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Reply #15 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:48pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 12:54pm:
Remember all the Propaganda against Castro (who was not one of the CIA's puppet Dictators) and how terrible Communist Cuba was that people were fleeing for their lives swimming to Florida?
In the end, Cuba was doing a lot better than many States in the USA. The people were a lot healthier of lifestyle and only CIA agents, Capitalist loyalists and traitors were shot. Other than that - Cubans reflect on Castro now as a Saviour that saved them from the likes of a USA society, which they 'now' see as inferior.

Know much about Cuba ?
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Reply #16 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:56pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 12:54pm:
Remember all the Propaganda against Castro (who was not one of the CIA's puppet Dictators) and how terrible Communist Cuba was that people were fleeing for their lives swimming to Florida?
In the end, Cuba was doing a lot better than many States in the USA. The people were a lot healthier of lifestyle and only CIA agents, Capitalist loyalists and traitors were shot. Other than that - Cubans reflect on Castro now as a Saviour that saved them from the likes of a USA society, which they 'now' see as inferior.

Know much about Cuba ?

Mostly positive stuff about a good Oceanian nation.
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Reply #17 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 2:27pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:56pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:48pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 12:54pm:
Remember all the Propaganda against Castro (who was not one of the CIA's puppet Dictators) and how terrible Communist Cuba was that people were fleeing for their lives swimming to Florida?
In the end, Cuba was doing a lot better than many States in the USA. The people were a lot healthier of lifestyle and only CIA agents, Capitalist loyalists and traitors were shot. Other than that - Cubans reflect on Castro now as a Saviour that saved them from the likes of a USA society, which they 'now' see as inferior.

Know much about Cuba ?

Mostly positive stuff about a good Oceanian nation.

Thought so.
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Reply #18 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 6:37pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 12:54pm:
Remember all the Propaganda against Castro (who was not one of the CIA's puppet Dictators) and how terrible Communist Cuba was that people were fleeing for their lives swimming to Florida?
In the end, Cuba was doing a lot better than many States in the USA. The people were a lot healthier of lifestyle and only CIA agents, Capitalist loyalists and traitors were shot. Other than that - Cubans reflect on Castro now as a Saviour that saved them from the likes of a USA society, which they 'now' see as inferior.


It's the same story today. China is doing better than some of states in America. That's the why USA worries a lot. Actually, some areas are better than USA. Such as bullet trains.

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Reply #19 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 6:43pm
 
athos wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 1:02pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 9:20am:
Ah, Sonny boy...

Using the National Socialists' defence to cover up enslavement and oppression eh...

Yes, that's right... What the CCP has perpetrated on the Chinese people and its ethnic minorities has been done before, in Germany, Russia and throughout eastern Europe (to name the two great evils of the last century), then on the world.

Internally, within the Third Reich and the Soviet Union, dissenters were treated in the same way as the Uighurs, which largely crushed internal dissent as, of course, they were under Mao.

It worked back then, largely because the world couldn't comprehend that a nation like Germany (and even in the Soviet Union - the 'workers' paradise' - under 'Uncle Joe') could turn its hand to that depth of evil.

The mainland Chinese people have not had the opportunity to develop a modern mindset regarding liberal democracy and are, as a consequence, comparatively medieval in their capacity for political depth, so it's no surprise that the complexity of the the journey from absolute monarchy / dictatorship to democracy mystifies them.

That's why CCP spruikers have all the political depth of a teenager.

With regards to imperialism, what do you think the CCP is attempting to do? The CCP is an expansionist, imperial power; a Frankensteinian amalgam of National Socialism and Stalinism.

You see, we in the modern world (outside mainland China) know the hows, whys and whats of the rise of totalitarianism; how it begins and where it leads and ends...

Mass surveillance, arbitrary arrest, detainment, torture, concentration camps, murder...

It's a well-worn path but that would be surprise to the Chinese people, so they cannot know the road to hell they're being led down.

The glimmer of hope is that comprehension of democracy's value is not lost on ethnic Chinese outside mainland China, as is evidenced by the courage shown by those in Hong Kong and Taiwan who are prepared to fight to the death to defend democracy; something we in liberal democracies should and do honour.

We have not had to do the same in nearly 80 years... But the call to the cause is coming...

To end the last great political perversion that survived the 20th century.


The Anglo American Alliance has difficulty applying to China their favorite method of divide and conquer as for example they did in former Yugoslavia, Libya, Ukraine and so on.
All these attempts did not go according to their plan so far in case of China.
The fact is that Han ethnicity makes up over 92% of the Chinese population in mainland China and 97% in Taiwan.
Also both the Muslim (Uyghur) and Tibet’s population makes up to 1%.
Many still remember the 1989 Tiananmen Square protest where the CIA unsuccessfully tried to provoke a split in China on the ideological basis in the name of "democracy and freedom".
Using Tibet and Uyghur Muslim population to destabilize China on religious and ethnic grounds also has not brought the satisfactory results.
The last attempt to organize long lasting protests in Hong Kong was the most ambitious and comprehensive.
The idea was first to divide Chinese society on an ideological basis, using familiar rhetoric about freedom and democracy and then to apply the Balkan’s model taking into account the special status of Hong Kong with an intention to engage other Cantonese-speaking regions in the protests against Chinese government.
However, this plan also failed miserably because it has not met with a positive response in Macau, Guangzhou or Shenzhen.
It seems that the Anglo-American coalition must apply some more creative methods, perhaps something like a new modified opium war, in order to destabilize China.
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USA is doing a modified opium war. That's the why USA invaded Afghanistan. However, China is nuclear super power nation today. USA or new Eight-Nation Alliance couldn't confront China directly. This is the same as Russia.

There is a saying: you can't beat them, join them.

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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 6:57pm
 
Here Is Why Xinjiang Is Targeted To Undermine CHINA

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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 7:46pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 6:43pm:
USA is doing a modified opium war. That's the why USA invaded Afghanistan. However, China is nuclear super power nation today. USA or new Eight-Nation Alliance couldn't confront China directly. This is the same as Russia.

There is a saying: you can't beat them, join them.


Well, then...The CCP will have no problem inviting UN investigators to examine the claims of Uighur slavery and live organ harvesting.

However, given the cover-up of the virus and the refusal to allow an open investigation of Wuhan including the Wuhan Virology lab, any investigation will not be permitted.

The only option will be for an alliance of the world’s democracies to contain and isolate the CCP’s China as the first action to end the CCP.


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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm
 
Poor Victor Sunny the witting tool of the CCP. If he was in China he would have to have special privileges to post stuff outside the CCP's control. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:36pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
Poor Victor Sunny the witting tool of the CCP. If he was in China he would have to have special privileges to post stuff outside the CCP's control. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Yeah, but Lee, how do we know its absolutely the truth?  I mean, it is the same mob that told us, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - when there is none.   Osama bin ladin - is in Afghanistan, when he was killed in Pakistan, and may always had being there. 

Like you, I have always treated much of 'world' news with certain skeptism.
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Reply #24 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:55pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:36pm:
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
Poor Victor Sunny the witting tool of the CCP. If he was in China he would have to have special privileges to post stuff outside the CCP's control. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Yeah, but Lee, how do we know its absolutely the truth?  I mean, it is the same mob that told us, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - when there is none.   Osama bin ladin - is in Afghanistan, when he was killed in Pakistan, and may always had being there. 

Like you, I have always treated much of 'world' news with certain skeptism. 

Don't be an idiot, tickleandrose (is that a pun on Tokyo Rose?) . A CCP useful idiot.

The CCP has banned foreign journalists from mainland China. Why? The CCP has prevented full disclosure of the virus's origin and free investigation of Wuhan. Why?

Garbage like the CCP as with its totalitarian predecessors (of which they are a monster copy) will do to its people what it likes including bashing old ladies defending their homes from being bulldozed.

The only way the CCP will be stopped is by confrontation. Like the Fascists, National Socialists and Stalinism.

Now, head to the grindstone and earn your 50 cents.
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Reply #25 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:04pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:55pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:36pm:
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
Poor Victor Sunny the witting tool of the CCP. If he was in China he would have to have special privileges to post stuff outside the CCP's control. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Yeah, but Lee, how do we know its absolutely the truth?  I mean, it is the same mob that told us, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - when there is none.   Osama bin ladin - is in Afghanistan, when he was killed in Pakistan, and may always had being there. 

Like you, I have always treated much of 'world' news with certain skeptism. 

Don't be an idiot, tickleandrose (is that a pun on Tokyo Rose?) . A CCP useful idiot.

The CCP has banned foreign journalists from mainland China. Why? The CCP has prevented full disclosure of the virus's origin and free investigation of Wuhan. Why?

Garbage like the CCP as with its totalitarian predecessors (of which they are a monster copy) will do to its people what it likes including bashing old ladies defending their homes from being bulldozed.

The only way the CCP will be stopped is by confrontation. Like the Fascists, National Socialists and Stalinism.

Now, head to the grindstone and earn your 50 cents.


I get that you absolutely loath the Chinese government.  But, I cannot help but feel that in the recent 12 months or so, we had been conditioned by the media for possible upcoming conflict or war. 

Whatever they are doing to those Urghurs, they probably had that going for a long time if not decades.  So, for decades, the west had turned a blind eye to it.  But then suddenly over the past 12 months its all a big problem. 

Is there a sudden change of mind?  Finding of an acheing and caring heart? 

I very much doubt it.  But rather, the events in the past 12 months, a mixture of truth, semi truth, and untruth about China - its government AND its people, had lead me to see the similarities between now, and events leading up to the Iraq war. 
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Reply #26 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:09pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:04pm:
I get that you absolutely loath the Chinese government. 

It's not a government, its a totalitarian regime.

Defending it is collaboration.

Its already stripped the Chinese people of any honour they might have had. They may as well finish the job and arbitrarily splatter the Chinese nose across its face.

Every western democracy knows that all democracies have a duty to see this threat gone form the world...

The virus is the CCP's Chernobyl... Even the CCP gets that.
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Reply #27 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:33pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:09pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:04pm:
I get that you absolutely loath the Chinese government. 

It's not a government, its a totalitarian regime.

Defending it is collaboration.

Its already stripped the Chinese people of any honour they might have had. They may as well finish the job and arbitrarily splatter the Chinese nose across its face.

Every western democracy knows that all democracies have a duty to see this threat gone form the world...

The virus is the CCP's Chernobyl... Even the CCP gets that.


Now you are blending ideology with actual fact. 

Again, North, I know you loath the Chinese Government.  But... even as it is a totalitarian government, it is still a form of governance.  In fact, if you look into the pages of the history book.  Totolitarian governments -( concept for a form of government or political system that prohibits opposition parties ) - had been existance for far longer than Democracy.  It dates to the first Emperor of China, the first Emperor of Rome, the first Pharoe of Epypt, down to the prehistoric first chief in nomadic settlements.  This is human history. 

And right now in the world, have emerged two different ideologies.  On one side is democracy and free market capitalism -namely the Western world.  And the other side, the state controlled capitalism  - namely China, Russia, and so far, most of the belt and road countries and most of the middle east countries whom we allied with. 

Nb.  Tickleandrose, is actually meant to be Ticklearose  - the act of tickling a pedal of a rose.  Smiley As simple as that.
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Reply #28 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:37pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:33pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:09pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:04pm:
I get that you absolutely loath the Chinese government. 

It's not a government, its a totalitarian regime.

Defending it is collaboration.

Its already stripped the Chinese people of any honour they might have had. They may as well finish the job and arbitrarily splatter the Chinese nose across its face.

Every western democracy knows that all democracies have a duty to see this threat gone form the world...

The virus is the CCP's Chernobyl... Even the CCP gets that.


Now you are blending ideology with actual fact. 

Again, North, I know you loath the Chinese Government.  But... even as it is a totalitarian government, it is still a form of governance.  In fact, if you look into the pages of the history book.  Totolitarian governments -( concept for a form of government or political system that prohibits opposition parties ) - had been existance for far longer than Democracy.  It dates to the first Emperor of China, the first Emperor of Rome, the first Pharoe of Epypt, down to the prehistoric first chief in nomadic settlements.  This is human history. 

And right now in the world, have emerged two different ideologies.  On one side is democracy and free market capitalism -namely the Western world.  And the other side, the state controlled capitalism  - namely China, Russia, and so far, most of the belt and road countries. 

Nb.  Tickleandrose, is actually meant to be Ticklearose  - the act of tickling a pedal of a rose.  Smiley As simple as that.

Well, let's bring it on.

Totalitarian regimes eventually fight each other when neighbouring or reachable. No democracy has gone to war against another.

The CCP will fall as all of its predecessors have.

Now, off you go...  back to it... Another 50 cents is waiting.
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Reply #29 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:45pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:37pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:33pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:09pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:04pm:
I get that you absolutely loath the Chinese government. 

It's not a government, its a totalitarian regime.

Defending it is collaboration.

Its already stripped the Chinese people of any honour they might have had. They may as well finish the job and arbitrarily splatter the Chinese nose across its face.

Every western democracy knows that all democracies have a duty to see this threat gone form the world...

The virus is the CCP's Chernobyl... Even the CCP gets that.


Now you are blending ideology with actual fact. 

Again, North, I know you loath the Chinese Government.  But... even as it is a totalitarian government, it is still a form of governance.  In fact, if you look into the pages of the history book.  Totolitarian governments -( concept for a form of government or political system that prohibits opposition parties ) - had been existance for far longer than Democracy.  It dates to the first Emperor of China, the first Emperor of Rome, the first Pharoe of Epypt, down to the prehistoric first chief in nomadic settlements.  This is human history. 

And right now in the world, have emerged two different ideologies.  On one side is democracy and free market capitalism -namely the Western world.  And the other side, the state controlled capitalism  - namely China, Russia, and so far, most of the belt and road countries. 

Nb.  Tickleandrose, is actually meant to be Ticklearose  - the act of tickling a pedal of a rose.  Smiley As simple as that.

Well, let's bring it on.

Totalitarian regimes eventually fight each other when neighbouring or reachable. No democracy has gone to war against another.

The CCP will fall as all of its predecessors have.

Now, off you go...  back to it... Another 50 cents is waiting.


This is what US did with the former USSR.  It began with Nixon's visit to China, and then a whole cascade of events which lead to the break down of the Iron curtain, and the fall of the Berlin wall. 

However, I am most worried,   Because, the Western world now, is very different to the Western world back then.  Since then, we've spent billions upon billions on other wars: in Iraq, in Afghanistan,  etc etc.  It is up to a stage where, most of the Western world are hopelessly in debt, and its society divided within.   Even as we have not gone to war with each other, we've gone to most wars the modern world has had, and spent just as if not more. 

N.b. what is this reference about 50 cents?  Like the singer?
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