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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #15 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:18am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 8:05am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

Obviously in the United states where the majority of people are white
And where a tiny tiny percentage are Muslim
Then the majority of people misbehaving will be white

Correct.

Glad to see you finally admit that right-wing extremists/white supremacists are the biggest terrorist threat in the western world.

Took you long enough.

Year 9 maths, innit.

Indeed.

Maybe even year 4.

"White supremacists and other rightwing extremists have been responsible for 67% of domestic terror attacks and plots so far this year, with at least half of that violence targeting protesters, according to a new analysis from a centrist thinktank."

'Targeting protesters'? Such as those friendly BLM and ANTIFA follk.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: White Supremacists Reply #16 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 2:13pm The thing about White Supremacists is even though they are racist bugger heads they do make the best buffalo wings.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: White Supremacists Reply #17 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 2:15pm I keep waiting for a Grand Cyclopse of the KKK to be on Master Cheif wearing his white hood and then. "You are a despicable human being, but the sauce on these wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Magic!"
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Reply #18 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 2:19pm

For 2020:

"White supremacists and other like-minded groups have committed a majority of the terrorist attacks in the United States this year, according to a report by a security think tank that echoed warnings made by the Department of Homeland Security this month.

"The report, published Thursday by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, found that white supremacist groups were responsible for 41 of 61 “terrorist plots and attacks” in the first eight months of this year, or 67 percent.

"The finding comes about two weeks after an annual assessment by the Department of Homeland Security warned that violent white supremacy was the “most persistent and lethal threat in the homeland” and that white supremacists were the most deadly among domestic terrorists in recent years."

"What about the year before?", I hear you ask.

• In 2019, domestic extremists killed at least 42 people
in the United States in 17 separate incidents. This
number makes 2019 the sixth deadliest year on
record for domestic extremist-related killings
since 1970.

• The 42 total deaths in 2019 is less than 2018’s total
(53) but higher than 2017’s (41).

• As is typically the case, the extremist-related
murders of 2019 were overwhelmingly (90%) linked to
right-wing extremists. All but one of the incidents had
ties to right-wing extremism.

• While 2019 was the first year since 2012 that ADL
tracked no killings linked to domestic Islamist
extremism, a deadly shooting incident at Naval Air
Station Pensacola in December appears to be a
foreign terrorist incident.

• Extremist-related killings in 2019 were dominated by
the white supremacist shooting spree at a Walmart in
El Paso, Texas, in August, which left 22 people dead
and 24 more wounded. This attack, intended to target
Hispanic people, was the deadliest attack in modern
times against the Hispanic community in the United
States.

• For the eighth year in a row, domestic extremists
overwhelmingly used firearms to commit mass
killings. Almost half of the people killed by extremists
in the past 10 years were killed in mass murders, all
but one of which involved the use of firearms.

Feb 2020 Report

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 40464 Gender:	Re: White Supremacists Reply #19 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:00pm Statistical slight of hand - not classifying antifa and BLM as terrorism even though they burned down half of America. Also, classifying Pensacola terrorist as a 'foreign' terrorist attack while idiot turd conflates crimes by white people and white supremacists.
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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #20 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:31pm

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Fact-checking claim about deaths, damage from Black Lives Matter protests
Tom Kertscher
PolitiFact.com

This piece was originally published on PolitiFact.comon August 7, 2020

Facebook posts: Black Lives Matter "injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage."

PolitiFact’s ruling: False

Here’s why: Some Facebook commenters focused on professional sports leagues’ support of Black Lives Matter when they read this Facebook post:

"BLM injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage and gets celebrated by pro sports?"

We focused on the rest, and found that the biggest problem with the post, leaving aside the numbers claimed, is the lack of proof that Black Lives Matter caused the violence that is claimed.

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The numbers claimed

The latest flareup of protests against police brutality began May 26 in Minneapolis, where the previous day, George Floyd, a Black man, died after a white police officer kneeled on his neck. As we reported two weeks after the protests began, a review of demonstrations in five major cities found that all of the protests started with violence, but then became largely peaceful.

As for the numbers claimed in the post, the U.S. Justice Department told us it does not have figures on officer injuries or property damage resulting from civil disturbances, and the FBI said it had no comment. There are scattered news reports that don’t entirely back up each part of the claim, and we found no official figures.

Officers injured: The New York Post reported on June 8, citing the U.S. Justice Department, that more than 700 law enforcement officers were injured on the job during nationwide protests over Floyd’s death.

People killed: In early June, news accounts reported the number of people killed during the Floyd protests at roughly a dozen, or as many as 19. The victims include a 77-year-old man who was a retired St. Louis police captain and a 22-year-old woman from Davenport, Iowa.

Damage caused: In late June, Fox News reported that according to insurance experts and city officials, the Floyd protests could eclipse the 1992 Los Angeles riots to become the most expensive civil disturbance in U.S. history. The 1992 riots, which followed the acquittal of four police officers in the beating of Rodney King, cost $1.4 billion in 2020 dollars, according to the report, which did not give a specific damage estimate for the Floyd protests. A spokeswoman for the Insurance Information Institute told Scripps National News that "most likely" the Floyd protest "would lead to higher losses," but did not provide an estimate either.

Black Lives Matter didn’t respond to our requests for comment.

Difficult to flatly blame BLM

There is a Black Lives Matter national organization, which says it has more than a dozen U.S. chapters, along with countless numbers of individuals who support the organization.

As the New York Times reported July 3, four recent polls "suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks. These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts."

There are also people who have participated in demonstrations, which have occurred in hundreds of cities, who may have no allegiance to Black Lives Matter, or may even oppose it, and have rioted or committed other acts of violence — making it even more difficult to determine how a violent incident occurred.

What’s more, news coverage of the protests have also included numerous reports that identify law enforcement officers as causing injury to civilians.

In short, there isn’t evidence to back the numbers in the claim or to blame Black Lives Matter for each part of the claim.

Our rating is False.

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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #21 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:42pm

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:00pm:

Statistical slight of hand - not classifying antifa and BLM as terrorism even though they burned down half of America. Also, classifying Pensacola terrorist as a 'foreign' terrorist attack while idiot turd conflates crimes by white people and white supremacists.

No slight of hand - just the facts.

• As is typically the case, the extremist-related
murders of 2019 were overwhelmingly (90%) linked to
right-wing extremists. All but one of the incidents had
ties to right-wing extremism.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: White Supremacists Reply #22 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 8:04pm Quote: White Supremacists Try looking at the bright side. Did it take right up to 2016 for one of them to be President? Over 220 years.
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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #23 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:00pm:

Statistical slight of hand - not classifying antifa and BLM as terrorism even though they burned down half of America. Also, classifying Pensacola terrorist as a 'foreign' terrorist attack while idiot turd conflates crimes by white people and white supremacists.

No slight of hand - just the facts.

• As is typically the case, the extremist-related
murders of 2019 were overwhelmingly (90%) linked to
right-wing extremists. All but one of the incidents had
ties to right-wing extremism.

Bollocks. Sop to mongs like you.

Fake news and distortions.

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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #24 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:31pm:

Quote:

Fact-checking claim about deaths, damage from Black Lives Matter protests
Tom Kertscher
PolitiFact.com

This piece was originally published on PolitiFact.comon August 7, 2020

Facebook posts: Black Lives Matter "injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage."

PolitiFact’s ruling: False

Here’s why: Some Facebook commenters focused on professional sports leagues’ support of Black Lives Matter when they read this Facebook post:

"BLM injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage and gets celebrated by pro sports?"

We focused on the rest, and found that the biggest problem with the post, leaving aside the numbers claimed, is the lack of proof that Black Lives Matter caused the violence that is claimed.

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The numbers claimed

The latest flareup of protests against police brutality began May 26 in Minneapolis, where the previous day, George Floyd, a Black man, died after a white police officer kneeled on his neck. As we reported two weeks after the protests began, a review of demonstrations in five major cities found that all of the protests started with violence, but then became largely peaceful.

As for the numbers claimed in the post, the U.S. Justice Department told us it does not have figures on officer injuries or property damage resulting from civil disturbances, and the FBI said it had no comment. There are scattered news reports that don’t entirely back up each part of the claim, and we found no official figures.

Officers injured: The New York Post reported on June 8, citing the U.S. Justice Department, that more than 700 law enforcement officers were injured on the job during nationwide protests over Floyd’s death.

People killed: In early June, news accounts reported the number of people killed during the Floyd protests at roughly a dozen, or as many as 19. The victims include a 77-year-old man who was a retired St. Louis police captain and a 22-year-old woman from Davenport, Iowa.

Damage caused: In late June, Fox News reported that according to insurance experts and city officials, the Floyd protests could eclipse the 1992 Los Angeles riots to become the most expensive civil disturbance in U.S. history. The 1992 riots, which followed the acquittal of four police officers in the beating of Rodney King, cost $1.4 billion in 2020 dollars, according to the report, which did not give a specific damage estimate for the Floyd protests. A spokeswoman for the Insurance Information Institute told Scripps National News that "most likely" the Floyd protest "would lead to higher losses," but did not provide an estimate either.

Black Lives Matter didn’t respond to our requests for comment.

Difficult to flatly blame BLM

There is a Black Lives Matter national organization, which says it has more than a dozen U.S. chapters, along with countless numbers of individuals who support the organization.

As the New York Times reported July 3, four recent polls "suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks. These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts."

There are also people who have participated in demonstrations, which have occurred in hundreds of cities, who may have no allegiance to Black Lives Matter, or may even oppose it, and have rioted or committed other acts of violence — making it even more difficult to determine how a violent incident occurred.

What’s more, news coverage of the protests have also included numerous reports that identify law enforcement officers as causing injury to civilians.

In short, there isn’t evidence to back the numbers in the claim or to blame Black Lives Matter for each part of the claim.

Our rating is False.

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Thank you, idiot.
19 deaths are documented.

Almost four times as many as on 6 Jan - all but one of which was demonstrator deaths.
The killer of the woman protester shot there is still not brought to justice.

You can shove gweggy up yer arse, stupid.

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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #25 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:16pm

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:31pm:

Quote:

Fact-checking claim about deaths, damage from Black Lives Matter protests
Tom Kertscher
PolitiFact.com

This piece was originally published on PolitiFact.comon August 7, 2020

Facebook posts: Black Lives Matter "injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage."

PolitiFact’s ruling: False

Here’s why: Some Facebook commenters focused on professional sports leagues’ support of Black Lives Matter when they read this Facebook post:

"BLM injures 1000 police officers kills 36 people and does $8 billion in damage and gets celebrated by pro sports?"

We focused on the rest, and found that the biggest problem with the post, leaving aside the numbers claimed, is the lack of proof that Black Lives Matter caused the violence that is claimed.

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The numbers claimed

The latest flareup of protests against police brutality began May 26 in Minneapolis, where the previous day, George Floyd, a Black man, died after a white police officer kneeled on his neck. As we reported two weeks after the protests began, a review of demonstrations in five major cities found that all of the protests started with violence, but then became largely peaceful.

As for the numbers claimed in the post, the U.S. Justice Department told us it does not have figures on officer injuries or property damage resulting from civil disturbances, and the FBI said it had no comment. There are scattered news reports that don’t entirely back up each part of the claim, and we found no official figures.

Officers injured: The New York Post reported on June 8, citing the U.S. Justice Department, that more than 700 law enforcement officers were injured on the job during nationwide protests over Floyd’s death.

People killed: In early June, news accounts reported the number of people killed during the Floyd protests at roughly a dozen, or as many as 19. The victims include a 77-year-old man who was a retired St. Louis police captain and a 22-year-old woman from Davenport, Iowa.

Damage caused: In late June, Fox News reported that according to insurance experts and city officials, the Floyd protests could eclipse the 1992 Los Angeles riots to become the most expensive civil disturbance in U.S. history. The 1992 riots, which followed the acquittal of four police officers in the beating of Rodney King, cost $1.4 billion in 2020 dollars, according to the report, which did not give a specific damage estimate for the Floyd protests. A spokeswoman for the Insurance Information Institute told Scripps National News that "most likely" the Floyd protest "would lead to higher losses," but did not provide an estimate either.

Black Lives Matter didn’t respond to our requests for comment.

Difficult to flatly blame BLM

There is a Black Lives Matter national organization, which says it has more than a dozen U.S. chapters, along with countless numbers of individuals who support the organization.

As the New York Times reported July 3, four recent polls "suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks. These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts."

There are also people who have participated in demonstrations, which have occurred in hundreds of cities, who may have no allegiance to Black Lives Matter, or may even oppose it, and have rioted or committed other acts of violence — making it even more difficult to determine how a violent incident occurred.

What’s more, news coverage of the protests have also included numerous reports that identify law enforcement officers as causing injury to civilians.

In short, there isn’t evidence to back the numbers in the claim or to blame Black Lives Matter for each part of the claim.

Our rating is False.

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Thank you, idiot.
19 deaths are documented.

Almost four times as many as on 6 Jan - all but one of which was demonstrator deaths.
The killer of the woman protester shot there is still not brought to justice.

You can shove gweggy up yer arse, stupid.

Gweggy says this:

Quote:

The report found only a single deadly “far-left” attack in 2020, the shooting of Aaron Danielson, a rightwing activist, by a self-described “anti-fascist” during a protest in Portland this August.

What say you?

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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #26 - Apr 13^th, 2021 at 8:32am

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:00pm:

Statistical slight of hand - not classifying antifa and BLM as terrorism even though they burned down half of America. Also, classifying Pensacola terrorist as a 'foreign' terrorist attack while idiot turd conflates crimes by white people and white supremacists.

No slight of hand - just the facts.

• As is typically the case, the extremist-related
murders of 2019 were overwhelmingly (90%) linked to
right-wing extremists. All but one of the incidents had
ties to right-wing extremism.

Bollocks. Sop to mongs like you.

Fake news and distortions.

Facts, little Frankie.

You can say bollocks as much as you like, but it's all true.

"The finding comes about two weeks after an annual assessment by the Department of Homeland Security warned that violent white supremacy was the “most persistent and lethal threat in the homeland” and that white supremacists were the most deadly among domestic terrorists in recent years."

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92241 Gender:	Re: White Supremacists Reply #27 - Apr 13^th, 2021 at 11:47am I say, Greggery, do you think the old boy's being a tad mendacious? Do you think he's being a squishy, tendentious, yeah-but-no-but, look-over-there agit-prop propagandist and dissembler for white supremacist terrorism? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.
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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #28 - Apr 13^th, 2021 at 12:11pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 13^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

I say, Greggery, do you think the old boy's being a tad mendacious?

Do you think he's being a squishy, tendentious, yeah-but-no-but, look-over-there agit-prop propagandist and dissembler for white supremacist terrorism?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

You're alone there.

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Re: White Supremacists
Reply #29 - Apr 13^th, 2021 at 12:29pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 13^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

I say, Greggery, do you think the old boy's being a tad mendacious?

Do you think he's being a squishy, tendentious, yeah-but-no-but, look-over-there agit-prop propagandist and dissembler for white supremacist terrorism?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

More than a tad.

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