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Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Apr 3rd, 2021 at 2:40pm
 
Good article.

The issue of the virus’s origin has been horrendously politicized, by both the right and the left. The Chinese government and U.S. scientists who are close associates of the Wuhan scientists doing bat coronavirus research have tarred anyone who uttered it as conspiracy theorists, or worse (in their eyes), as pro-Trump.

And although it’s true the Trump administration contributed to this politicization, it’s also true that the Biden administration has confirmed some of the Trump team’s factual claims about suspicious and still-undisclosed work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which amounts to a direct challenge to the lab’s claim that it has been transparent and honest.

Further challenging the official narrative, Redfield told CNN in an interview released last week that he believes the outbreak likely did originate from research in the Wuhan labs, based on how the virus acts. But though he is a trained virologist who saw the underlying intelligence, he was accused of spreading speculation and even fueling hate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-if-the-former-cdc-director-is-right...
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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2021 at 2:48pm
 
Thanks -
I'll post it to my thread:

Then, on Tuesday, World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus rebuked the findings of the WHO’s own joint study with Chinese scientists into the origins and explicitly called for more investigation into the lab-accident theory. The United States and 13 other countries also issued a joint statement calling for a “transparent and independent analysis and evaluation, free from interference and undue influence.”

Richard H. Ebright, a Rutgers University microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me we must begin a difficult, uncomfortable conversation about this investigation’s scope and the vast implications if the theory is true. He said the entire genre of research Redfield was referring to, known as
gain-of-function research

(in which viruses are captured from the wild and developed in lab settings to make them more dangerous), needs to be thoroughly reexamined.

“The very fact that it could have been of laboratory origin, even if that cannot be substantiated, means we need to understand that there is risk in this research that may have triggered the current pandemic and surely could trigger a future pandemic,” he said.
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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #2 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:28pm
 
Mike Pampeo, ex-Secretary of State, said he suspected the origin was from the lab, but when pressed, he said he had seen no evidence. The thing is that it suits Pampeo to have a villain to rail against, if he is going to seek the Republican nomination. He knows that there is nothing like a common enemy to unite people.
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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
Another Trump dickhead who passes of bullshit as fact....Why am I not surprised....Post this to your thread Bobby!!!

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The former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a CNN clip on Friday that he favored a theory, decried by many scientists and rejected as “extremely unlikely” by at least one World Health Organization international expert, that the coronavirus escaped from a lab in Wuhan. The former official, Dr. Robert Redfield, offered no evidence and emphasized that it was his opinion.

“I am of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathogen in Wuhan was from a laboratory, escaped. The other people don’t believe that. That’s fine. Science will eventually figure it out,” Dr. Redfield told Dr. Sanjay Gupta in the video clip, referring to the origin of the virus. A formal report from the W.H.O. team and the Chinese scientists it worked with, on the origins of the pandemic and on the coronavirus in humans, is expected next week.

Despite Dr. Redfield’s comments, officials briefed on the intelligence say there is no new evidence that would cause American spy agencies to reassess their views. There is no new information that bolsters the so-called lab theory, according to officials briefed on the intelligence.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.html
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Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:57pm
 
From the WHO  thread -

"The WHO report also concludes that it’s highly unlikely that the coronavirus escaped from a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Most scientists say that evidence overwhelmingly favours SARS-CoV-2 having spilled over from animals into humans, but a few have backed the idea that the virus was intentionally or accidentally leaked from a lab."

"Nevertheless, the findings are likely to be contested by some. A small group of scientists have sent letters to the media saying that they wouldn’t trust the outcome of the investigation because it was closely overseen by China’s government."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00865-8
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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #5 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:38pm
 
The Chinese have been too secretive about this, they are hiding something. That is apparent, so the lab escape theory seems likely.
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Reply #6 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:46pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:57pm:
From the WHO  thread -

"The WHO report also concludes that it’s highly unlikely that the coronavirus escaped from a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Most scientists say that evidence overwhelmingly favours SARS-CoV-2 having spilled over from animals into humans, but a few have backed the idea that the virus was intentionally or accidentally leaked from a lab."

"Nevertheless, the findings are likely to be contested by some. A small group of scientists have sent letters to the media saying that they wouldn’t trust the outcome of the investigation because it was closely overseen by China’s government."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00865-8


WHO did not investigate lab leak as a possible origin for the kung flu.

When they did gain of function research on H5N1 virus they changed it to allow airborne transmission by running it through around 10 generations of ferrets in a lab. There was no gene editing or creating needed by the lab. This method of running it through generations of ferrets fits the model most scientists agree on with spilling over from animals to humans and it was done in a lab. Our CSIRO were using ferrets to study this kung flu as they share the same ACE2 receptor as humans.

Many scientists were outraged over this it led to a ban on gain of function research in the US.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gain+of+function+research+ban&va=b&t=hc&ia=web

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Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets


Highly pathogenic avian influenza A/H5N1 virus can cause morbidity and mortality in humans but thus far has not acquired the ability to be transmitted by aerosol or respiratory droplet ("airborne transmission") between humans To address the concern that the virus could acquire this ability under natural conditions, we genetically modified A/H5N1 virus by site-directed mutagenesis and subsequent serial passage in ferrets. The genetically modified A/H5N1 virus acquired mutations during passage in ferrets, ultimately becoming airborne transmissible in ferrets.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22723413/


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U.S. Suspends Risky Disease Research


The government will cease funding "gain-of-function" studies that make viruses more dangerous

October 23, 2014

The US government surprised many researchers on October 17 when it announced that it will temporarily stop funding new research that makes certain viruses more deadly or transmissible. The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy is also asking researchers who conduct such ‘gain-of-function’ experiments on influenza, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) to stop their work until a risk assessment is completed — leaving many unsure of how to proceed.

Critics of such work argue that it is unnecessarily dangerous and risks accidentally releasing viruses with pandemic potential — such as an engineered H5N1 influenza virus that easily spreads between ferrets breathing the same air. In 2012, such concerns prompted a global group of flu researchers to halt gain-of-function experiments for a year (see Nature http://doi.org/wgx; 2012). The debate reignited in July, after a series of lab accidents involving mishandled pathogens at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

In 2012, Kawaoka published a controversial paper reporting airborne transmission of engineered H5N1 flu between ferrets. He has since created an H1N1 flu virus using genes similar to those from the 1918 pandemic strain, to show how such a dangerous flu could emerge. The engineered H1N1 was transmissible in mammals and much more harmful than the natural strain.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-suspends-risky-disease-research/



They made the H5N1 bird flu virus to be far more dangerous by speeding up the evolutionary process in generations of ferrets which shows they can do this with a virus without creating a new virus from scratch or using a gene jockey to figure it out that virus also fit the model of natural evolution with virus despite it being  created in a lab.

There is zero zip zilch evidence to support wet market origin for the kung flu.

There is a lot of evidence showing they have had the ability to create this kung flu for over 10 years
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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #7 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:51pm
 
Dan nailed it over a year ago on the possible lab origins of the kung flu.

None of the idiots on this forum can refute anything he wrote i doubt any of them could comprehend any of the links he provides.

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Logistical and Technical Exploration into the Origins of the Wuhan Strain of Coronavirus (COVID-19)


January 31, 2020

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of...


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Re: Robert Redfield: Corona escaped from a lab
Reply #8 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 11:41am
 
I have got an article that is more balanced. 

https://www.ausdoc.com.au/news/story-aussie-doctor-whos-covid19-mission-china

AD: Was the team satisfied that SARS-CoV-2 didn’t escape from a Chinese lab? That still seems to be a widespread, and potentially explosive, suspicion.

Professor Dwyer: A range of hypotheses related to the origins of this virus have been raised and discussed, and to work these up you have to try and rank them as to their likelihood and look at the evidence to justify that ranking.

With the laboratory escape theory, there are a couple of issues.

One is that laboratory escape has occurred in a number of countries around the world, in China, Singapore, Russia, the US and the UK. Fortunately, it's fairly rare.

Generally, these occur in the context of the virus being grown in a culture in the lab, often in quite high amounts.

Unless you're growing the virus or doing experiments with a cultured virus, you tend not to have leaks.

We visited the main lab that people have been talking about — the Wuhan Institute of Virology — which is a very well-known and very good laboratory that does a lot of work with samples from bats and other animals.

We toured the lab — it was just a tour, of course — and saw the high-level biosecurity protocols.

It all looked perfectly fine.

We looked at the sort of work had they done with their staff health.

People who work in these biosecurity labs often will have blood collected each year and stored, and a physical examination takes place to make sure that everything's going OK.

They had tested all the blood collected for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and didn’t find anything.

We also talked with the researchers doing the bat virus research at the lab.

There's one virus of people had been talking about a lot called RaTG13, which is a bat coronavirus that was detected in a cave in southern China. This is the one that is most closely related to SARS-CoV-2.

The point is they have a sequence of the virus, but they haven’t actually been able to culture the virus in the lab.

And even though the two are closely related, RaTG13 still too different to be the parent virus.


With this information in mind, we discussed this fully within the WHO team.

We felt that although we could never completely discount the viral lab escape hypothesis, we rated it as being extremely unlikely.

That doesn't mean that it's been completely discounted, we just rated other hypotheses as more likely to warrant further investigation.
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Reply #9 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 11:46am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Dan nailed it over a year ago on the possible lab origins of the kung flu.

None of the idiots on this forum can refute anything he wrote i doubt any of them could comprehend any of the links he provides.

Quote:
Logistical and Technical Exploration into the Origins of the Wuhan Strain of Coronavirus (COVID-19)


January 31, 2020

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of...


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All could have would have, maybe, this happened there so why not in Wuhan etc?
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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2021 at 6:00pm
 
Robert Redford should have stuck with Paul Newman.

It would have been ok.
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Reply #11 - Apr 9th, 2021 at 7:13pm
 
THE VIRUS CAME FROM CHINA- TRUMP HAD IT RIGHT ALL ALONG- BATS
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Reply #12 - Apr 9th, 2021 at 7:14pm
 
Of course it did.
Patient zero aka Huan Yanling (spelling) has never been seen since.

They even erased all of her ID.... as if she never existed.
China are good at that.   Wink
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