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Apr 28th, 2021 at 6:39pm
 
Not understanding the consequences of what you do should make you less confident about doing it, not more. Only a moron would argue the opposite.

Although they cannot bring themselves to say it, several of the lunatic climate "skeptics" here seem to have an assumption that the greater the uncertainty we have regarding the impact of GHG emissions on the climate, the more confident we should be in our ability to get away with polluting the atmosphere.

So, they feverishly try to sow doubt doubt over the ability of the scientific community to predict whether it will be raining in western Sydney on this night in 40 years time, all the while completely missing the point that the more doubt that exists, the more cautious we should be.
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Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:01pm
 
And in reality?

"Precautionary principles are the foundations for policy when it has to deal with weakly understood causes of potential catastrophic or irreversible events, and where protective decisions require certain and costly policy interventions that may not solve the problem that they are designed to correct."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/precautionary-...

Climate models - They don't predict accurately. They don't do clouds well. They don't do sea surface temperature well.

They are mere computer games .

And what are these things that cost a lot of money and don't do things well? Renewables, apart frmo Nuclear for a start. They are costly. But don't even mention the subsidies for them.

Carbon Capture and Storage? There are no large scale methods in place - nor planned.

Everyone knows Google. They were going to go completely renewable. The result?

"According to an interview with the engineers, published in IEEE;

    “At the start of RE<C, we had shared the attitude of many stalwart environmentalists: We felt that with steady improvements to today’s renewable energy technologies, our society could stave off catastrophic climate change. We now know that to be a false hope …

    Renewable energy technologies simply won’t work; we need a fundamentally different approach.”

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/what-it-would-really-take-to-reverse-...

So Google engineers couldn't do it. Hands up those who can.

Although I love one caption -

"Yet because CO 2 lingers in the atmosphere for more than a century, reducing emissions means only that less gas is being added to the existing problem. Research by James Hansen shows that reducing global CO 2 levels requires both a drastic cut in emissions and some way of pulling CO 2 from the atmosphere and storing it. "

James Hansen lied. The turnover time for CO2 is less than 10years, according to most scientific studies.
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Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm
 
Thanks for the demonstration Lee. Just like I said.
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Reply #3 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Thanks for the demonstration Lee. Just like I said.



I can't help it if you can't quote the Precautionary Principle correctly. I wonder why that is? Something to do with your serial lying probably. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:19pm
 
Quote:
I can't help it if you can't quote the Precautionary Principle


It's not a person Lee.
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Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:19pm:
It's not a person Lee.



No petal. it is Climate Establishment at science direct as the link said. You are a person, a lying person but a person none the less. That you can't quote from texts is certainly a problem for you. Wink
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Reply #6 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:44pm
 
So I am a liar because I did not give the definition that you prefer? Are you really that thick?
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Reply #7 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 8:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 7:44pm:
So I am a liar because I did not give the definition that you prefer?



No petal. Merely a liar through the three threads. You made up your own Precautionary Principle and treated it as real. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:22pm
 
You are full of crap Lee.

Do you realise that what you quoted is not even a definition of the precautionary principle?
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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
We can't take the risk with our environment -
that's why we need to go all out into research
for large commercial Thorium reactors.
Clean, cheap, safe - cannot melt down - walk away safe -
unlimited energy for the next 10,000 years.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/0#0
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:22pm:
You are full of crap Lee.

Do you realise that what you quoted is not even a definition of the precautionary principle?


You really are that dumb?

You have heard of Science Direct? Nah, probably not. You don't do science. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2021 at 8:52am
 
You are full of crap Lee.

Congratulations on finding their website. I appreciate that must have been a challenge for you. Do you realise that what you quoted is not even a definition of the precautionary principle?
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Reply #12 - May 1st, 2021 at 10:02am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 6:39pm:
Not understanding the consequences of what you do should make you less confident about doing it, not more. Only a moron would argue the opposite.


But we do understand the consequences of what we do, by studying nature and not climate models which at this stage of the game climate models are no better than a donkey kong game.

We have been measuring the temperature of the Earth with satellite data, radiosonde data and the rest for a while now and we have a good idea of what is going on.

The models have been exposed for running too hot and as you will notice they continually bring down their forecasts the further we go into the 21st century.

Because we should be hitting certain plateaus if we are to believe and follow what the models are saying, yet we have not hit these model plateaus since the models predicted what the temperature would be by the end of the 21st century.

Obviously you failed maths and cannot understand what a simple graph looks like so let me explain it to you its like a roller coaster that goes up to the crest of the tracks and then descends down into the valleys giving you butterflies in your tummy.

Now you see that REDLINE there that is what the models are saying.

You see all the other lines that is what has been measured in nature by various methods for the last few decades.

BTW FD this is not my work its the work of climate scientists that do not agree with the AGW theory.

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http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/07/warming-in-the-tropics-even-the-new-rss-sate...
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Reply #13 - May 1st, 2021 at 10:08am
 
HadCRUT4 surface temperature index

The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index produced by the,

a. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the,

b. Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia show the following trends

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

Warming pause ends late 2015 with El Nino event starting late 2015

The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade

That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.


https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

Satellite data from 1979 to 2016 suggest a warming by the year 2100 of 1.07°C.

So we don't have to spend billions of dollars of tax payers money on the stock exchange and giving 10% of this money over to the United Nations to try and keep the temperature to under a 2°C warming by end of 2100.

This will happen all by itself.

This warming is not out of the natural range of warming that is to be expected, coming out of the little ice age.

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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2021 at 10:20am
 
many moons ago............ Kiss

Warming by the end of this century

IPCC computer models in 1990 projected warming by 2100 of………......................................+2.78° C +

Observations in nature the last 30 years suggest warming by end of this century 2100 of..... +1.01° C


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