen by public sector subsidization of R&D on behalf of national productivity enhancement.

Nothing like the soviet 'command economy' model.

IP "theft" is long past, you can thank Trump for the fact China is now developing its own technological prowess. 

As for running foul of the CCP: if you join the majority who are pleased to participate in the unparalleled increase in living standards for everyone, promised and implemented by the Party, instead of pushing obsolete "me first" policies,  you will be as free as anyone in a hyper-partisan western democratic rabble.

And in Xinjiang, China of course has to deal with backward Islamist terrorists ...which is why the mainlanders are outraged by false Western propaganda re genocide; such false claims have alienated mainland Chinese even more from  Western hypocrites who bombed the Taliban for 20 years ( and failed), and who tolerate systemic disadvantage in their own nations eg high black incarceration and poverty  rates in the US and Australia.


People here don't get locked up unless they're criminals & commit crime ..... regardless of colour you DH.
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #136 - May 10th, 2021 at 7:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 11:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 5:08pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 4:50pm:
It is realistic revisionism.  There have been numerous works since which have shown that Australia panicked and it shows.

What was believed and what was realistic were two separate things.  You can believe what you like but a realistic viewpoint is that Australia was never in danger.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes... I think that's revisionism by definition... It's looking back and reassessing the issue... Reassessments are made by people who live in their times (obviously), such that what happened last year could be considered realistic revisionism.

80 years ago there was credible belief, fear and panic about a Japanese invasion of northern Australia... To look back nearly 4 generations and conclude that they shouldn't have panicked because it never happened is anachronistic revisionism by (ab)using the distance of time, the benefit of modern experience / sensibility and the benefit of hindsight.

Even if you, yourself, could be transported back in time to 1942, knowing what you know now, how many people would believe you?


Japan lacked the resources to be a credible threat to Australia.  The most they could have achieved would be an invasion and capture of Darwin.  Most of Australia's population and industry was in the SE corner of the continent.  It was never in danger of attack.  The Japanese lacked the ability and the means to mount one.   They could not force a decision on the Australian Government.   The US was too concerned with it's own affairs in the Pacific.   It did not fear an attack on Australia and neither did the British.   QED.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cairns, Townsville? The Brisbane Line?


What about them?  The Brisbane Line never existed except in Eddie Ward's imagination.  Cairns and Townsville are Australian towns.  Any other questions?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Selective editing & more selective response.

Even MacArthur mentioned the Brisbane Line.

Despite any evidence disappearing how does an idea/plan that was obviously discussed get knocked back by the powers that be if it hadn't been first mooted by someone as an option?

And don't say it wasn't because the evidence is there to say it was discussed before it was rejected.

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In late July 1942, three raids were made against Townsville which was by then the most important air base in Australia. Three Kawanishi flying boats dropped bombs on the harbour on the night of 25–26 July and lone flying boats returned on the nights of 27–28 and 28–29 July.


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Two weeks after the attack on Darwin, Broome suffered Australia's second worst air raid on 3 March when 70 people were killed and 24 aircraft including 16 flying boats were destroyed. Simultaneous to the raid on Broome, eight Japanese fighters hit Wyndham. Broome was again hit on 20 March, the same day that Derby suffered its only raid. Horn Island was hit on 14 March and additional raids against Horn Island met no air resistance but ceased in August 1942.


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A final raid took place on the Australian east coast on the night of 30 July when a single bomb was dropped near a house at Cairns.


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https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/air_raids#:~:text=In%20late%20July%201942%2C%20three,28%20and%2028%E2%80%9329%20July.


tsk tsk dearie dearie DH
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #137 - May 10th, 2021 at 9:55pm
 
The sooner we decouple from China the better.  China is the psycho crazy girlfriend - controlling, irrational, bat-eating.  And she wants you to LIKE bat soup.  China is weird and mad.

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Reply #138 - May 11th, 2021 at 1:31am
 
Bertie wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 9:55pm:
The sooner we decouple from China the better.  China is the psycho crazy girlfriend - controlling, irrational, bat-eating.  And she wants you to LIKE bat soup.  China is weird and mad.


That is both a funny and intelligent way of describing the CCP. The crazy girlfriend. I called my ex-girlfriend "nutsy".
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #139 - May 11th, 2021 at 9:27am
 
Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 11:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 5:08pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 4:50pm:
It is realistic revisionism.  There have been numerous works since which have shown that Australia panicked and it shows.

What was believed and what was realistic were two separate things.  You can believe what you like but a realistic viewpoint is that Australia was never in danger.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes... I think that's revisionism by definition... It's looking back and reassessing the issue... Reassessments are made by people who live in their times (obviously), such that what happened last year could be considered realistic revisionism.

80 years ago there was credible belief, fear and panic about a Japanese invasion of northern Australia... To look back nearly 4 generations and conclude that they shouldn't have panicked because it never happened is anachronistic revisionism by (ab)using the distance of time, the benefit of modern experience / sensibility and the benefit of hindsight.

Even if you, yourself, could be transported back in time to 1942, knowing what you know now, how many people would believe you?


Japan lacked the resources to be a credible threat to Australia.  The most they could have achieved would be an invasion and capture of Darwin.  Most of Australia's population and industry was in the SE corner of the continent.  It was never in danger of attack.  The Japanese lacked the ability and the means to mount one.   They could not force a decision on the Australian Government.   The US was too concerned with it's own affairs in the Pacific.   It did not fear an attack on Australia and neither did the British.   QED.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cairns, Townsville? The Brisbane Line?


What about them?  The Brisbane Line never existed except in Eddie Ward's imagination.  Cairns and Townsville are Australian towns.  Any other questions?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Selective editing & more selective response.

Even MacArthur mentioned the Brisbane Line.


Macarthur mentioning something doesn't make it true.  He once claimed there was a pass on the Kokoda Track that could be defended by half a dozen men...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Despite any evidence disappearing how does an idea/plan that was obviously discussed get knocked back by the powers that be if it hadn't been first mooted by someone as an option?


Only Eddie Ward believed that evidence had been hidden or had disappeared.  He was a lunatic and his view was unsupported.  A Royal Commission found there was no evidence to support his claims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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And don't say it wasn't because the evidence is there to say it was discussed before it was rejected.


It was rejected because it was unfeasible.

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In late July 1942, three raids were made against Townsville which was by then the most important air base in Australia. Three Kawanishi flying boats dropped bombs on the harbour on the night of 25–26 July and lone flying boats returned on the nights of 27–28 and 28–29 July.


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Two weeks after the attack on Darwin, Broome suffered Australia's second worst air raid on 3 March when 70 people were killed and 24 aircraft including 16 flying boats were destroyed. Simultaneous to the raid on Broome, eight Japanese fighters hit Wyndham. Broome was again hit on 20 March, the same day that Derby suffered its only raid. Horn Island was hit on 14 March and additional raids against Horn Island met no air resistance but ceased in August 1942.


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A final raid took place on the Australian east coast on the night of 30 July when a single bomb was dropped near a house at Cairns.


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https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/air_raids#:~:text=In%20late%20July%201942%2C%20three,28%20and%2028%E2%80%9329%20July.


tsk tsk dearie dearie DH


Minor pin-pricks.  It doesn't make it any more of a threat.  It is like suggesting the Japanaese mini-sub attack against Sydney was mounted as a pre-cursor to an invasion.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #140 - May 11th, 2021 at 11:53am
 
Bertie wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 9:55pm:
The sooner we decouple from China the better.  China is the psycho crazy girlfriend - controlling, irrational, bat-eating.  And she wants you to LIKE bat soup.  China is weird and mad.


The sooner non Anglo populous in Australia decouple from Tyrant Anglo Saxon corrupt elite  the better.
Anglo Yobbo are the psycho crazy convicts - controlling, irrational, barbie-eating and raping each other in the Parliament.  And they wants you to LIKE snake soup.  Yobbo are very weird and mad all the time singing Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi.
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Reply #141 - May 11th, 2021 at 12:04pm
 
athos wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Bertie wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 9:55pm:
The sooner we decouple from China the better.  China is the psycho crazy girlfriend - controlling, irrational, bat-eating.  And she wants you to LIKE bat soup.  China is weird and mad.


The sooner non Anglo populous in Australia decouple from Tyrant Anglo Saxon corrupt elite  the better.
Anglo Yobbo are the psycho crazy convicts - controlling, irrational, barbie-eating and raping each other in the Parliament.  And they wants you to LIKE snake soup.  Yobbo are very weird and mad all the time singing Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi.
Cheesy



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By non anglo you mean all your CCP plants & a few other Chinese here?
 
Most Australian Chinese don't want anything to do with China or the CCP.

That's why they're here.
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #142 - May 11th, 2021 at 12:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 12:04pm:
athos wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Bertie wrote on May 10th, 2021 at 9:55pm:
The sooner we decouple from China the better.  China is the psycho crazy girlfriend - controlling, irrational, bat-eating.  And she wants you to LIKE bat soup.  China is weird and mad.


The sooner non Anglo populous in Australia decouple from Tyrant Anglo Saxon corrupt elite  the better.
Anglo Yobbo are the psycho crazy convicts - controlling, irrational, barbie-eating and raping each other in the Parliament.  And they wants you to LIKE snake soup.  Yobbo are very weird and mad all the time singing Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi.
Cheesy



No second prizes Pharkwit

By non anglo you mean all your CCP plants & a few other Chinese here?
 
Most Australian Chinese don't want anything to do with China or the CCP.

That's why they're here.


Yup - they come here, they like it, they settle.  Not many go back.

Yum - snake soup.  A prime delicacy... not as universally known as Corona brand batshit soup ....
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Reply #143 - May 11th, 2021 at 2:18pm
 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/retaliatory-punishment-chinese-paper-calls-for-strike-...

"China should consider “long-range strikes” if war with the West eventuates, according to an editorial in the country’s pro-government newspaper which threatened potential Chinese bombing of "Australian soil".

Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece, The Global Times, wrote in an editorial Friday he believes China should prepare "to impose retaliatory punishment against Australia" if it interferes with the county's actions in the Taiwan Strait.

"Given that Australian hawks keep hyping or hinting that Australia will assist the US military and participate in war once a military conflict breaks out in the Taiwan Straits, and the Australian media outlets have been actively promoting the sentiment, I suggest China make a plan to impose retaliatory punishment against Australia," he wrote.{


Now who was that rattling the sabre???

Read on....

Now here was I considering the 'surgical' option of removing the CCP's ability to project force via shipping and reduction of their outlying illegally installed bases etc - and this clown is talking about hitting our country... outright bombing....

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Reply #144 - May 11th, 2021 at 5:05pm
 
Mother Britain and her two wayward children out to paint the world red (no pun intended), with the other two kids soon to join. 5 eyes maybe, but definitely one body, one mind and one all encompassing non-elected deep state government.
The intention are clear.
The 5 eyes (maybe 3 in reality) intend to blockade China and hold the country to ransom. They sneaking up into position because the general public would riot if they got wind of the plan and they hoping to push China to react first to justify its intentions while everything is in place to retaliate with force, hoping for a quick win game over. Too late for the public to react to the madness.
Well it will end badly because these people only talk to each other and don't understand the reality around them.

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Reply #145 - May 11th, 2021 at 5:31pm
 
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The [world] intend[s] to blockade China

Yes... The containment of the CSNSP has begun.
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Reply #146 - May 29th, 2021 at 2:14pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 2:18pm:
Now here was I considering the 'surgical' option of removing the CCP's ability to project force via shipping and reduction of their outlying illegally installed bases etc - and this clown is talking about hitting our country... outright bombing....



Here's the view from the Chinese side.

As recently as the Qing dynasty (1912) Taiwan was part of China. Naturally, a strong and resurgent China wants to reassert that sovereignty..and indeed until very recently even the present crop of democracy-loving ideologues in Taiwan contended THEY were the government of China....

So what is the US doing sailing war-ships between a Chinese island and the mainland, as well as arming the island? The US of course was very sensitive when the USSR began arming Cuba.....

Now idiotic Oz politicians  are going all the way with the US, "to protect our freedoms" - freedoms built on the delusional concepts of individual sovereignty and individual rights that don't exist in nature....as confirmed by the ongoing genocide on blacks, with life expectancy, poverty and incarceration rates all unforgivable blights on the Oz nation.

So the days of Europeans rampaging through China - of which Taiwan is a part - are over...unless you want a very bloody nose....
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Reply #147 - May 29th, 2021 at 2:18pm
 
The hypocrisy of the USA is so blatant. The USA occupies part of Cuba against the wishes of the Cuban government.
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Reply #148 - May 29th, 2021 at 2:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 2:14pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11th, 2021 at 2:18pm:
Now here was I considering the 'surgical' option of removing the CCP's ability to project force via shipping and reduction of their outlying illegally installed bases etc - and this clown is talking about hitting our country... outright bombing....



Here's the view from the Chinese side.

As recently as the Qing dynasty (1912) Taiwan was part of China. Naturally, a strong and resurgent China wants to reassert that sovereignty..and indeed until very recently even the present crop of democracy-loving ideologues in Taiwan contended THEY were the government of China....

So what is the US doing sailing war-ships between a Chinese island and the mainland, as well as arming the island? The US of course was very sensitive when the USSR began arming Cuba.....

Now idiotic Oz politicians  are going all the way with the US, "to protect our freedoms" - freedoms built on the delusional concepts of individual sovereignty and individual rights that don't exist in nature....as confirmed by the ongoing genocide on blacks, with life expectancy, poverty and incarceration rates all unforgivable blights on the Oz nation.

So the days of Europeans rampaging through China - of which Taiwan is a part - are over...unless you want a very bloody nose.... 

*yawn* , another China troll. what are they paying  you ? $5 a day for this?
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Reply #149 - May 29th, 2021 at 2:28pm
 
The hypocrisy of the USA is astonishing. The hypocrisy of Ozpolitic China-bashers is astonishing.

"U.S. President James K. Polk, who believed the United States had a “manifest destiny” to spread across the continent to the Pacific Ocean." Not long after this the USA occupied and fought against the Philippines with a million Phillipino deaths.

https://www.history.com/topics/mexican-american-war/mexican-american-war

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The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) marked the first U.S. armed conflict chiefly fought on foreign soil. It pitted a politically divided and militarily unprepared Mexico against the expansionist-minded administration of U.S. President James K. Polk, who believed the United States had a “manifest destiny” to spread across the continent to the Pacific Ocean. A border skirmish along the Rio Grande started off the fighting and was followed by a series of U.S. victories. When the dust cleared, Mexico had lost about one-third of its territory, including nearly all of present-day California, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico.

Causes of the Mexican-American War

Texas gained its independence from Mexico in 1836. Initially, the United States declined to incorporate it into the union, largely because northern political interests were against the addition of a new slave state. The Mexican government was also encouraging border raids and warning that any attempt at annexation would lead to war.

Did you know? Gold was discovered in California just days before Mexico ceded the land to the United States in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Nonetheless, annexation procedures were quickly initiated after the 1844 election of Polk, who campaigned that Texas should be “re-annexed” and that the Oregon Territory should be “re-occupied.” Polk also had his eyes on California, New Mexico and the rest of what is today the U.S. Southwest. When his offer to purchase those lands was rejected, he instigated a fight by moving troops into a disputed zone between the Rio Grande and Nueces River that both countries had previously recognized as part of the Mexican state of Coahuila. 
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