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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	If China invades Taiwan.... Mar 31^st, 2021 at 7:45pm If China invades Taiwan.... What will happen to the world we now know ? If China does invade Taiwan.... Will the U.S. [under president Biden] simply acquiesce to Chinese aggression over Taiwan ? ~25 million people live in Taiwan. Or, will the U.S. and China 'come into conflict'.
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Re: If China invades Taiwan....
Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 11:10am

Yadda wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 7:45pm:

If China invades Taiwan....

What will happen to the world we now know ?

If China does invade Taiwan....

Will the U.S. [under president Biden] simply acquiesce to Chinese aggression over Taiwan ?

~25 million people live in Taiwan.

Or, will the U.S. and China 'come into conflict'.

How can China invade Taiwan when it is a Chinese province?
China can only liberate Taiwan from the quisling pro-American occupation as it did with Hong Kong or Russia with Crimea.

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Reply #2 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:11pm

That is not a likely senario. The cost would be too great. Yes, there is probably very little that Taiwan can do to stop the landing force, and the initial attack. However, what it has as mutually assured destruction. The three gorge dam, and major city hubs like Hong Kong, Shanghai etc are all within missile strike range. If the Chinese attack Taiwan, Taiwan will retaliate. And the resulting damage to the Chinese economy would likely see the break down of the country as whole.

Even if in a very unrealistic senario, to just say they win. Taiwan has a population similar to Australia cramped into a far smaller island. And after its most recent modernization of their army, the Chinese would have perhaps 1.5 to 2 million soldiers. That is not going to be enough to keep 25 million people at bay, at the same time ensure other countries in the region wont do anything funny.

And even if say this happens, and no one did anything. By then, most of the Taiwan's elite / wealthy would have drained their central bank, and flee overseas. Leaving the CPC with nothing but 20 million or so starving and angry population. So whats the point?

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Reply #3 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 7:45pm:

If China invades Taiwan....

What will happen to the world we now know ?

If China does invade Taiwan....

Will the U.S. [under president Biden] simply acquiesce to Chinese aggression over Taiwan ?

~25 million people live in Taiwan.

Or, will the U.S. and China 'come into conflict'.

Do you know what is Taiwan full country name at moment??? Republic of China

So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: If China invades Taiwan.... Reply #4 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm: So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade! Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them.
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Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:01pm

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade!

Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them. Wink

Every country unified with a stronger side of the parties in this world . Taiwan can't resist with 1.4 billion people from mainland.

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Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:02pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:01pm:

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade!

Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them. Wink

Stronger side win! Loser has no choice.

So an invasion then. Wink

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Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:01pm:

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade!

Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them. Wink

Stronger side win! Loser has no choice.

So an invasion then. Wink

Within the same country, not an invasion! It's unification!

Do you like West Australia separated from Fed? If not, why China ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: If China invades Taiwan.... Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:13pm Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm: Within the same country, not an invasion! It's unification! By force, it's an invasion. Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm: Do you like West Australia separated from Fed? If it comes democratically Yes. Otherwise No.
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Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:30pm

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:13pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:09pm:

Within the same country, not an invasion! It's unification!

By force, it's an invasion.

Do you need to go back to school? Check " invasion" definition:
an occasion when an army or country uses force to enter and take control of another country.

Mainland and Taiwan is not country to country!

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Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:55pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:30pm:

Do you need to go back to school? Check " invasion" definition:
an occasion when an army or country uses force to enter and take control of another country.

Perhaps you should read this one -

" The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer."

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion

"an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army."

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

And then of course we had, in the US, the invasion of the Capitol.

You wish to only look at the narrow definition. Grin

Or perhaps that Taiwan really wants it but is too afraid to ask. Wink

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Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 7:00am

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:11pm:

That is not a likely senario. The cost would be too great. Yes, there is probably very little that Taiwan can do to stop the landing force, and the initial attack. However, what it has as mutually assured destruction. The three gorge dam, and major city hubs like Hong Kong, Shanghai etc are all within missile strike range. If the Chinese attack Taiwan, Taiwan will retaliate. And the resulting damage to the Chinese economy would likely see the break down of the country as whole.

Even if in a very unrealistic senario, to just say they win. Taiwan has a population similar to Australia cramped into a far smaller island. And after its most recent modernization of their army, the Chinese would have perhaps 1.5 to 2 million soldiers. That is not going to be enough to keep 25 million people at bay, at the same time ensure other countries in the region wont do anything funny.

And even if say this happens, and no one did anything. By then, most of the Taiwan's elite / wealthy would have drained their central bank, and flee overseas. Leaving the CPC with nothing but 20 million or so starving and angry population. So whats the point?

True... But this is not being driven by reason...

The taking of Taiwan is a CCP-driven obsession with prostrating itself to the memory of Mao; a mass murderer and serial rapist.

The great irony is, if the mainland was already democratic, Taiwan would have queued, if it had to, to unify with the mainland.

But democracy takes a political maturity that the mainland Chinese do not have, which is why political argument and debate with mainland Chinese people tend to be like those you'd have with a petulant teenager.

The CCP is simply a particularly pernicious extension of China's extinct Imperial system.

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Reply #12 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 10:32am

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:18pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

So, Taiwan is part of China. It just needs to unify both administrations. No such thing - invade!

Except if they don't want mainland China to "unify" them. Wink

In Taiwan live 97% Han Chinese.
Why would they mind living with own people in united China?

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Reply #13 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:02am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 7:00am:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 12:11pm:

That is not a likely senario. The cost would be too great. Yes, there is probably very little that Taiwan can do to stop the landing force, and the initial attack. However, what it has as mutually assured destruction. The three gorge dam, and major city hubs like Hong Kong, Shanghai etc are all within missile strike range. If the Chinese attack Taiwan, Taiwan will retaliate. And the resulting damage to the Chinese economy would likely see the break down of the country as whole.

Even if in a very unrealistic senario, to just say they win. Taiwan has a population similar to Australia cramped into a far smaller island. And after its most recent modernization of their army, the Chinese would have perhaps 1.5 to 2 million soldiers. That is not going to be enough to keep 25 million people at bay, at the same time ensure other countries in the region wont do anything funny.

And even if say this happens, and no one did anything. By then, most of the Taiwan's elite / wealthy would have drained their central bank, and flee overseas. Leaving the CPC with nothing but 20 million or so starving and angry population. So whats the point?

True... But this is not being driven by reason...

The taking of Taiwan is a CCP-driven obsession with prostrating itself to the memory of Mao; a mass murderer and serial rapist.

The great irony is, if the mainland was already democratic, Taiwan would have queued, if it had to, to unify with the mainland.

But democracy takes a political maturity that the mainland Chinese do not have, which is why political argument and debate with mainland Chinese people tend to be like those you'd have with a petulant teenager.

The CCP is simply a particularly pernicious extension of China's extinct Imperial system.

How can you hypocrites lecture someone about democracy and freedom when you are not even citizens but only "Her Majesty's subjects" or "Subjects of the British Crown" and you have your head of state who has never been democratically elected and who is a dictator above the law with unlimited powers, etc, etc????

Dude in China live CITIZENS and not "Her Majesty's subjects" like you.

Note:
"Subject is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another; but a citizen is an unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possess sovereignty. Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others."
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=her+majesty+subjects

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Reply #14 - Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 11:49am

Unification? Not under the Communists, who have no right to China anyway. Taiwan owes the Chinese Communist Party no allegiance. An invasion would not liberate anyone, it would enslave them. China didn't liberate North Korea, it protected a failing economy to use as a buffer state, and that is why they want Taiwan. You people who talk about liberation should go and live in China for a while.

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