Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 19
Send Topic Print
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? (Read 16074 times)
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
May 8th, 2021 at 12:30pm
 
...

Why is Australia’s Anglo-Saxon elite apparently so keen on a ‘kinetic’ war with China, when it would be catastrophic for their country?
Many high-placed politicians, generals and journalists are ratcheting up tensions with insane talk of a military conflict with Beijing being ‘highly likely’. For the sake of world peace, they need to grow up and shut up.
There’s a “high likelihood” that a “kinetic” war between Australia and China could take place. That’s at least what Major-General Adam Findlay told his special forces troops last year in a confidential briefing now made public in the Australian media this week.
Though the general’s words were never intended to be public, they are now. As the old saying goes, you can’t take back words. Now everyone is aware of the Australian military establishment’s calculations, which are clearly a driving factor in the aggressive rhetoric that’s been coming from the country’s Anglo political establishment.
All of the rhetoric coming from the current Australian government is a textbook example of what the famed American writer Walter Lippmann called “the manufacture of consent,” which morphed into the title of a famous book by renowned philosopher Noam Chomsky and scholar Edward Herman that was, ironically, dedicated to an Australian social psychologist named Alex Carey.
Such a war would obviously take place under a broader context – and it suggests that what they really believe is likely is a larger war between the United States and China, two nuclear-armed states, which Australia would, they assume, have no choice but to join. Such a war would obviously be catastrophic.
Australia is already paying a high price economically for its bellicose stance. In the latest blow, China today announced it had "indefinitely" suspended key economic dialogue with Australia.
The question is, now that the proverbial cat is out of the bag in terms of how Australia judges China as a threat, where do we go from here? The answer, despite what some in the military, political and media establishment might actually want, is that there probably won’t be a war — because a war like this would endanger literally everyone. If you thought Covid-19 is bad, a war like this would be far worse. The Australian elite needs to wise up.
A question one might ask on this topic is why the Australian military, political and media establishment feels so strongly that Australia would have no choice in whether to participate in an American-led war against China. Is this really the kind of “rules-based order” Australians support?

Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #1 - May 8th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
One has to first understand the deep pathological prejudices that run through Anglo Australia towards all things Chinese! The Chinese were brought to Australia as cheap labour, they were payed one third a 'Anglo man's wage' they cleared the forest, built the railroads, dug the gold etc. When they had no more need for them after a couple of generations they sent them back to keep Australia 'As Anglo as possible'. Those who managed to avoid the expulsions did very well economically which even created further prejudice and envy!! After so many generations of Sinophobia you could say it's in the Anglo Australian DNA.
Billy Sing was Australia's greatest sniper during WW1. His father was Chinese, mother English. A movie was made about him a few years back. The entire cast, including his full blood Chinese father, were played by all Anglo actors. Gotta make sure Aussie history and its heroes are all lily Anglo Yobbos.
Another memorable Chinese Australian was Jack Wong Sue from Perth, During 1945, Wong Sue was among members of Z Special Unit who landed in Borneo, as part of Operation Agas who fought for Australia behind Japanese lines.
That’s how it works in the land down under; Maybe some people have changed for the better but the two party cartel is deeply founded on an Anglo supremacy believe system that has to be rooted out!
Currently there are three types of US's slavery relationship, 1st one that is trying to escape as its unbearable, like Germany, while 2nd one where it's so proud of the status and actually is enjoying it, eg: UK.
Worst type is the one that is not even realized that they are being slaved like Australia.


Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
Mattyfisk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 91863
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #2 - May 8th, 2021 at 12:44pm
 
Western imperialist is like a running dog
Cowering in the wind of great socialist thinking!
A million people march together as one
None can stop history!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #3 - May 8th, 2021 at 12:49pm
 
athos wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 12:35pm:
Currently there are three types of US's slavery relationship, 1st one that is trying to escape as its unbearable, like Germany, while 2nd one where it's so proud of the status and actually is enjoying it, eg: UK. Worst type is the one that is not even realized that they are being slaved like Australia.



And what type is the Chinese version?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
The_Barnacle
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6205
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #4 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:00pm
 
Quote:
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?


It's actually mostly the Murdoch press and the Right Wing commentators who are talking up a war.
It's incredibly irresponsible because the last thing we want is a war with our biggest trading partner and world super power. They would squash us like a fly.

I suspect they are doing it because there is nothing the Right Wing like more than a good war, there are also clearly racist undertones and it is a good distraction from Scotty@marketting incompetent government.
Back to top
 

The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.
 
IP Logged
 
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #5 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:03pm
 
Two party cartel Aussie politicians are put in their positions by billionaires not voters. Therefore whatever they will do will be to generate profit for their creators.. this means western politicians need to deliver wars, vaccinations and steal more natural resources from poor countries to generate more profit for billionaires... Nobody cares about working Australians.
Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #6 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:08pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:00pm:
Quote:
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?


It's actually mostly the Murdoch press and the Right Wing commentators who are talking up a war.
It's incredibly irresponsible because the last thing we want is a war with our biggest trading partner and world super power. They would squash us like a fly.

I suspect they are doing it because there is nothing the Right Wing like more than a good war, there are also clearly racist undertones and it is a good distraction from Scotty@marketting incompetent government.


Good try, US, using Australian elites to cow China by war threats.  China does not want a war but defend itself it must.  These threats of war can only deepen hostility between them and would not help Australia in recovering lost trade with China.  The next move may hurt more, as China launches recycling, importing scrap metal and reducing steel exports.
China doesn't want war with anyone. It's just that the declining west cannot compete economically and is resorting to saturating the populations of it's vassal countries like Australia with agitprop. The same methods the western "democratic" elite have been using since 1914 or earlier if you take into account the US war of independence. It's their method of control as opposed to the honest jackboot.
Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #7 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:10pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:00pm:
Quote:
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?


It's actually mostly the Murdoch press and the Right Wing commentators who are talking up a war.
Uh, no. To even a  casual observer it is the Chinese doing the sabre rattling. Xi ping is doing this opbviously to take the domestic heat off his humiliation on the world stage.

Quote:
It's incredibly irresponsible because the last thing we want is a war with our biggest trading partner and world super power. They would squash us like a fly.
nah, the only chance of war with Chine is if we were to ally with the US against an invasion of Taiwan or the South China sea, China has zero ability to invade Australia and zero interest in cutting off trade completely with Australia. Trade ceases with Australia due to conflict and their economy collapses within a week and they start starving.

Quote:
I suspect they are doing it because there is nothing the Right Wing like more than a good war, there are also clearly racist undertones and it is a good distraction from Scotty@marketting incompetent government.

I suspect you just made that up for convenience.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #8 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:12pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 12:44pm:
Western imperialist is like a running dog
Cowering in the wind of great socialist thinking!
A million people march together as one
None can stop history!


You don't need a reason to start a war. That seems to apply for US and its vassals. Nothing more obvious than in the case of Australia. China is not a geopolitical threat, its largest customer etc and it goes beyond baffling what Australia is doing. And the worst scenario is to sound the war cry when the whole region is stable and busy with real stuff.
Australia seems to want the narrative of war to have the pretext for scapegoating China, like a, "Look what you made me do." This is for indoctrinating the people. Australians will suffer economically through the actions of the government and that will be channeled into the finger pointing towards China. There are no consequences for accepting this lie, only if you don't go along with it.
The prevailing group-think in Australia is based on an addiction to war (clarified by Australian involvement in sequential US-led wars).  As with their predecessors, modern day crusaders are also engaging in an ideological war (to transform/integrate other nations into their system they believe to be superior (behavior associated with supremacist ideology).  In the process, they have destroyed successive nations through their aggression. But China is not Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria.  While diplomacy remains a priority, China has the capability to retaliate and to impose costs.  Indeed, as certain Western bloc nations intensify their adversarial behavior (due to hysteria over the rise of China during the decline of the West), more tangible costs will likely be experienced by those who behave as adversaries of China.  Note: In a war scenario, US military simulations establish an unfavorable outcome for the US and its allies in a war scenario against China.  Current Australian warnings it will participate in such a war scenario indicate a lack of awareness of these studies.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Australia - especially with the current government, but it applies to both sides - is the US's yapping poodle. Yap yap yap. It's very annoying, China is telling it to shut up, and if it doesn't stop we can expect adverse consequences.
They won't send missiles or bombs, they'll just destroy our economy as soon as they have arranged alternate supplies of natural resources at acceptable quantities and prices.
And as history has shown us, the US will not lift a finger to help.
Smiley

Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
The_Barnacle
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6205
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #9 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:22pm
 
rhino wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:10pm:
Uh, no. To even a  casual observer it is the Chinese doing the sabre rattling. Xi ping is doing this opbviously to take the domestic heat off his humiliation on the world stage.



China are only sabre rattling, it is the Australian Right Wing commentators who are the only ones talking up a war

rhino wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:10pm:
nah, the only chance of war with Chine is if we were to ally with the US against an invasion of Taiwan or the South China sea, China has zero ability to invade Australia and zero interest in cutting off trade completely with Australia.


But if Australia keep talking up a war it could well become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why buy Australia's Iron Ore when you could cut out the middle man and own it yourself.


Back to top
 

The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.
 
IP Logged
 
athos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Re-educate barbarians

Posts: 6347
Hong Kong
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #10 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:29pm
 
rhino wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:00pm:
Quote:
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?


It's actually mostly the Murdoch press and the Right Wing commentators who are talking up a war.
Uh, no. To even a  casual observer it is the Chinese doing the sabre rattling. Xi ping is doing this opbviously to take the domestic heat off his humiliation on the world stage.

Quote:
It's incredibly irresponsible because the last thing we want is a war with our biggest trading partner and world super power. They would squash us like a fly.
nah, the only chance of war with Chine is if we were to ally with the US against an invasion of Taiwan or the South China sea, China has zero ability to invade Australia and zero interest in cutting off trade completely with Australia. Trade ceases with Australia due to conflict and their economy collapses within a week and they start starving.

Quote:
I suspect they are doing it because there is nothing the Right Wing like more than a good war, there are also clearly racist undertones and it is a good distraction from Scotty@marketting incompetent government.

I suspect you just made that up for convenience.


The White Australian political, military and media establishments are incapable of thinking wisely. Their main goal is to serve America's interest at any cost. Everyone knows that China is not in the business of harming Australia and that China seeks broader cooperation. However, the Australian White elites said, we will do anything the Americans will ask us to do. Just to show them that we are reliable partner. The Australian people must ask themselves, how low Australia can descend.
Back to top
 

Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
IP Logged
 
Valkie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16088
Central Coast
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #11 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:39pm
 
The American economy is failing
The Australian economy is following
The English economy is in trouble.

The poor are starting to revolt
BLM is becoming a serious issue
And the young have nothing to look forward to.

The solution, that has worked many times before
Find a common enemy.
Start a war
Send all the poor and troublesome to fight and die
Spend to build up the economy again

It has worked in two world wars so far
Vietnam was a failure, so was Korea and the muzzo war.
Not big enough to justify the expense and bloodshed.

But a war with China who will merge with Korea as sure as the sky is blue
Will be perfect.
Unless, the world destroys itself, which is high on the cards.
Back to top
 

I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #12 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:42pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:22pm:
 

But if Australia keep talking up a war it could well become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why buy Australia's Iron Ore when you could cut out the middle man and own it yourself.


the Chinese were trying to take control over Australias infrastructure, now thats been stopped. If you are claiming that China somehow has the ability to  invade Australia then you need to be posting in the fringe forum.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #13 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:44pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
The American economy is failing
The Australian economy is following
The English economy is in trouble.

T .
uh, no. The Australian economy has rebounded amazingly well, mainly due to all those exports China "banned"
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
rhino
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male
Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #14 - May 8th, 2021 at 1:47pm
 
athos wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:29pm:
rhino wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on May 8th, 2021 at 1:00pm:
Quote:
Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?


It's actually mostly the Murdoch press and the Right Wing commentators who are talking up a war.
Uh, no. To even a  casual observer it is the Chinese doing the sabre rattling. Xi ping is doing this opbviously to take the domestic heat off his humiliation on the world stage.

Quote:
It's incredibly irresponsible because the last thing we want is a war with our biggest trading partner and world super power. They would squash us like a fly.
nah, the only chance of war with Chine is if we were to ally with the US against an invasion of Taiwan or the South China sea, China has zero ability to invade Australia and zero interest in cutting off trade completely with Australia. Trade ceases with Australia due to conflict and their economy collapses within a week and they start starving.

Quote:
I suspect they are doing it because there is nothing the Right Wing like more than a good war, there are also clearly racist undertones and it is a good distraction from Scotty@marketting incompetent government.

I suspect you just made that up for convenience.


The White Australian political, military and media establishments are incapable of thinking wisely. Their main goal is to serve America's interest at any cost. Everyone knows that China is not in the business of harming Australia and that China seeks broader cooperation. However, the Australian White elites said, we will do anything the Americans will ask us to do. Just to show them that we are reliable partner. The Australian people must ask themselves, how low Australia can descend.

I really have to laugh at your complete misunderstanding of Australian society and culture sometimes, our political structure and relation to
the media seem to display a child like  incomprehensible puzzle to you Chinese. And thats why the CCP is failing.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 19
Send Topic Print