lee wrote on Apr 3
rd, 2021 at 2:25pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 3
rd, 2021 at 2:19pm:
Lee’s diagram shows radiation coming back to the surface.
And? If we didn't we would freeze?
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 3
rd, 2021 at 2:19pm:
Guess CERES does NOT show all IR sailing out to space thereby cooling it.
And I never said it did Liar.
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 3
rd, 2021 at 2:19pm:
lee has once again proved AGW.
Rubbish. It merely proves that we have a livable planet.
BTW - I found that Trenberth Diagram.
https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/stephens2.gifI was wrong the uncertainty is
only 17W/m2. And they can find about .5W/m2 in other papers.
Just think if their was no imbalance we wouldn't have climate.
If CO2 and H2O didn’t exist here night time temperatures would go down to -173°C, just like the moon. (Well, not quite as low, we do have an atmosphere but pretty close.) Without the levels of CO2 and consequent H2O of the preindustrial age the average global temperature would have been -18°C instead of the +15°C it was back then. The science of shortwave incoming radiation, warming of the surface, emission of IR, capture of IR by GHGs is sound.
Furthermore, the atmosphere is not saturated with respect to carbon: with more CO2 the spectral lines widen and the height where the long wave IR is released to space increases with increases in CO2. At these atmospheric heights water vapor has largely condensed out and CO2 does the emitting. It is cold up there, hard to release IR and the surface warms more.
This is what, the third merry-go-round about AGW? I am now only interested in researching and discussing the effect of AGW on critters and the plants, predators and diseases of critters or the diseases and other ecological harm the effect of AGW on critters brings.
I cannot do that until I have been assured that posts of mine will not get moved from Critters and Gardens just because they mention or discuss something about AGW.