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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video Reply #195 - Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm: Batista [] left the island of his own accord. Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?
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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #196 - Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to. Roll Eyes

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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #197 - Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to. Roll Eyes

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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #198 - Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

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Reply #199 - Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:39pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

Doubtful. While there was some contact between the Fidelistas and the US Government I doubt it ever reached the point of any "agreement". Batista wasn't that popular with the US, just as he obviously wasn't that popular with the Cubans. He may have been their "son-of-a-bitch" but he was still a "son-of-a-bitch". Greene's "Our Man in Havana" wasn't that far from the truth... Roll Eyes

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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #200 - Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

Doubtful. While there was some contact between the Fidelistas as the US Government I doubt it ever reached the point of any "agreement". Batista wasn't that popular with the US, just as he obviously wasn't that popular with the Cubans. He may have been their "son-of-a-bitch" but he was still a "son-of-a-bitch". Greene's "Our Man in Havana" wasn't that far from the truth...

Did the US warn Batista that the US would no longer support him and his government?

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Reply #201 - Apr 8^th, 2021 at 1:59pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

Doubtful. While there was some contact between the Fidelistas as the US Government I doubt it ever reached the point of any "agreement". Batista wasn't that popular with the US, just as he obviously wasn't that popular with the Cubans. He may have been their "son-of-a-bitch" but he was still a "son-of-a-bitch". Greene's "Our Man in Havana" wasn't that far from the truth...

Did the US warn Batista that the US would no longer support him and his government?

Not as far as I know. Nor were there explicit messages of support either. Poor ol' Fulgencio Batista was left hanging out there, on a limb, so to speak... Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 40531 Gender:	Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video Reply #203 - Apr 8^th, 2021 at 7:29pm athos wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 7:02pm: Thank you for this. The CCP robots are complete evil bastards.
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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #204 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 12:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 1:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

Doubtful. While there was some contact between the Fidelistas as the US Government I doubt it ever reached the point of any "agreement". Batista wasn't that popular with the US, just as he obviously wasn't that popular with the Cubans. He may have been their "son-of-a-bitch" but he was still a "son-of-a-bitch". Greene's "Our Man in Havana" wasn't that far from the truth...

Did the US warn Batista that the US would no longer support him and his government?

Not as far as I know. Nor were there explicit messages of support either. Poor ol' Fulgencio Batista was left hanging out there, on a limb, so to speak... Roll Eyes

Did the US impose an arms embargo on the Batista government in 1958?

Also, late in that same year, did the US Ambassador, Earl Smith, advise Batista that the US would no longer support him or his government?

Did Batista then request from the Ambassador permission to leave Cuba for Daytona Beach. Florida, which was denied; and did Ambassador Smith suggest Batista seek asylum in Spain?

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video Reply #205 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 12:42pm now you know why we call him Brain Dross. never argue with an idiot, they will wear you down with experience.
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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #207 - Apr 9^th, 2021 at 7:09pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 12:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 1:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 12:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2021 at 4:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Batista [] left the island of his own accord.

Could the same euphemism for fleeing be said of Idi Amin's, the Shah of Iran's (et al) exits from their respective countries?

Not quite. Many dictators are chased from their regimes. Batista was not forced to leave at that point. He just chose to.

Not quite, but within pissing distance of it?

Its analogy seems closer to Batista leaving the family Christmas dinner just in time to avoid speaking with a resented brother-in-law than it does his fleeing before he was captured then likely publicly executed.

Was there any covert agreement at the time between the US and Castro to delay his entry into Havana, allowing time for Batista to escape?

Doubtful. While there was some contact between the Fidelistas as the US Government I doubt it ever reached the point of any "agreement". Batista wasn't that popular with the US, just as he obviously wasn't that popular with the Cubans. He may have been their "son-of-a-bitch" but he was still a "son-of-a-bitch". Greene's "Our Man in Havana" wasn't that far from the truth...

Did the US warn Batista that the US would no longer support him and his government?

Not as far as I know. Nor were there explicit messages of support either. Poor ol' Fulgencio Batista was left hanging out there, on a limb, so to speak... Roll Eyes

Did the US impose an arms embargo on the Batista government in 1958?

Also, late in that same year, did the US Ambassador, Earl Smith, advise Batista that the US would no longer support him or his government?

Did Batista then request from the Ambassador permission to leave Cuba for Daytona Beach. Florida, which was denied; and did Ambassador Smith suggest Batista seek asylum in Spain?

Also, late in 1958, did General Cantillo secretly meet with Castro, to agree to a ceasefire under the condition that Batista was to be arrested and face a tribunal after being charged with war crimes?

And, upon the ceasefire, did Cantillo then double-cross Castro by warning Batista of his arrest and charges if he remained in Cuba?

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Re: Xinjiang conspiracy hidden in an old US video
Reply #208 - Apr 10^th, 2021 at 6:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 7:09pm: