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Reply #285 - May 6th, 2021 at 12:31pm
 
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Reply #287 - May 6th, 2021 at 12:52pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 9:53am:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?




Tit for tat

I met an halfcaste Aboriginal stockman who was black by any stretch ..... on a Gulf country station 35 years ago ....

he told us he lived on station even though the local Aboriginal township/community was not far away mainly because the full bloods there would single him out as being a "yella fella" & were none to fond.

This & worse happened to many half caste & lighter children in Aboriginal communities & i the main was why many were removed for their own safety.

It simply suits the agenda to drive it home as a deliberately racist motivated emotive "stolen children" perspective.

Children from all racial groups were & still are taken into state care everyday .... on the basis of child safety because of neglect.

Up to 130,000 British children from poor backgrounds who were orphans or deceived were sent to the UK dominions from 1869 to 1967.

Anywhere between 5,000 & 10,000 ended up in Australia...

& along with non indigenous Australian children were placed in institutions ....

stolen children too .... no doubt Roll Eyes

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children#:~:text=Home%20Children%20was%20the%...


No doubt. They weren't removed because of any parental abuse or neglect. They were removed because there was a "kind, caring" network of churches and organisations to place them with infertile couples.

PC gone mad, no?
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Reply #288 - May 6th, 2021 at 12:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 12:31pm:
Using crushed-up Bardi grubs to fight infection. I'll stick to antibiotics.


Not if it was pre-1940s, dear, no.

If you were a shipwrecked sailor or half-dead explorer, I'd say you'd be grateful for the crushed bugs.

You'll get what you're given, dear. You'll eat it and you'll like it.
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Reply #289 - May 6th, 2021 at 1:08pm
 
Never mind the history, the real present of Aboriginal Australia


In 2018–19, 51,500 Indigenous children received child protection services, a rate of 156 per 1,000 Indigenous children—an increase from 134 per 1,000 in 2014–15.
12,600 Indigenous children were the subject of a substantiation in 2018–19. The most common type of substantiated abuse was emotional abuse (47%) followed by neglect (31%).
At 30 June 2019, 21,900 Indigenous children were on care and protection orders. Of these children, 70% (15,300) were on guardianship or custody orders.
1 in 18 Indigenous children (around 18,000) were in out-of-home care at 30 June 2019, two-thirds (64%) of whom were living with relatives, kin or other Indigenous caregivers.
Indigenous children continue to be over-represented among children receiving child protection services, including for substantiated child abuse and neglect, children on care and protection orders and children in out-of-home care.
Based on data from 6 jurisdictions, 84% of Indigenous children who exited out-of-home care to a permanency outcome in 2017–18 did not return to care within 12 months.




Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people according to research released today.
The Australian Institute of Criminology analysed police data from Western Australia and South Australia and national murder rates.
The Institute's Director, Dr Adam Tomison says the study found violent offending is linked to illicit drug use, childhood violence, exposure to pornography and socioeconomic disadvantage.
But he says alcohol is by far the biggest cause of violent offending by indigenous people.



"Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women are disproportionately affected by violence; they are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to family violence than other women, and they are 11 times more likely to die from violent assault," the organisation's executive officer, Sophie Trevitt, told the ABC.






Aborigines are responsible for their own behaviour.
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Reply #290 - May 6th, 2021 at 2:02pm
 
Frank wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 1:08pm:
Never mind the history, the real present of Aboriginal Australia


In 2018–19, 51,500 Indigenous children received child protection services, a rate of 156 per 1,000 Indigenous children—an increase from 134 per 1,000 in 2014–15.
12,600 Indigenous children were the subject of a substantiation in 2018–19. The most common type of substantiated abuse was emotional abuse (47%) followed by neglect (31%).
At 30 June 2019, 21,900 Indigenous children were on care and protection orders. Of these children, 70% (15,300) were on guardianship or custody orders.
1 in 18 Indigenous children (around 18,000) were in out-of-home care at 30 June 2019, two-thirds (64%) of whom were living with relatives, kin or other Indigenous caregivers.
Indigenous children continue to be over-represented among children receiving child protection services, including for substantiated child abuse and neglect, children on care and protection orders and children in out-of-home care.
Based on data from 6 jurisdictions, 84% of Indigenous children who exited out-of-home care to a permanency outcome in 2017–18 did not return to care within 12 months.




Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people according to research released today.
The Australian Institute of Criminology analysed police data from Western Australia and South Australia and national murder rates.
The Institute's Director, Dr Adam Tomison says the study found violent offending is linked to illicit drug use, childhood violence, exposure to pornography and socioeconomic disadvantage.
But he says alcohol is by far the biggest cause of violent offending by indigenous people.



"Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women are disproportionately affected by violence; they are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to family violence than other women, and they are 11 times more likely to die from violent assault," the organisation's executive officer, Sophie Trevitt, told the ABC.






Aborigines are responsible for their own behaviour.


And this is the great kultcha we are supposed to look up to.

A kultcha based on Pedophelia, child neglect, violence and parasitical behaviour.

All the opportunity in the world.....and too lazy to use it.

But beggars extraordinaire,  will beg for anything any time.
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Reply #291 - May 6th, 2021 at 2:08pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 12:52pm:
Gnads wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 9:53am:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?




Tit for tat

I met an halfcaste Aboriginal stockman who was black by any stretch ..... on a Gulf country station 35 years ago ....

he told us he lived on station even though the local Aboriginal township/community was not far away mainly because the full bloods there would single him out as being a "yella fella" & were none to fond.

This & worse happened to many half caste & lighter children in Aboriginal communities & i the main was why many were removed for their own safety.

It simply suits the agenda to drive it home as a deliberately racist motivated emotive "stolen children" perspective.

Children from all racial groups were & still are taken into state care everyday .... on the basis of child safety because of neglect.

Up to 130,000 British children from poor backgrounds who were orphans or deceived were sent to the UK dominions from 1869 to 1967.

Anywhere between 5,000 & 10,000 ended up in Australia...

& along with non indigenous Australian children were placed in institutions ....

stolen children too .... no doubt Roll Eyes

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children#:~:text=Home%20Children%20was%20the%...


No doubt. They weren't removed because of any parental abuse or neglect. They were removed because there was a "kind, caring" network of churches and organisations to place them with infertile couples.

PC gone mad, no?
Absolute nonsense. The public record shows that the removal of part white children was altruistic in motive based on the prevailing views that the children would be neglected or worse by the full bloods because of their part white ancestry.
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Reply #292 - May 7th, 2021 at 8:27am
 
OK;

After considerable reading of subject matter from several Qualified and Accredited academics.
There is nothing at all to back up Pascoes lies about Farming or cities of aboriginals pre-colonization.

Dr Christopher Lloyd , Emeritus Professor of Economic History in School of Business, University of New England, Armidale
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia. 

There were areas of partially sedentary material culture where food sources were abundant, such as some river valleys and coastlines. There were, however, no permanent dwellings, no real villages and very few possessions.
Nomadic foraging was by far the dominant socioeconomic system.
As with foragers elsewhere, however, here there was a wide variety of activity, dependent to a large degree on the environment in which people lived. 

Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.    



Furthemore;
Dr Ian Keen is Honorary Associate Professor, School of Archaeology and Anthropology, College Arts & Social Sciences at the Australia National University in Canberra. His distinguished academic career spans more than forty years.

Historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey

Academic, who specialised in covering research in history, anthropology and botany, Bill Gammage, in his 2011 book, The Biggest Estate on Earth.

Rhys Jones (archaeologist)

All of the above have stated professionally that Australian Aboriginals were not and have never been true farmers.
They use the term "Firestick" farming (setting fire to control growth).
Which was probably misinterpreted by the semi-literate lazy researcher Pascoe as farming in an agricultural term.

All state that Aborigines never lived in cities or even villages, but may have lived in collectives where food sources were plentyful.
And that housing structures did not nor ever have existed.

The "fish traps" so revered in myth and lore were the result of natural phenomenon and some opportunistic placement of rocks to make traps.
Not unheard of in primitive people and certainly not indicative of an established farming and coordinated enterprise.

Again;
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.
 
 


My conclusion, which will be refuted by Pascoe's worshipers, is that Australian Aborigines were nothing more than Primitive hunter gatherers.
Sure, some took advantage of some natural elements and< as they do, Loved setting fires.

But there is not one shred of true evidence that agriculture, aquaculture or building is/or has been found to date.

Finally;
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To amateurs like us, all this controversy over how to define the economies of pre-colonial Aboriginal societies just sounds like semantics.
Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.
It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a  ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no Treaty was required.


Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know - Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers and fishers with many complex tools and practices.
They were not farmers.
 
Dr Ian Keen 

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Reply #293 - May 7th, 2021 at 11:41am
 
rhino wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 12:52pm:
Gnads wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 9:53am:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?




Tit for tat

I met an halfcaste Aboriginal stockman who was black by any stretch ..... on a Gulf country station 35 years ago ....

he told us he lived on station even though the local Aboriginal township/community was not far away mainly because the full bloods there would single him out as being a "yella fella" & were none to fond.

This & worse happened to many half caste & lighter children in Aboriginal communities & i the main was why many were removed for their own safety.

It simply suits the agenda to drive it home as a deliberately racist motivated emotive "stolen children" perspective.

Children from all racial groups were & still are taken into state care everyday .... on the basis of child safety because of neglect.

Up to 130,000 British children from poor backgrounds who were orphans or deceived were sent to the UK dominions from 1869 to 1967.

Anywhere between 5,000 & 10,000 ended up in Australia...

& along with non indigenous Australian children were placed in institutions ....

stolen children too .... no doubt Roll Eyes

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children#:~:text=Home%20Children%20was%20the%...


No doubt. They weren't removed because of any parental abuse or neglect. They were removed because there was a "kind, caring" network of churches and organisations to place them with infertile couples.

PC gone mad, no?
Absolute nonsense. The public record shows that the removal of part white children was altruistic in motive based on the prevailing views that the children would be neglected or worse by the full bloods because of their part white ancestry.


How would you like your kids removed on a "prevailing view", son?
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Reply #294 - May 7th, 2021 at 11:46am
 
Valkie wrote on May 7th, 2021 at 8:27am:
OK;

After considerable reading of subject matter from several Qualified and Accredited academics.
There is nothing at all to back up Pascoes lies about Farming or cities of aboriginals pre-colonization.

Dr Christopher Lloyd , Emeritus Professor of Economic History in School of Business, University of New England, Armidale
Quote:

Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia. 

There were areas of partially sedentary material culture where food sources were abundant, such as some river valleys and coastlines. There were, however, no permanent dwellings, no real villages and very few possessions.
Nomadic foraging was by far the dominant socioeconomic system.
As with foragers elsewhere, however, here there was a wide variety of activity, dependent to a large degree on the environment in which people lived. 

Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.    



Furthemore;
Dr Ian Keen is Honorary Associate Professor, School of Archaeology and Anthropology, College Arts & Social Sciences at the Australia National University in Canberra. His distinguished academic career spans more than forty years.

Historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey

Academic, who specialised in covering research in history, anthropology and botany, Bill Gammage, in his 2011 book, The Biggest Estate on Earth.

Rhys Jones (archaeologist)

All of the above have stated professionally that Australian Aboriginals were not and have never been true farmers.
They use the term "Firestick" farming (setting fire to control growth).
Which was probably misinterpreted by the semi-literate lazy researcher Pascoe as farming in an agricultural term.

All state that Aborigines never lived in cities or even villages, but may have lived in collectives where food sources were plentyful.
And that housing structures did not nor ever have existed.

The "fish traps" so revered in myth and lore were the result of natural phenomenon and some opportunistic placement of rocks to make traps.
Not unheard of in primitive people and certainly not indicative of an established farming and coordinated enterprise.

Again;
Quote:

Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.
 
 


My conclusion, which will be refuted by Pascoe's worshipers, is that Australian Aborigines were nothing more than Primitive hunter gatherers.
Sure, some took advantage of some natural elements and< as they do, Loved setting fires.

But there is not one shred of true evidence that agriculture, aquaculture or building is/or has been found to date.

Finally;
Quote:
To amateurs like us, all this controversy over how to define the economies of pre-colonial Aboriginal societies just sounds like semantics.
Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.
It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a  ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no Treaty was required.


Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know - Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers and fishers with many complex tools and practices.
They were not farmers.
 
Dr Ian Keen 



What do you want, Matty, a kiss?

Pascoe acknowledges that.

They invented a stick.
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Reply #295 - May 7th, 2021 at 11:49am
 
rhino wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 12:52pm:
Gnads wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 9:53am:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?




Tit for tat

I met an halfcaste Aboriginal stockman who was black by any stretch ..... on a Gulf country station 35 years ago ....

he told us he lived on station even though the local Aboriginal township/community was not far away mainly because the full bloods there would single him out as being a "yella fella" & were none to fond.

This & worse happened to many half caste & lighter children in Aboriginal communities & i the main was why many were removed for their own safety.

It simply suits the agenda to drive it home as a deliberately racist motivated emotive "stolen children" perspective.

Children from all racial groups were & still are taken into state care everyday .... on the basis of child safety because of neglect.

Up to 130,000 British children from poor backgrounds who were orphans or deceived were sent to the UK dominions from 1869 to 1967.

Anywhere between 5,000 & 10,000 ended up in Australia...

& along with non indigenous Australian children were placed in institutions ....

stolen children too .... no doubt Roll Eyes

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children#:~:text=Home%20Children%20was%20the%...


No doubt. They weren't removed because of any parental abuse or neglect. They were removed because there was a "kind, caring" network of churches and organisations to place them with infertile couples.

PC gone mad, no?
Absolute nonsense. The public record shows that the removal of part white children was altruistic in motive based on the prevailing views that the children would be neglected or worse by the full bloods because of their part white ancestry.


Met me a part-Aboriginal bloke once, red hair and freckles - one of the Black Aboriginals said to him - "You think you're white - but they (the cops) think you're black, so it's the slammer for you, Boy."

Didn't fit in with either 'side' - not that there ever should be a side... Australians all, innit?

All this division - and for what?  What does anyone hope to gain from any 'treaty' that was never earned or applicable?  What does anyone expect to gain from even obtaining 'land rights'?  They never get richer or better off in any way - just stay the same..... so WTF is this all about?

What would happen if they 'went their own way' without any of whitey's conveniences?  You go your way on your terms, we'll go our way on ours?

I think it's time to STFU and get the idea into their heads that they need to take ownership of their own problems.
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Reply #296 - May 7th, 2021 at 12:23pm
 
As I have said, time and time again.

The abbos have better opportunity, through special programs and free education, to be anything they want to be.

But, and this is the crux of the matter.
They appear to be totally incapable of getting off their collective arses and actually doing something for themselves.

They expect whites to do it all for them, to support them, to feed, cloth and give them houses.
This, they expect, for some arcane reason that they were born here with some genes of a culture of primitive hunter gatherers.

Many of these abbos are more white than I.
I have 4 possibly 5 generations of family born and raised here.
When can I be considered indiginious?
We even have the ridiculious concept of a parasite claiming aboriginality even though he wasn't born here.

It's time all this division, reverse racism and special treatment was abolished.

One rule for all
One law for all
One system for all.

Now watch as the racist abbos get all uptight and start frothing at the mouth.
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Reply #297 - May 7th, 2021 at 1:40pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 10:11pm:
Frank wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:42pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?



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In NSW. She was removed by the Welfare.

You would understand this perfectly well if you, you know, grew here. That's just how it went.

She later met her mother and family, after years of separation. Tears, laughs, the lot. She discovered an entire mob, her mob. Back then, they didn't give parents' details out to adoptees, and she spent years looking. She didn't even know she'd been adopted until she was 14. Didn't know she was a Boong, nothing.

It could never happen today, and it was even illegal then. We've learnt and changed, thank God.

If you think removing babies off black mothers because they're white and there are wealthy white parents willing to adopt, you're worse than I thought, but something tells me your incomprehension is just ignorance, not a defence of such practices.

Your just clueless. After all, you flew here. If I was in your shoes though, I'd keep an open mind and take some time to learn a bit about the place you flew to, our people, our history. You don't have all the answers, none of us do.

But if this story sounds unbelievable to you, you have a lot to learn.


So they just came & took her?

You say because "she wasn't tinted" .... I say BS.

There has to be more to it ......... too many siblings? Not enough resources to manage another child? High likelihood of neglect?
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Reply #298 - May 7th, 2021 at 1:45pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 7th, 2021 at 11:41am:
rhino wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 12:52pm:
Gnads wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 9:53am:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:34pm:
They didn't, dear boy. The person I met, removed in 1969, had siblings left in her mother's care.

She was removed - wait for it - because she wasn't tinted.

You?




Tit for tat

I met an halfcaste Aboriginal stockman who was black by any stretch ..... on a Gulf country station 35 years ago ....

he told us he lived on station even though the local Aboriginal township/community was not far away mainly because the full bloods there would single him out as being a "yella fella" & were none to fond.

This & worse happened to many half caste & lighter children in Aboriginal communities & i the main was why many were removed for their own safety.

It simply suits the agenda to drive it home as a deliberately racist motivated emotive "stolen children" perspective.

Children from all racial groups were & still are taken into state care everyday .... on the basis of child safety because of neglect.

Up to 130,000 British children from poor backgrounds who were orphans or deceived were sent to the UK dominions from 1869 to 1967.

Anywhere between 5,000 & 10,000 ended up in Australia...

& along with non indigenous Australian children were placed in institutions ....

stolen children too .... no doubt Roll Eyes

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children#:~:text=Home%20Children%20was%20the%...


No doubt. They weren't removed because of any parental abuse or neglect. They were removed because there was a "kind, caring" network of churches and organisations to place them with infertile couples.

PC gone mad, no?
Absolute nonsense. The public record shows that the removal of part white children was altruistic in motive based on the prevailing views that the children would be neglected or worse by the full bloods because of their part white ancestry.


How would you like your kids removed on a "prevailing view", son?
I dont live in the 18th century, son.
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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #299 - May 7th, 2021 at 7:10pm
 
No, dear. As I've explained, the prevailing view in 1969 was that Boongs are citizens and have parental rights, as do you. You?

Yes, you. If the Welfare came and took your kids without any parental orders, you'd call the police to bring them back. You'd be most indignant. How dare the Welfare take my kids? You'd say. I want them returned immediately, thank you.

And do you know? The police would go and have a stern word with the Welfare and the caseworker would get the sack. That's rights.

Boongs in 1969? They had rights too, but how many Boongs went and did that? How many white unmarried mothers went and did that?

It's thanks to Boongs and unmarried mothers kicking up a stink that they don't get treated the same way today. If the Welfare came and took your kids I would not assume anything. I'd want to see a court order before I believed you were an evil child neglecter.

You?
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