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The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 10:58am

None were willing to outright say the world is cooling. Good reason for that, terrestrial and satellite observations both say it is warming at the rate of 0.2°C per decade. That is a fact, a fact skeptics very much want to disappear. The fact won’t disappear so skeptics create comforting beliefs that it is, that a mini ice age is about to happen.

The Finnish snowfall was a good example. Someone in Finland said the piles of snow removed from roads etc and dumped in thick piles “may not melt completely over the summer.” This was an accurate quote.

Within a few posts however we see the skeptics (=cowards) translate this as Finnish snowfall not melting over the summer. Actual snowfall depth is of course much less than the depth of piles of dumped snow.

In the whole thread no skeptic looks up anything about the formation of snow—facts are way too dangerous for skeptics to get near to. They could have looked up, e.g: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow

The ultimate irony: Booby who has pages and pages of weather reports that have come from MSM reports bleats that the MSM doesn’t cover cold weather. Even the Dumbyne videos are loosely based on MSM reports of cold weather twisted to Dumbyne’s spiel about a mini ice age.

The basic facts are that global temperatures are climbing at the rate of 0.2°C per decade. Volcanic eruptions, if big enough, and La Nina events as well as various ocean events (multidecadal oscillations) can cause minor dips in the graph while El Ninos and various ocean events can cause peaks in the graph of temperatures over time. This variation aside, global temperatures are increasing at the rate of 0.2°C per decade.

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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #1 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:03am

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HadCRUT4 surface temperature index

The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index produced by the,

a. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the,

b. Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia show the following trends

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

Warming pause ends late 2015 with El Nino event starting late 2015

The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade

That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.

https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

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“Cold Weather Kills 20 Times As Many People As Hot Weather”

https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-m...

However, Excess Winter Deaths are not the worst threats to humanity.

The glacial cycle averages about 100,000 years, consisting of about 90,000 years of the glacial period, when mile-thick continental glaciers blanketed much of the Northern and Southern Hemispheres including Canada, Russia, Northern Europe and Northern USA, and about 10,000 years of interglacial, the warm period of the present.

Earth is now 11,500 years into the current warm interglacial, and our planet may re-enter the glacial period at any time.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/01/the-next-great-extinction-event-will-not-...

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #2 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:24am Ajax, satellite and terrestrial observations both show we are warming at the rate of 0.2°C per decade. Climate is 30 years, those short intervals are meaningless.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10958 Australia Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #3 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:33am That's right 30 years equates to climate not weather, what are the intervals between those years, except for 1999 - 2011. Your satellite data doesn't seem to match mine....LOL
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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #4 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:38am

HADCRUT is terrestrial.

Only time since early 20th century that tha globe cooled a tiny bit was midcentury, 1940–1979. That was due increasing sulphate emissions which act as aerosols, reflecting some sunlight back to space. Clean Air Acts stopped sulphate emissions increasing while CO2 emissions just kept on rising and the warming was no longer masked.

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 7861	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #5 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:39am Our Melbourne summer has been the coolest in 5 years. We didn’t have many hot days.... We are now in the 2nd month of autumn and no autumn leaves anywhere. So we are having a late autumn due to our cool summer. It’s confusing.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #6 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:42am A strong La Nina kept the SE of Australia nice and cool. Now we are having a nice Indian Summer. I am not complaining!
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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #7 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:46am

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling,

only 12 years, “cooling” was partly at least the return to normal temperatures after the huge 1998 El Nino

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

<-- not 30 years

Terrestrial observations are just below 0.2°C./decase, satellite observations just above 0.2°C/decade.

Apart from the mid century, the globe has been warming since the early 20th century. No real reason to doubt the warming.

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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #8 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:49am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:38am:

Ajax, satellite and terrestrial observations both show we are warming at the rate of 0.2°C per decade.

HADCRUT is terrestrial.

Only time since early 20th century that tha globe cooled a tiny bit was midcentury, 1940–1979. That was due increasing sulphate emissions which act as aerosols, reflecting some sunlight back to space. Clean Air Acts stopped sulphate emissions increasing while CO2 emissions just kept on rising and the warming was no longer masked.

Care to provide your database..........LINK....?!?!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #9 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:49am A Maunder level GSM will cool the globe by 0.2°C. We have warmed 1.2°C since 1980, a 0.2°C cooling would not do much. And AGW would still be working, there would not be a temperature drop due to a GSM, not a detectable one as the heat in the oceans would buffer any cooling. No ice age.
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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #10 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:56am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:49am:

A Maunder level GSM will cool the globe by 0.2°C. We have warmed 1.2°C since 1980, a 0.2°C cooling would not do much. And AGW would still be working, there would not be a temperature drop due to a GSM, not a detectable one as the heat in the oceans would buffer any cooling.

No ice age.

Where are you getting all this information from because it is WRONG.........!!!!!

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According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by a little more than 1° Celsius (2° Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/global-temperatures

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Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB
Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 12:05pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:46am:

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling,

only 12 years, “cooling” was partly at least the return to normal temperatures after the huge 1998 El Nino

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

<-- not 30 years

Terrestrial observations are just below 0.2°C./decase, satellite observations just above 0.2°C/decade.

Apart from the mid century, the globe has been warming since the early 20th century. No real reason to doubt the warming.

The Earth has warmed I am not saying that it has not warmed.

I agree with you that we have warmed.

We have been warming since the little ice age (LIA).

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #12 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 12:07pm LIA wasn’t that cold, wasn’t even an ice age.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #13 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 12:08pm Better, shows temperature anomalies dropped from -0.15”C to -0.5°C, a drop of 0.35°C over the LIA.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43656 Gender:	Re: The “Climate Skeptics” thread in the Dubyne MRB Reply #14 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 12:12pm Must remember, the Milankovitch Cycle was dropping over all that time, should have been substantial cooling but even with GSMs etc, insignificant cooling.
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