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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #75 - Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

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Reply #76 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:39am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

Using unsubstantiated anecdotes as evidence. Naughty, Rev, very naughty.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #77 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:46am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 10:34pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 10:25pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 9:12pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:01am:

I dont see how it is 'targeting colured' voters. To claim that it is doing so is just insane.

Every normal jurisdiction has a system of ensuring that only eligible voters do vote. How is ensuring that in America 'targeting coloured people'???

The number of people who do not have voter identification documents are disproportionately coloured or disadvantages. Backup methods of ID would solve the issue however creating the problen is the intention of the legislation

Being 'coloured or disadvantage' does not convey automatic voting rights. They still need to be able to prove eligiblility.

The Australian method is eminently sensible. Prove your identity at registration, get crossed off the register when voting showing proof of id, registers are cross checked to detects attempts of multiple voting.

Ive never ever been asked for ID when voting. In fact no one gets asked for ID, you just give them your name and address.

At least where you vote, if voting changed anything it would be illegal. Give me your name and address and I will stand in line and cast your vote for you! Just don't expect me to vote as you would.

the whole country votes like that Mort, we have amazingly little electoral fraud. Probably because Aussies dont like standing in line more than once. Not sure why Frank was claiming that we need ID to vote, perhaps he doesnt have the right to vote and doesnt fully understand the process. And they give us pencils to mark our votes would you believe. Millions of Australians vote with no ID and using pencils and the system works astoundingly well, theres never been a case of someone voting twice in my living memory, and they do cross reference and check. You wonder why we look at you lot and shake our heads and think you are children, aint that difficult for us adults.

It is great for public confidence in your system but how would you know if the vote was rigged? The government said it was fair and honest so you believe it was. Everyone goes home happy because the people believe they have a voice in their government but do they really?

Incorrect, we have a system of independent scrutineers.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #78 - Apr 12^th, 2021 at 1:22pm

rhino wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:46am:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 10:34pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 10:25pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 9:12pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2021 at 11:01am:

I dont see how it is 'targeting colured' voters. To claim that it is doing so is just insane.

Every normal jurisdiction has a system of ensuring that only eligible voters do vote. How is ensuring that in America 'targeting coloured people'???

The number of people who do not have voter identification documents are disproportionately coloured or disadvantages. Backup methods of ID would solve the issue however creating the problen is the intention of the legislation

Being 'coloured or disadvantage' does not convey automatic voting rights. They still need to be able to prove eligiblility.

The Australian method is eminently sensible. Prove your identity at registration, get crossed off the register when voting showing proof of id, registers are cross checked to detects attempts of multiple voting.

Ive never ever been asked for ID when voting. In fact no one gets asked for ID, you just give them your name and address.

At least where you vote, if voting changed anything it would be illegal. Give me your name and address and I will stand in line and cast your vote for you! Just don't expect me to vote as you would.

the whole country votes like that Mort, we have amazingly little electoral fraud. Probably because Aussies dont like standing in line more than once. Not sure why Frank was claiming that we need ID to vote, perhaps he doesnt have the right to vote and doesnt fully understand the process. And they give us pencils to mark our votes would you believe. Millions of Australians vote with no ID and using pencils and the system works astoundingly well, theres never been a case of someone voting twice in my living memory, and they do cross reference and check. You wonder why we look at you lot and shake our heads and think you are children, aint that difficult for us adults.

It is great for public confidence in your system but how would you know if the vote was rigged? The government said it was fair and honest so you believe it was. Everyone goes home happy because the people believe they have a voice in their government but do they really?

Incorrect, we have a system of independent scrutineers.

Who cannot be barred from observing and scrutinising the vote, like Republicans were in some electorates under the guise of 'social distancing', that is, being kept too far away to observe whether signatures of mail-in votes matched.

Remember, the last election turned on about 50-60 thousand votes in 5 states in a country of 330 million.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #79 - Apr 17^th, 2021 at 11:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

It is amazing how the truth just bounces off your head! Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification. Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Have I gotten your attention yet? Unless a Citizen has had their Right to vote denied individually by due process there is no barrier to voting! There is no law preventing kind people from passing out water to those standing in line to vote unless those offering represent a candidate, issue or Political Party! Campaigning on property reserved for voting is illegal!

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #80 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 12:49am

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:39am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

Using unsubstantiated anecdotes as evidence. Naughty, Rev, very naughty.

It is all true - which bit is it you don't like the most ?

Not this one ?

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Matt Gaetz 'tried to recruit and pay a 'ghost' candidate to funnel votes from a Democrat opponent and help his Republican associate win a Florida Senate race'

Matt Gaetz discussed putting a third-party candidate into a Florida state Senate race to help an associate of his who was running for the seat
Recruiting a third-party candidate not illegal but paying person to run is
Report says Gaetz was looking to boost his associate Jason Brodeur
Gatez has now hired two prominent New York attorneys to represent him

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9453619/Matt-Gatez-tried-recruit-party-...

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Reply #81 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 12:57am

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2021 at 11:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

It is amazing how the truth just bounces off your head! Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification. Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Have I gotten your attention yet? Unless a Citizen has had their Right to vote denied individually by due process there is no barrier to voting! There is no law preventing kind people from passing out water to those standing in line to vote unless those offering represent a candidate, issue or Political Party! Campaigning on property reserved for voting is illegal!

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It is amazing how the truth just bounces off your head! Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification. Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Except for the approximate 11% that don't.

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Claim 1: Kobach wrongly takes issue with a 2006 Brennan Center study showing 11% of American citizens do not possess government issued photo ID.

In 2006, the Brennan Center published the results of a telephone survey conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation (ORC), an independent market research firm, on the number of voting-age Americans who have government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship. 11% of all respondents to that survey did not have ready access to government-issued photo ID; the percentages of those without ID were even higher for certain demographic groups. Kobach summarily dismisses the hard numbers without offering any reason to doubt the Brennan Center and ORC findings, other than that he finds them “implausible.” ORC is a respected, global provider of market research, providing polling and research to CNN, among many other partners and clients. Mr. Kobach’s intuition is not a substitute for sound research.

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What is more, Kobach fails to note that the Brennan Center’s findings are consistent with every independent study we have identified before and since:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-misinformation...

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Reply #82 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 5:25am

"certain demographic groups"?????

**ears prick up**

So - er ... these, um, respondents... are they...ummm.. you know .. citizens? Or is this one of those chanting 'discrimination' things when it isn't? Like here when Certain/Usual Suspect demographic groups constantly whine about "Oppression!!!" when they - as CITIZENS - hold every Right HERE same as everyone else?

Non-citoyennes, of course - can't vote or hold office - though they seem to work in the public service a lot... No More Dual Citizens In Government Jobs Of Any Kind!!

Not that kind of thing, is it?

Down at Ye Olde Blacke Ghetto....

"Yo, mah man - we is oppressed 'coz da school education system - it jus' don't teach us to read'n'wrat, so we's all cain' even fill out dat form! Yo!! Votah Ah-Dee is fo' dem WHARTE honkeys, yo' dig? Black Man don' git no say no how!!"

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Reply #83 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 10:42am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2021 at 5:25am:

"certain demographic groups"?????

**ears prick up**

So - er ... these, um, respondents... are they...ummm.. you know .. citizens? Or is this one of those chanting 'discrimination' things when it isn't? Like here when Certain/Usual Suspect demographic groups constantly whine about "Oppression!!!" when they - as CITIZENS - hold every Right HERE same as everyone else?

Non-citoyennes, of course - can't vote or hold office - though they seem to work in the public service a lot... No More Dual Citizens In Government Jobs Of Any Kind!!

Not that kind of thing, is it?

Down at Ye Olde Blacke Ghetto....

"Yo, mah man - we is oppressed 'coz da school education system - it jus' don't teach us to read'n'wrat, so we's all cain' even fill out dat form! Yo!! Votah Ah-Dee is fo' dem WHARTE honkeys, yo' dig? Black Man don' git no say no how!!"

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So - er ... these, um, respondents... are they...ummm.. you know .. citizens?

YES.

The thing is that:

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Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification.

Is not exactly correct.

There is a varying standard where everyone reaching that age between about 8 years ago and 15 or 20 years in some states its mostly true.

Problem is that not every voter was born after the year 2000 or so. Going back to the 40's and 50's where plenty of legitimate voters are the standards were very different across many states where things like documentation was not as it is today and influenced by colour people have birth certificates with incorrect information on them because things may have been a lot looser for coloured registration at this time.

Some of the restrictions: Do not drive, distance from issuing locality cost of supporting documentation availability of acceptable supporting information etc. It is a fact that 11% of legitimate voters do not have this voter ID that is something like 28 Million people with a huge bias to colour, personal wealth and location.

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Re: Black Americans Debunk - Voter ID Is ‘Racist’
Reply #85 - Apr 18^th, 2021 at 9:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 18^th, 2021 at 12:57am:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2021 at 11:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

This isn't just guesses it is fact. As is all the other strategies. Not allowing people in a 12 hour voting queue on a hot day to have access to water ? voting Requiring voter ID but limiting it to a method that 11% of Americans do not have. i.e it means that about 11% of Americans can not vote. Purging voter rolls in Democrat voting areas.

These thing are not guesses there is concrete evidence that this is what happens. We also see things like fake contestants in elections to split the vote away from their real opponent. yes one of the Things that Gates was caught talking about setting up and other have done and gotten away with.

It is amazing how the truth just bounces off your head! Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification. Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Have I gotten your attention yet? Unless a Citizen has had their Right to vote denied individually by due process there is no barrier to voting! There is no law preventing kind people from passing out water to those standing in line to vote unless those offering represent a candidate, issue or Political Party! Campaigning on property reserved for voting is illegal!

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It is amazing how the truth just bounces off your head! Every Citizen old enough to vote has government issued identification. Every Adult Citizen has government issued identification!

Except for the approximate 11% that don't.

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Claim 1: Kobach wrongly takes issue with a 2006 Brennan Center study showing 11% of American citizens do not possess government issued photo ID.

In 2006, the Brennan Center published the results of a telephone survey conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation (ORC), an independent market research firm, on the number of voting-age Americans who have government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship. 11% of all respondents to that survey did not have ready access to government-issued photo ID; the percentages of those without ID were even higher for certain demographic groups. Kobach summarily dismisses the hard numbers without offering any reason to doubt the Brennan Center and ORC findings, other than that he finds them “implausible.” ORC is a respected, global provider of market research, providing polling and research to CNN, among many other partners and clients. Mr. Kobach’s intuition is not a substitute for sound research.

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What is more, Kobach fails to note that the Brennan Center’s findings are consistent with every independent study we have identified before and since:

[url]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-misinformation-photo-id[/url]

An extreme Left propaganda organization funded in large part by George Soros. The real life version of Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Look into the background and who funds these sources you rely on.

The truth is something you will not see because of your bias, there are no legal Americans without government issued identification. There is no such thing as an illegal American so there is no hindrance to voting! Find these people who live anonymously within the system.

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Reply #86 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 9:25am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

The electoral districts with large black populations are Democrat-controlled. It is their decision to set up voting places. There is NO outside control.

Forty-eight states and one territory require local officials to designate polling locations.

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Reply #87 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:27pm

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 1:22pm:

Who cannot be barred from observing and scrutinising the vote, like Republicans were in some electorates under the guise of 'social distancing', that is, being kept too far away to observe whether signatures of mail-in votes matched.

Remember, the last election turned on about 50-60 thousand votes in 5 states in a country of 330 million.

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Remember, the last election turned on about 50-60 thousand votes in 5 states in a country of 330 million.

Remember in the 2016 election the winner assisted by Russia had about 4 million less votes than the loser ?

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Reply #88 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 12:39pm

Frank wrote on Apr 19^th, 2021 at 9:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47am:

Where is the evidence for Republicans manipulating and suppressing voting? You question the fraudulent, trucked-in votes, the stop-start counts, the barring of bipartisan observers, the days and days of manufacturing presidential votes but not corresponding Congressional and Senate votes - but assert Republican manipulation and suppression in your stride. You are very obviously lopsided here.

The dummies keep putting it in legislation for everyone to see ? The Jerrymander is obvious. Removing polling places so that republicans take 5 minutes to vote and democrats can take 12 hours in a queue ?

The electoral districts with large black populations are Democrat-controlled. It is their decision to set up voting places. There is NO outside control.

Forty-eight states and one territory require local officials to designate polling locations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-vot...

Some counties closed enough polling locations to violate Texas state law. Brazoria county, south of Houston, closed almost 60% of its polling locations between 2012 and 2018, causing it to fall below the statutory minimum, along with another county. In a statement, Brazoria county clerk Joyce Hudman said the closures were inadvertent, and that this would not happen again in 2020.

A Guardian analysis based on that report confirms what many activists have suspected: the places where the black and Latinx population is growing by the largest numbers have experienced the vast majority of the state’s poll site closures.

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The electoral districts with large black populations are Democrat-controlled.

These districts are subject to State Legislation on voting. Republican state legislature is the level where change is being pushed. At least 240 pieces of state level legislation is currently in process involving Voting from Republican controlled states.

I am sure that there are valid points that you can argue - This is not one of them. The Republicans are working hard to rig the 2024 election as is normal for them. As you can see from the above story it has been happening for a long time.

It is an obvious fact that the Republicans cheat in every election, they don't get the vote so it is the only way that they stay competitive.

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Reply #89 - Apr 19^th, 2021 at 1:46pm

Frank wrote on Apr 18^th, 2021 at 9:49pm:

Being coloured is no free pass to voting. Still need to have evidence of right to vote. Not an imposition. Equality before the law. Blackness is no exemption from that.

Equality, eh?

Oh, old boy, you'll be shrieking about social justice next.

You go, girl. The people united will never be defeated, no?

So cute.

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