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RE + Batteries can power the grid in time
Apr 9^th, 2021 at 4:46pm

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Renewable energy and batteries can secure Australia’s electricity grid as effectively as coal and gas, new research suggests.

The research, commissioned by the Australia Institute thinktank and released on Monday, found clean technologies provided the fast frequency response service and voltage control needed to secure the energy grid and reduce cost. But the report says regulatory barriers currently limit the ability of renewable energy and batteries to provide system security.

The electricity grid requires controls to keep frequency and voltage within safe limits – a service historically provided by coal, gas and hydro power stations.

“The business model underpinning coal and gas is collapsing before our eyes and the good news is that batteries and renewable energy are now able to step in and keep the grid secure,” energy economist Prof Bruce Mountain said.

“Renewables already create the cheapest electricity in the market and the last leg the fossil fuel industry had to stand on was the security services they have historically provided. Now we can see that even those services are being delivered in a more reliable and affordable way by renewable energy and that trend will only accelerate in the future.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/29/renewables-plus-batteries...

Minigrids need to ne introduced.

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Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time
Reply #1 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

“The business model underpinning coal and gas is collapsing before our eyes and the good news is that batteries and renewable energy are now able to step in and keep the grid secure,” energy economist Prof Bruce Mountain said.

Yeah we saw proof of that in Texas.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

“Renewables already create the cheapest electricity in the market and the last leg the fossil fuel industry had to stand on was the security services they have historically provided. Now we can see that even those services are being delivered in a more reliable and affordable way by renewable energy and that trend will only accelerate in the future.”

Until you factor in the batteries.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43613 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #2 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:09pm Texas? You been hanging around with Booby for too long.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #3 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:11pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:09pm: Texas? You been hanging around with Booby for too long. Poor petal. Can't debunk the message. Tries to shoot the messenger. FAIL
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43613 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #4 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:12pm You are the state of Texas?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #5 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:14pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:12pm: You are the state of Texas? Poor petal. Now you are really losing the plot.
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Reply #6 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:19pm

I said Texas, you said I shot the messenger. Leaves only one possibility.

I guess the “shooting the messenger” crap is another little discussion stopper? And there are those smilies

Wink

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Can you come up with something fresh you think?

And how ia Texas remotely relevant?

Poor desperate lee.

The news doesn’t get any better, does it?

421ppm CO2 reached.

Study shows RE+Batteries can begin to take over from coal, gas.

Community batteries leading to minigrids which will see more innovation.

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Reply #7 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:19pm:

I said Texas, you said I shot the messenger. Leaves only one possibility.

No petal.I was the messenger. I posted the graph. But you don't want to believe the graph so it is me you were trying to shoot down. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:19pm:

I guess the “shooting the messenger” crap is another little discussion stopper? And there are those smilies

There you go again can't even debunk it. Your go to phrase. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:19pm:

And how ia Texas remotely relevant?

Well let's see.

Texas relied on renewables. The renewables failed. That led to system failure. You did notice how the gas picked up the slack until running low on gas but still maintained a good supply? And you don't think similar could happen here? poor poor petal. Grin

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Reply #8 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:58pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

You are now as big an idiot as Booby is!

Wind was 10%, tops of the energy supply.

It got bloody cold in Texas and the grid etc were not hardened for that sort of cold even tho that sort of cold happens roughly every 10 years.

What sort of clown are you to dribble that sort of poo? Bozo the Clown.

Do some reading, Bozo:

https://history.aip.org/climate/summary.htm

Even you can tackle this.

Then:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2021/direct-observations-confirm-that-human...

https://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/330/6002/356

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #9 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 6:07pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:58pm: Wind was 10%, tops of the energy supply. Funny that wind supplied 22 Gw on the Monday which was more than the coal, gas or nuclear on that day. Did your fail graph studies as well?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #10 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 6:13pm poor petal. Repeating the flawed "Direct observations" paper. Now that is funny. And of course nothing to do with renewables and batteries. And Gavin Schmidt - Climate modeller. You really must tell us about the 1940's to 70's cooling at a time of rapid increase in CO2.
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Reply #11 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 6:35pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

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Renewable energy and batteries can secure Australia’s electricity grid as effectively as coal and gas, new research suggests.

The research, commissioned by the Australia Institute thinktank and released on Monday, found clean technologies provided the fast frequency response service and voltage control needed to secure the energy grid and reduce cost. But the report says regulatory barriers currently limit the ability of renewable energy and batteries to provide system security.

The electricity grid requires controls to keep frequency and voltage within safe limits – a service historically provided by coal, gas and hydro power stations.

“The business model underpinning coal and gas is collapsing before our eyes and the good news is that batteries and renewable energy are now able to step in and keep the grid secure,” energy economist Prof Bruce Mountain said.

“Renewables already create the cheapest electricity in the market and the last leg the fossil fuel industry had to stand on was the security services they have historically provided. Now we can see that even those services are being delivered in a more reliable and affordable way by renewable energy and that trend will only accelerate in the future.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/29/renewables-plus-batteries...

Minigrids need to ne introduced.

Batteries are not even close to filling the gap, the cost of manufacture and their effective life just doesn't stack up

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43613 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #12 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 6:41pm Batteries are improving all the time and coming down in price.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #13 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 7:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 6:41pm: Batteries are improving all the time and coming down in price. Yes. What do they require? More lithium, more cobalt. And millions of tonnes of it. And that means mining.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: RE + Batteries can power the grid in time Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 7:31pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 5:12pm: You are the state of Texas? Lee likes his pretty pictures. He thinks they're some form of abstract art that he's free to interpret as he see's fit.
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