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May 1st, 2021 at 3:21pm
 
Covid: Australians could face jail
or fines if they return from India


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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56953052


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Australian citizens returning home from India could face up to five years in jail and fines after the government made the journey temporarily illegal.

The health ministry said the ruling had been made "based on the proportion of people in quarantine who have acquired a Covid-19 infection in India".

Earlier this week, Australia banned all flights from India.

There are an estimated 9,000 Australians in India, 600 of whom are classed as vulnerable.

This will be the first time Australians have been criminalised for returning to their country, Australian media report.

One doctor told ABC that the government's move was disproportionate to the threat posed by those returning from India.

"Our families are quite literally dying in India overseas... to have absolutely no way of getting them out - this is abandonment," GP and health commentator Dr Vyom Sharmer said.

From Monday, anyone who has been in India within 14 days of their intended arrival date in Australia will be banned from entering the country.

Failing to comply with the new ruling could result in a five-year jail sentence, an A$66,000 (£37,000) fine, or both.

The decision will be reviewed on 15 May, the health ministry said.

"The government does not make these decisions lightly," Health Minister Greg Hunt said in the statement.

"However, it is critical the integrity of the Australian public health and quarantine systems is protected and the number of Covid-19 cases in quarantine facilities is reduced to a manageable level."


An erosion of rights

Frances Mao, BBC News Sydney

There's an inscription inside the front jacket of every Australian passport. It calls for protection and assistance for citizens when they're in strife abroad.

"The Commonwealth of Australia… requests all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer, an Australian citizen, to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may stand in need."

Who would have thought that Australians are now struggling to "pass freely" back into their own country? Re-entering and living in your nation is a basic aspect of citizenship. A right of return is recognised in international law, enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But the problem for stranded Australians is that you can't argue a UN treaty in an Australian court. Citizenship rights - and many other freedoms - aren't guaranteed under their law. Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.
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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm
 

I bet no cricketers will be fined.

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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm:
I bet no cricketers will be fined.






Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2021 at 3:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm:
I bet no cricketers will be fined.






Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.



They shouldn't have left in the first place.

No sympathy.

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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2021 at 3:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm:
I bet no cricketers will be fined.






Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.



Citizenship's good for 'em....  tsk tsk   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2021 at 4:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm:
I bet no cricketers will be fined.








Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.



They shouldn't have left in the first place.

No sympathy.



A little sympathy but you are right. Changed my mind.
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'Australians'
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UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:28pm:
'Australians'


Yep - dinky die, ridgy didge, true blue Aussies now
in India will get a 5 year stretch in jail
if they dare to return here.
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Likely dual-citizens that could stay in India until the heavy cases of coronavirus dies down.
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Reply #9 - May 1st, 2021 at 4:55pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Likely dual-citizens that could stay in India until the heavy cases of coronavirus dies down.



Nah - it could be anyone - it could be you.
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2021 at 5:12pm
 
McGowan slams travellers to India, but urges help for COVID-ravaged country


https://www.smh.com.au/national/mcgowan-slams-travellers-to-india-but-urges-help...

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West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has criticised the thousands of Australians who travelled to India this year but in the same breath urged states and territories to do more to assist “our great friends” on the subcontinent.

Mr McGowan said 4500 Australians travelled to India from January to March as cases in the country began to rise, and estimated a further 1000 may have travelled there in the past month.
“I’m advised there are 9000 Australians wanting to come home from India, so on the basis of my maths that’s at least half of the people in India wanting to come home have probably gone there recently,” he said.


And now they all suddenly want to come back, it seems.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:29pm:
They shouldn't have left in the first place.

No sympathy.



Yep.

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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2021 at 5:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:55pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Likely dual-citizens that could stay in India until the heavy cases of coronavirus dies down.



Nah - it could be anyone - it could be you.


Well, luckily, I am stuck in Rockhampton and not India.
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Reply #12 - May 1st, 2021 at 6:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm:
Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.


“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”

"the many" being the 25 million Australians who don't want Covid getting loose in this country.

Bobby,

you can't have it both ways. We either stop (or slow down) the seemingly endless stream of "returned travellers", more and more of whom are bringing Covid back with them - especially those from India - or we risk unleashing the virus upon the Australian population which would be a disaster especially since winter is almost upon us.

We've had so many "close calls" with this virus over the past 12 months but our luck will eventually run out.

You saw firsthand what happened in Victoria last year with hotel quarantine breaches involving "returned travellers" - months of lockdowns and hundreds of deaths and you weren't too pleased about all the lockdowns (especially the second 112 day one) which was understandable, of course.

I don't believe we would have quite as big a disaster as India if the virus did escape into the wider community here due to our much smaller population numbers and density but, after seeing how many deaths occurred in Victoria last year the number Australia wide could be in the tens of thousands (at least).
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Reply #13 - May 1st, 2021 at 6:09pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 3:22pm:
I bet no cricketers will be fined.






Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.



see, this is one reason why I'm glad we don't have a human rights charter or American style constitution ... idiots like you would use it as an excuse to allow anything.
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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2021 at 6:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:45pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 4:28pm:
'Australians'


Yep - dinky die, ridgy didge, true blue Aussies now
in India will get a 5 year stretch in jail
if they dare to return here.

Good, although the majority of Australians over there are Indian born, others would be permanent residents here and not citizens. Zero sympathy, for cricketers or anyone else, just the type of people who deserve a Darwin award.
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