If China invades Taiwan....





If China does invade Taiwan....

Will the U.S. [under president Biden] simply acquiesce to Chinese aggression over Taiwan ?

~25 million people live in Taiwan.

Or, will the U.S. and China 'come into conflict'.

That is not a likely senario.  The cost would be too great.  Yes, there is probably very little that Taiwan can do to stop the landing force, and the initial attack.  However, what it has as mutually assured destruction.  The three gorge dam, and major city hubs like Hong Kong, Shanghai etc are all within missile strike range.  If the Chinese attack Taiwan, Taiwan will retaliate.  And the resulting damage to the Chinese economy would likely see the break down of the country as whole. 

Even if in a very unrealistic senario, to just say they win.  Taiwan has a population similar to Australia cramped into a far smaller island.   And after its most recent modernization of their army, the Chinese would have perhaps 1.5 to 2 million soldiers.  That is not going to be enough to keep 25 million people at bay, at the same time ensure other countries in the region wont do anything funny. 

And even if say this happens, and no one did anything.  By then, most of the Taiwan's elite / wealthy would have drained their central bank, and flee overseas.  Leaving the CPC with nothing but 20 million or so starving and angry population.  So whats the point?

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:



Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them.

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:01pm:



So an invasion then.

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm:



By force, it's an invasion.

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm:


If it comes democratically Yes. Otherwise No.

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:30pm:



Perhaps you should read this one -

" The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer."

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion

"an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army."

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

And then of course we had, in the US, the invasion of the Capitol.

You wish to only look at the narrow definition.

Or perhaps that Taiwan really wants it but is too afraid to ask.

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm:


In Taiwan live 97% Han Chinese.
Why would they mind living with own people in united China?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:49am:


Did you live in China?

athos wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 12:06pm:



It only paranoia if not true.

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:07am:

Certainly no different to Europe with regard to border changes and empires rising and falling... In fact, no different to anywhere in the world.

That has been a theme throughout all of human history, so it's not only unsurprising that it also happened within this vast region, it would be astonishing if it had not.

So what's your point?

That international relations are exceedingly complex?

That territorial claims on non-integrated land will and do exist today?

That human cultural and ethnic memory of injustice, conquest and defeat is long? ​

So...

Should, say, Germany recognise in perpetuity the Oder-Neisse line (something which the Poles requested and which James Baker scoffed at 'given European history')?

Sovereignty and territorial claims are an ineradicable part of human history and its future, and will remain so as long as humans exist in large complex societies; and, like tides of seas and oceans, will ebb and flow... perpetually.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 10:15am:

Why not? They started the second one over Poland and the first one over Austria-Hungary and Serbia.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 10:33am:


And?

India and Pakistan have gone to war.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Containment of the CCP is the plan right now.

athos wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 11:44am:

Democracy is worth fighting for... Totalitarianism is worth fighting against.

The answer's easy... The collapse of the CCP will see the reintegration of China by popular demand from both sides.

So let's raise a glass to the collapse of the CCP and a free and democratic mainland China.

.

.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 6:32pm:


So you admit the CCP is the clear and present danger to world peace?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 6:36pm:


the reliance of the LAAAAAAAZY chodes in the west on the chinese to produce EVERYTHING  is a clear and present danger.

but the chances of the chodes in the west doing the brutal work of making their own "stuff" is ZERO.

as a primary producer, i feel a kinship with the chinese as we are productive people.

most aussies genuinely think that being a 'consumer" is a noble enterprise
.

do nothing, risk nothing, produce nothing.

disgusting people

Ah yes, the "noble communist" with his five year plans, his secret police and his Stalinist leadership cult. Controlling the media, decreeing production targets, dictating the proletariat and ultimately beating Uncle at his own game.

You've always praised Stalinism, Aquascoot. You never wavered. Oh, the chodes may flip and flop with their bourgeois consumerism and their lives of pure garbage, but you've always been a consistent, true believer, no?

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:16pm:


Xi is no communist
he is the worlds most business friendly leader

i'm a true believer that if you bounce out of bed with a plan .
and you apply conscientousness and intelligence to the execution of that plan.
then you are a deserved winner
worthy of examination.

in australia, for example , i see leaders with "no plan"
what is scomos grand plan for australia?

Xi has a grand plan for china.

where is our grand plan.
we dont have one.
and are we conscientous?
are we intelligent?
do we celebrate and reward hard work and smart people?
i think we celebrate and reward butt hurt crybaby's and we celebrate mediocrity.
instead of pouring billions into our most gifted entrepreneurs, we pour billions into the NDIS

so by my estimation, china is going to win.
and they are going to deserve to win.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:31pm:

Just ask Jack Ma.

Jack is a multi billionaire.

he should show some loyalty to the people who allowed him to manifest those billions.

he temporarily was bouncing out of bed, not following the china 2040 plan .

he was complaining and sooking and being a cry baby like he had been infected by a westerner

now that he has seen the light . he's back running his company and still has his mistresses and his yachts.

a cuationary tale that in a country of 1.3 billion, everyone must sign from the same hymn book

athos wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 11:44am:


Rubbish, any conflict would be very limited. Taiwan isn't the hill USA wants to die on and China knows the dangers of an extended conflict.

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:59pm:

No, definitely not all one race.

I enjoy watching professional Indian media. Their one peccadillo: there has to be at least one negative news report about Pakistan per episode!

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47pm:

So... Back to your dad... The punishment of old age is that it makes wimps out of arseholes.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47pm:

Until the CCP says he's not.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:31pm:


Xi grew up in the Party, dear. He did his re-education with the rural workers during the Cultural Revolution with all the other Party elites of his day. Xi is the very essence of the Party.

Business friendly? Come come, the only businesses doing any trade in China are connected party-affiliates, and Xi locks any competition up.

Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, no worries. Try opening a business in China. Xi's China is the antithesis of free trade, as every schoolboy knows.

You?

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:11pm:


Not if you're a playboy cricketer. Aquascoot didn't notice that. Perhaps it was the signature Khan aftershave, eh?

You wouldn't understand, dear. You're not British. You're a Canadian Yid, no?

Are you people a race?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 8:47pm:


Jack Ma is now free to drive down the highway in his fancy car with his filly by his side, now that he's been released from re-education and has seen the CCCP light.

He's learned that sooking about free trade and economic reform gets you nowhere. You have to toe Dear Leader's line and obey socialist doublethink if you want to walk the "narrow path to success".

Two legs good, four legs bad, no?

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:01pm:
Then why isnt China doing  it instead of waiting 70 years or more.  you propaganda bots are hilarious, you swallow your own propaganda no matter how absolutely mind numbingly stupid.
Might have to start calling you deepthroat. 

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Don't forget arguing for democracy and greater freedoms... that'll get both cut off at the knees for you quick smart...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2021 at 9:07pm:


only if they lose momentum and wallow in self pity.

if you are 95 with a stroke, you should bounce out of bed and see how many laps of your house you can do.
like that old codger in england.

never lose momentum and remember "there are no golden years"

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:38am:

That's always been your problem, scoot: the conflation of the CCP with China and the Chinese which you then project onto us.

If it's in the nature of the Chinese to be industrious, then they were industrious before the CCP and will be after it collapses. Like the east Germans (and other eastern bloc countries) after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Mao and his CCP never intended China to be an actual socialist state in the spirit of Marx...

He appropriated Stalinism and, by inevitability, adopted the tactics of both Stalinism and National Socialism to achieve tyrannical control of the country, now euphemistically referred to as 'communism with Chinese characteristics'.

Only it's not communism and it is not in the psyche of all Chinese to be psychopathic totalitarians any more than it was in the Russian or German psyches.

Marxism has always been pervertible into a quasi-religious text in the service of totalitarianism... And that's true wherever 'Marxism' is established as the sole political force.

You need to educate yourself on what really happened in China that put it on The narrow road to success

Under the wicked socialism
With state control and ownership of production
The country was starving

Literally between 60 and 100 million people starve to death
That's what you get for being a socialist
Ask the venezuelans

But then small groups of Chinese farmers started to produce rice
Illegally at first
On their own plots

And the authorities
Recognised that these farmers were more productive
When they were allowed to keep the fruits of their labour

That's capitalism my friend
That's what we mean by
Chinese characteristics

The central totalitarian government
Began slowly but surely
To lubricate and free up free trade and entrepreneurship
Amongst the population

And the result has been a spectacular miracle
No one has lifted more people out of abject poverty faster and more successfully in the history of mankind
Then the Chinese leadership
So please give them praise for that achievement

So economically China has quite a good model
Where hard work and strategic intelligence are rewarded


Now to address your gripe with an authoritarian system
I put it to you that it is the lesser of two evils
To have an authoritarian system in a country of 1.3 billion people
I think it would be close to impossible to run such an enormous enterprise
If people were allowed total liberty to do whatever they wanted

You could take the response to covod as an example

China pretty well has it whipped
Everyone has had the vaccine
Everyone is back at work and at school

You can look at western democracies
And see the fragmentation that is caused
By the polarisation within media and particularly social media

There is a level of dysfunction that is going to grow and grow
Because western democracies are becoming un governable


There is a need to control the narrative
People who want to belong to an organisation
Particularly an organisation of 1.3 billion
Are going to have to give up some liberties

But if you are allowed to excel economically
If your government is assisting you to be the best you can be
If your government is proud of your success at school
And wants to give you a leg up to establish a productive entrepreneurial business
I think your system has got the balance about right

People seem to have this idea that China
Well for example Wuhan
Is like some back market in the back streets of Jakarta
With poor people living in tin sheds scrounging out a living

Wuhan is Uber modern
If you walked around the centre of Wuhan
You would be in a place more prosperous
Then if you were walking around the CBD of Sydney

And let's not forget China has a burgeoning middle class
Something which the USA and the West has managed to demolish

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 8:29am:

You need to understand the lethal psychology of (forced) adulation.

When an entire population is forced to bend the knee to the powerful, those in power have no way of gauging whether they are on the 'narrow path to success' or into the void of destruction.

Hitler is the best recent example of this... German and Austrian mass adulation bestowed a stratospheric sense of megalomania in him which led him to grossly underestimate British and French resolve to defend Poland. His high-command, on the other hand, knew it was a grave mistake to both force the western allies into a war, then subsequently double-cross Stalin; it opened up an unwinnable war on at least 2 fronts. Hitler's response to his generals: 'I have a secret weapon... I have the German people on my side'.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:30am:

No you don't.

Your house can be repossessed at any time by order of the CCP and with little to no compensation. Your wealth can be confiscated at any time by order of the CCP. The courts are subservient to the CCP, so there is no possibility of redress under law if the CCP does not allow it.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 5:38am:


Whereas you think communist China is a fine example of "noble capitalism" at work, yes?

Four legs good two legs bad, no?

Forget Paretto, dear, read your Chairman Mao.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:33am:

'Communism with Chinese characteristics' is not capitalism... It's National Socialism.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:30am:
Im not poor, are you poor?

GDP per Capita
China 10,216.6
Australia 55,060.3

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 9:39am:


No no, Aquascoot's just a fan of leadership cults. He's big on Putin too.

Orthodox oligarchical imperialism, Chinese communist state capitalism, white supremacist US protectionism; it matters not. As long as there's a Dictator at the helm, Aquascoot's in.

Hell, if Hillary had balls and promised a police state, he'd be up for her too. Erdogan, Kim Jong Un, Muhammed bin Salman, Aquascoot's got a hard on for the lot.

Just don't ask about any details. You'll get a treatise on Jung, Julius Caesar, Jesus, or any of the Great Men of history written on the back cover of all those self help books on Aquascoot's shelf.

We will make America great again, no?

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 10:52am:

Hmm... Freudian much?

Where Kafka wrung his hands and shrank from authoritarianism, It's in for Scoot, balls and boot... Kafka's anachronistic evil twin!

wuhan

Yadda wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 7:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 12:10pm:


True. Nor does it include purchasing parity. Put simply, goods and services are cheaper in Wuhan than in New York.

I know you need unique New York, but does unique New York need you?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 12:13pm:


You left out the Wuhan wet markets, dear.

I know you want wet Wuhan, but...

Not quite the miraculous economic miracle scoot is making out.

rhino wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 1:08pm:


Now now, you're missing Aquascoot's point. The CCP has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in a mere four decades.

The Ching Dynasty couldn't do this, nor could the liberal reformers of the Chinese republic. It took a communist one-party state to create the biggest economic turnaround in history. In two generations, the Chows have done what it took us over a century to do.

Yes, the Taiwanese did it using free market capitalism (and a Western alliance), but Aquascoot's point is that the Chows did it using a government-driven, command-and-control socialist model.

Food for thought, no?

Lol, Aquaman, the quote is from China daily you nitwit the information comes directly from the CCP. The statistics are irrefutable.
Anyway, more economic miracles.

Quote:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 1:19pm:

And as Deng Xiaoping said last week, via a medium, '...and we would have got away with the con too, if it wasn't for that meddling Xi.'

And didn't he tell them all a million times to never exaggerate and to hide their power (or perception of it), and smile to the west.

Now look! Containment and decline.

lots of smoke


china does all the hard work of producing all the stuff that the world needs.
so they cop the pollution

the west sends them some IOU's

not much pollution producing IOU's .

things should even up when the holder of the IOU's decide to foreclose on the debt

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

And who's ever going to forget the CSNSP's euphemism (this time) of the Myanmar coup, characterising it as a 'cabinet reshuffle'.

Tell that to the families of 800 (and growing) men, women and children murdered by the military in Myanmar.