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Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm
 
We often see silly claims from climate change deniers about record snowfalls, with either an implicit or explicit suggestion that more snow must mean colder temperatures. But this is not actually true. It is just another example of the climate 'skeptic' movement taking advantage of people's ignorance.

If you want to know the temperature, check the temperature, not the depth of the snow.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:14pm:
The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Bobby. wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:26pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
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The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?



Climate change global warming fanatics like Monk
will say the extra snow is caused by the warmer air
creating more clouds which then turns into snow.

Normal people just say that - it's because it's colder.


Ajax wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:48am:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:46am:
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:52pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?



I would love to see the peer-reviewed paper that says it snows when it is warmer. Wink


It's actually common knowledge in cold places. Ignorant people, typically from warmer climates, tend to associate snow with cold weather, meaning weather that is colder than where they live, then simplify this association to assume that the colder it is, the more snow falls. Then they hear of an increase in snow fall in a particularly cold place, and ignorantly equate this with colder weather.

I'll give you a simple tip, if you want to know the temperature, look at the temperature, not the snowfall.


Monologuing again FD, you should stop and read what you're thinking and writing now and again.

Nothing short of dribble....LOL

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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm:
We often see silly claims from climate change deniers about record snowfalls, with either an implicit or explicit suggestion that more snow must mean colder temperatures. But this is not actually true.



So tell us how AGW affects snowfall. Does it snow at temperatures above about 10C. Has AGW raised it to say 18C? Wink

Has Viner's prediction of within a few years snow will be a "rare and exciting event", made in 2000, come true?
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:22pm
 
Obviously the original article never seems to state that more snowfall always means colder temperatures, or even in the particular example they are giving. That would usually be lying. They leave it to the ignorant to draw the wrong conclusion and spread their ignorance on facebook and youtube videos.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:22pm:
Obviously the original article never seems to state that more snowfall always means colder temperatures, or even in the particular example they are giving. That would usually be lying.



lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:18pm:
Has Viner's prediction of within a few years snow will be a "rare and exciting event", made in 2000, come true?


You mean climate scientists lie? Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:33pm
 
Obviously there are those who desperately want to believe that climate change is some grand conspiracy, and they will latch on to every convenient lie they come across, no matter how absurd, then change the topic rather than acknowledge the truth.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:33pm:
Obviously there are those who desperately want to believe that climate change is some grand conspiracy, and they will latch on to every convenient lie they come across, no matter how absurd, then change the topic rather than acknowledge the truth.



Poor petal. Can't even acknowledge the truth. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:47pm
 
Of course, most of the claims posted here by climate "skeptics" are of the same ilk. Look into it for about 30 seconds, and you see the lie.
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freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
Of course, most of the claims posted here by climate "skeptics" are of the same ilk. Look into it for about 30 seconds, and you see the lie.


Now the blogist who is known as "Tamino", a Climate believer. Real name Grant Foster is in DESmogBlog's recommended list. Also Yale's Climate Connections list. So what did Tamino say about this?

"It wasn’t that long ago, back in 2000, that David Viner of the Climate Research Unit stated that winter snowfall in England will become “a very rare and exciting event”. He added that “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” His comments came on the heels of several very low-snow winters in England."

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/snow/

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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 2:23pm
 
That's not a very good excuse Lee.
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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 2:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 2:23pm:
That's not a very good excuse Lee.


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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 5:10pm
 
Congratulations, you found a blogger who tells almost as many lies as you. Now use it as an excuse to tell more lies.
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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 5:39pm
 
Number of years ago. Down early at Bradbury Basketball courts in the Campbelltown area of Sydney and there was snow everywhere just a few weeks out from Christmas. The surrealness of it was that it didn't last for long and only fell in a few other places around Sydney.

...it was a cold night and morning to day.
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Reply #12 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 5:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 5:10pm:
Congratulations, you found a blogger who tells almost as many lies as you. Now use it as an excuse to tell more lies.


Poor petal. So Tamino tells lies?  Is that just about snowfall or also his belief in "KIDS' LIVES MATTER so let's stop climate change". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://tamino.wordpress.com/

So you have climate scientists who tell lies, Tamino, when he doesn't agree with you, tells lies, and you tell lies. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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So Tamino tells lies?


Does it matter? I could find a thousand bloggers who tell lies. Not one would be relevant. If you have to resort to that as an excuse, all that it shows is your desperation.

Why do you tell lies?

And do you have an opinion on the whole snowfall vs temperature thing?
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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
Does it matter? I could find a thousand bloggers who tell lies. Not one would be relevant. If you have to resort to that as an excuse, all that it shows is your desperation.



Poor petal. Just can't accept the truth.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
Why do you tell lies?



I don't petal. That's you.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
And do you have an opinion on the whole snowfall vs temperature thing?



lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:18pm:
So tell us how AGW affects snowfall. Does it snow at temperatures above about 10C. Has AGW raised it to say 18C? Wink

Has Viner's prediction of within a few years snow will be a "rare and exciting event", made in 2000, come true?


My opinion is that snow is not a rare and exciting event. It snows at up to 10C and that hasn't changed. Wink
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Reply #15 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:04pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:51pm:
My opinion is that snow is not a rare and exciting event. It snows at up to 10C and that hasn't changed. Wink



Whilst thats true can you point that out to Alan Jones when he craps on next time about snow discrediting climate change?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:04pm:
Whilst thats true can you point that out to Alan Jones when he craps on next time about snow discrediting climate change?



Do you Listen to Alan Jones? I don't. Perhaps you should tackle him petal. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #17 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:51pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
Does it matter? I could find a thousand bloggers who tell lies. Not one would be relevant. If you have to resort to that as an excuse, all that it shows is your desperation.



Poor petal. Just can't accept the truth.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
Why do you tell lies?



I don't petal. That's you.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 8:26pm:
And do you have an opinion on the whole snowfall vs temperature thing?



lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:18pm:
So tell us how AGW affects snowfall. Does it snow at temperatures above about 10C. Has AGW raised it to say 18C? Wink

Has Viner's prediction of within a few years snow will be a "rare and exciting event", made in 2000, come true?


My opinion is that snow is not a rare and exciting event. It snows at up to 10C and that hasn't changed. Wink


Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?
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freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?


Why you dont.......................????

Quote:
An ice age is a long period of reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers.

Earth's climate alternates between ice ages and greenhouse periods, during which there are no glaciers on the planet. Earth is currently in the Quaternary glaciation, known in popular terminology as the Ice Age.


[1] Individual pulses of cold climate within an ice age are termed glacial periods (or, alternatively, glacials, glaciations, glacial stages, stadials, stades, or colloquially, ice ages), and intermittent warm periods within an ice age are called interglacials or interstadials.[2]

In the terminology of glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in both northern and southern hemispheres.

[3] By this definition, we are in an interglacial period—the Holocene.

The amount of heat-trapping gases emitted into Earth's oceans and atmosphere is predicted to prevent the next glacial period, which otherwise would begin in around 50,000 years, and likely more glacial cycles.[4][5]

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Ice Ages also cause major Droughts.
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Ajax wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 11:07pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?


Why you dont.......................????


No. Do you think snowfall keeps increasing with decreasing temperature?
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lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:17pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:04pm:
Whilst thats true can you point that out to Alan Jones when he craps on next time about snow discrediting climate change?



Do you Listen to Alan Jones? I don't. Perhaps you should tackle him petal. Grin Grin Grin Grin




I just assumed you did.
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Reply #22 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:56am
 
It seems that other than bobby, no-one is prepared to actually say it. Hard to separate the liars from the fools.
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freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?



wow stupid or just playing at it?

Snow depends on moisture. Colder and no moisture no snow. Colder and more moisture more likely to snow. Wink
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:25am:
I just assumed you did.



Yet you seem to know more about him than I. That seems to indicate you do petal. Wink
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lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:25pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?



wow stupid or just playing at it?

Snow depends on moisture. Colder and no moisture no snow. Colder and more moisture more likely to snow. Wink


Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer? Show everyone how honest climate skeptics are.
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lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:27pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:25am:
I just assumed you did.



Yet you seem to know more about him than I. That seems to indicate you do petal. Wink



I just know that he's aclimate skeptic and he trots the same old line out whenever it gets cold or snows.
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Reply #27 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 7:41am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 11:07pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Do you think you keep getting more snow the colder it gets?


Why you dont.......................????


No. Do you think snowfall keeps increasing with decreasing temperature?



I don't think so FD.
There has to be moisture in the air for it to snow.
Very cold air  has no moisture in it and so can't cause snow.

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freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:39pm:
Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer? Show everyone how honest climate skeptics are.



That is a straight answer petal.  Even a 12 year old can understand it. There must be moisture in the atmosphere to rain, hail, sleet, snow.

Antarctica is listed as a desert. Only about 2 inches of precipitation a year.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:54pm:
I just know that he's aclimate skeptic and he trots the same old line out whenever it gets cold or snows.



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Reply #30 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 2:10pm
 
Yes I just know because it gets reported on. YOu know this cool new thing the kids are doing called reading something then recalling it later.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 2:10pm:
es I just know because it gets reported on.


So second or third hand reports. OK then. Wink

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 2:10pm:
YOu know this cool new thing the kids are doing called reading something then recalling it later.



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lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:39pm:
Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer? Show everyone how honest climate skeptics are.



That is a straight answer petal.  Even a 12 year old can understand it. There must be moisture in the atmosphere to rain, hail, sleet, snow.

Antarctica is listed as a desert. Only about 2 inches of precipitation a year.


So why do you think people keep posting stories here of high snowfall as evidence that there is no global warming? Ajax and Bobby for example, not some unknown blogger I just googled.
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Reply #33 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 4:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 3:35pm:
So why do you think people keep posting stories here of high snowfall as evidence that there is no global warming?


So why do climate scientists say such things as in a few short years snow will be a rare and exciting event?

Or -

"‘Next year or the year after, the Arctic will be free of ice’
Robin McKie

Scientist Peter Wadhams believes the summer ice cover at the north pole is about to disappear, triggering even more rapid global warming"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/21/arctic-will-be-ice-free-in-s...

Why do they do that?

freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 3:35pm:
Ajax and Bobby for example, not some unknown blogger I just googled.



who was this unknown blogger of which you speak?
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Reply #34 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 5:56pm
 
For someone who is so afraid of discussing snowfall and temperature, you seem strangely compelled to post in this thread Lee. Are people ignoring you in all the other threads?
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Reply #35 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 5:56pm:
For someone who is so afraid of discussing snowfall and temperature, you seem strangely compelled to post in this thread Lee.


Me discussing snow and temperature. You?
lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:25pm:
Snow depends on moisture. Colder and no moisture no snow. Colder and more moisture more likely to snow.



And yet all I have posted is the truth. You not so much. Wink

You like to ask questions but never give answers. Why is that petal? Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:32pm
 
Well done. Three pages of your BS and you almost managed a straight answer twice.

So why do you think people keep posting stories here of high snowfall as evidence that there is no global warming?

And why are you so desperate to change the subject?
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Reply #37 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:32pm:
So why do you think people keep posting stories here of high snowfall as evidence that there is no global warming?



The same reason scientists say that the Arctic ice will be gone  - 5 years ago. Or disappearing snowfall.  I don't have a crystal ball to let me know why people do things. You?

freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:32pm:
And why are you so desperate to change the subject?



Who is changing the subject petal. Your post is about snowfall vs temperature. But weather and climate are more complex than mere snow vs temperature. I have tried to show you need moisture. Any lack is yours and not my responsibility. You just seem to want to play games. Good for you. Bye.
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    THE CAPITAL REGION of Finland has received so much snow this winter that the metres-high piles hauled to designated snow dump areas may not melt during the course of the summer, reports Helsingin Sanomat.

    In Uusimaa, for example, the amount of snow was 1.7 times higher than last year in January, according to Foreca.

Helsingin Sanomat on Friday wrote that the piles of snow stand almost as high as 20 metres at the dump area in Herttoniemi, eastern Helsinki. In Maununneva, a north-western neighbourhood of the city, lorries have dumped roughly 16,000 loads of snow at the dump area, revealed Tero Koppinen, a production manager at Helsinki City Construction Services (Stara).

The snow ploughed from roads forms a large structure, nicknamed by the locals as the Alps, also at the only snow dump area in Espoo, in Vanttila.

Both Koppinen and Jarkko Lahti, a maintenance supervisor at the City of Espoo, estimated that the snow is unlikely to melt completely during the summer. While the snow may melt to a certain extent as temperatures creep up, the sand mixed in it will at some point form a layer on the snow that isolates heat and inhibits melting.

This may also cause glaciation, where the weight of the top layers of snow causes the lower layers to condense and gradually turn into ice.

The piles of snow are regularly fluffed up to mix in the sand more evenly and encourage melting. Regardless, Lahti estimated that the last piles of snow will not disappear until the autumn rains, according to Helsingin Sanomat.

The newspaper also wrote that the capital region may have already seen the last of snowfall and sub-zero temperatures for this winter."

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/18867-snow-piles-buil...
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freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 3:35pm:
lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 1:39pm:
Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer? Show everyone how honest climate skeptics are.



That is a straight answer petal.  Even a 12 year old can understand it. There must be moisture in the atmosphere to rain, hail, sleet, snow.

Antarctica is listed as a desert. Only about 2 inches of precipitation a year.


So why do you think people keep posting stories here of high snowfall as evidence that there is no global warming? Ajax and Bobby for example, not some unknown blogger I just googled.



Hold on FD,
I have posted mountains of evidence of
record cold weather events -
even in places
like the hot deserts of Saudi Arabia.
They had snow and record cold.
There are 444 pages of it:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/0#0

the evidence is so massive that I couldn't easily find particular cases now.
The evidence shows: snow, ice and record cold on very continent in the world.
Some records go back more than 100 years!

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So why did you pick an article about record snow that did not say anything about the temperatures involved? If you have all the evidence you claim, why promote such obvious BS?

Lee just did the same thing, after all his efforts to appear innocent.

Perhaps it is a Freudian thing with Lee rather than a deliberate attempt to deceive. Lee do you feel compelled to defend the lies posted by climate "skeptics" on this forum by googling unrelated lies on the internet?
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Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Shocked Shocked Cry Grin
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I think Freud also had something to say about people who start cackling hysterically whenever they feel awkward.
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freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I think Freud also had something to say about people who start cackling hysterically whenever they feel awkward.



You feel awkward petal. Never mind. Just keep telling yourself all those lies you keep telling. Wink
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Bobby what exactly do you think you have evidence of? Do you think the climate is actually cooling?
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freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 6:04pm:
Bobby what exactly do you think you have evidence of?
Do you think the climate is actually cooling?


Hi FD,
to be honest I'm not sure.

As I already said - have a look through here -
There are 444 pages of it:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/0#0

Every page has a surprising finding -
that thread is packed with amazing facts -
record cold temperatures
sometimes going back 100 years or more.
Snow and ice in areas where you'd never expect it.

New words - bombogenesis -
to try and explain massive continent wide
extreme cold weather events.
Arctic weather coming down over the USA
and of course Europe.
We've seen ice and snow on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea -
even ice in Saudi Arabia -
a hot desert - I thought?
It's not just an isolated cold weather event -
it's on every continent of the world and each
winter seems to bring more surprises.

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Hi FD,
to be honest I'm not sure.


What about the other "skeptics" here? From what I recall they pretty much all acknowledge the climate is warming.
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Hi FD,
to be honest I'm not sure.


What about the other "skeptics" here? From what I recall they pretty much all acknowledge the climate is warming.



I thought skeptics think the climate is cooling?
They don't believe in global warming -
they don't believe in Al Gore's bullshit.
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Most have taken a far more moderate approach in the face of overwhelming evidence. Lee for example does not take any position at all.
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Most have taken a far more moderate approach in the face of overwhelming evidence. Lee for example does not take any position at all.



First you will have to detail this "overwhelming" evidence.

Do you want to talk about it? I know you channel Freud, well perhaps not, perhaps you just make schist up. Freud was good at that too.
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What about the other "skeptics" here? From what I recall they pretty much all acknowledge the climate is warming.



Is that merely warming or runaway climate emergency warming? The Roman and Mediaeval Warm periods were about as warm as now. What caused that? Chariots with 8 horses instead of 4? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm:
We often see silly claims from climate change deniers about record snowfalls, with either an implicit or explicit suggestion that more snow must mean colder temperatures. But this is not actually true. It is just another example of the climate 'skeptic' movement taking advantage of people's ignorance.

If you want to know the temperature, check the temperature, not the depth of the snow.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:14pm:
The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Bobby. wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:26pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 1:23pm:
[quote]The northern hemisphere winter this year was one of the “coldest in decades”, with experts in Finland suggesting record snowfall will likely not even melt through summer.


Does more snow mean it was colder or warmer Bobby?





Bobby is the worst culprit in his ignorance about that. But Bobby isn't very clever.

Snowfall is not a measure of temperature, it is a measure of precipitation
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Snowfall is not a measure of temperature, it is a measure of precipitation



Actually it is a measure of precipitation, temperature and air pressure combined. Wink
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Bobby is the worst culprit in his ignorance about that. But Bobby isn't very clever.

Snowfall is not a measure of temperature, it is a measure of precipitation



Given that you support the grifter known as Al Gore
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lee wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 6:47pm:
Most have taken a far more moderate approach in the face of overwhelming evidence. Lee for example does not take any position at all.



First you will have to detail this "overwhelming" evidence.

Do you want to talk about it? I know you channel Freud, well perhaps not, perhaps you just make schist up. Freud was good at that too.


See. Nothing.
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See. Nothing.



Yep. No "overwhelming evidence" at all .  Roll Eyes
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The proverbial empty can.
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The proverbial empty can.



Yes you are. Wink
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Posting prolifically. Making constant demands. But even Brian has the courage to actually say something more often than Lee does.
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Posting prolifically. Making constant demands.



and you refuse. Why is that? No "overwhelming evidence" at all? Roll Eyes
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Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?

Not even you do, and you can't ask Lee either as he does not allow himself an opinion on such matters, though he desperately wants you to believe he is on your side.
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Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?

Not even you do, and you can't ask Lee either as he does not allow himself an opinion on such matters, though he desperately wants you to believe he is on your side.


Good question but I think the following including Lee:

The Mechanic,
Ajax,
Lee,
Neferti?
Gordon,
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freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?



Who knows? Climate proxy data has wide error bars. Even the modern thermometric data for GLOBAL temperatures has wide error bars. Local data has been manipulated. BoM homogenises old data by comparing data from hundreds of kilometres away. So a station moved 20m to 500m is supposed to be comparable with that data. It isn't.

Example Marble Bar it no longer has the title of "hottest town in Australia". BoM lowered the temperature by looking at stations 100's of kilometres away.

BoM also adjusted in ACORN-2 about 209 maximum temperature for "statistical" reasons.
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lee wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?



Who knows? Climate proxy data has wide error bars. Even the modern thermometric data for GLOBAL temperatures has wide error bars. Local data has been manipulated. BoM homogenises old data by comparing data from hundreds of kilometres away. So a station moved 20m to 500m is supposed to be comparable with that data. It isn't.

Example Marble Bar it no longer has the title of "hottest town in Australia". BoM lowered the temperature by looking at stations 100's of kilometres away.

BoM also adjusted in ACORN-2 about 209 maximum temperature for "statistical" reasons.



We had the coolest summer in Australia in many decades.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:41pm:
We had the coolest summer in Australia in many decades.



Yes. I suspect a combination of the La Nina, which is now very slightly in Neutral territory and the Indian Ocean Dipole Overturning.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:41pm:
We had the coolest summer in Australia in many decades.



Yes. I suspect a combination of the La Nina,
which is now very slightly in Neutral territory and the Indian Ocean Dipole Overturning.



Yes - there's always a convenient name to explain away cooling.
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Yes - there's always a convenient name to explain away cooling.



And warming.

El Nino's bring warmer temperatures. El Nino's are Natural and nothing to do with AGW. Wink
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?

Not even you do, and you can't ask Lee either as he does not allow himself an opinion on such matters, though he desperately wants you to believe he is on your side.


Good question but I think the following including Lee:

The Mechanic,
Ajax,
Lee,
Neferti?
Gordon,
Gazza,


Do you think any of them would be prepared to come out and say what they think? Lee obviously isn't.
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freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 8:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?

Not even you do, and you can't ask Lee either as he does not allow himself an opinion on such matters, though he desperately wants you to believe he is on your side.


Good question but I think the following including Lee:

The Mechanic,
Ajax,
Lee,
Neferti?
Gordon,
Gazza,


Do you think any of them would be prepared to come out and say what they think? Lee obviously isn't.



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Do you think any of them would be prepared to come out and say what they think? Lee obviously isn't.



I already have petal. The data is too noisy to tell whether we have global warming or global cooling.

So the temperature of the earth is about 288Kelvin. Change has been centred around that. So IF there were 2K warming it would be a change of about 0.7%. Remarkably stable. Wink
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 10:05am:
freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 8:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:57pm:
Bobby are you aware of a single person on this forum who thinks the climate is cooling?

Not even you do, and you can't ask Lee either as he does not allow himself an opinion on such matters, though he desperately wants you to believe he is on your side.


Good question but I think the following including Lee:

The Mechanic,
Ajax,
Lee,
Neferti?
Gordon,
Gazza,


Do you think any of them would be prepared to come out and say what they think? Lee obviously isn't.



They need to stand up and be counted.


OK, so far we have you, who is not sure, Lee, who can't understand the question, Ajax, who has run away, and the rest can't be bothered. Have you ever actually seen any of them say they think the climate is cooling? Given the effort you lot all put into pushing this argument, it is remarkable that not one of you have managed to convince yourself. I'd call that an epic fail.
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OK, so far we have you, who is not sure, Lee, who can't understand the question, Ajax, who has run away, and the rest can't be bothered. Have you ever actually seen any of them say they think the climate is cooling? Given the effort you lot all put into pushing this argument, it is remarkable that not one of you have managed to convince yourself. I'd call that an epic fail.



dear FD,
I think you've misunderstood the intentions
of those who have posted evidence for a cooling climate.
It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.

We can agree I'm sure that most news about cold weather
events all over the planet is conveniently left out of the news?
Ozpolitic can be proud that at least we see the true record of events.
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It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.


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I think you've misunderstood the intentions
of those who have posted evidence for a cooling climate.
It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.


Is that the woke way of saying you were lying?



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I think you've misunderstood the intentions
of those who have posted evidence for a cooling climate.
It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.


Is that the woke way of saying you were lying?



I'm not part of the woke movement.
There is no lying - just reporting the facts.


So there is no intention to deceive people into thinking that you believe all the crap you sprout about the climate cooling? Or that any of those other people in your list actually believe it?

Is it not a "narrative" that the climate is warming. It is a fact. Saying that the climate is cooling is a lie.

What are you actually rebelling against?
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:04am:
freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
Quote:
I think you've misunderstood the intentions
of those who have posted evidence for a cooling climate.
It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.


Is that the woke way of saying you were lying?



I'm not part of the woke movement.
There is no lying - just reporting the facts.


So there is no intention to deceive people into thinking that you believe all the crap you sprout about the climate cooling? Or that any of those other people in your list actually believe it?



No deceit -
however I am pissed off at the main stream media for
not telling the whole truth -
just following the global warming narrative
regardless of actual observations.
They are not supposed to be a brainwashing service for faceless people.
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Reply #78 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 8:37am
 
I asked if there is an intention to deceive. Just because no-one takes you seriously does not mean the intent is not there.

Is there an intention to deceive people into thinking that you believe all the crap you sprout about the climate cooling? Or that any of those other people in your list actually believe it?
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Reply #79 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 9:57am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 8:37am:
I asked if there is an intention to deceive. Just because no-one takes you seriously does not mean the intent is not there.

Is there an intention to deceive people into thinking that you believe all the crap you sprout about the climate cooling? Or that any of those other people in your list actually believe it?



It's neither deceit nor crap.
I post the truth - the evidence - you decide.
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Reply #80 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 9:57am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 8:24am:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 8:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 26th, 2021 at 9:04am:
freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 6:37pm:
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I think you've misunderstood the intentions
of those who have posted evidence for a cooling climate.
It's more a rebellious intention to post
evidence that is not part of the main stream news narrative.


Is that the woke way of saying you were lying?



I'm not part of the woke movement.
There is no lying - just reporting the facts.


So there is no intention to deceive people into thinking that you believe all the crap you sprout about the climate cooling? Or that any of those other people in your list actually believe it?



No deceit -
however I am pissed off at the main stream media for
not telling the whole truth -
just following the global warming narrative
regardless of actual observations.
They are not supposed to be a brainwashing service for faceless people.


Even worse they are brainwashing children from an early age to believe this stuff as gospel.

Then when they get to university they don't research.

In my day if the media had said that CO2 controls temperature on Earth and that mans emissions are driving this current warming  most of the science community would have investigated.

These days if you say anything other to the narrative you will surely fail.




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Reply #81 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 10:03am
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 9:57am:
Even worse they are brainwashing children from an early age to believe this stuff as gospel.

Then when they get to university they don't research.

In my day if the media had said that CO2 controls temperature on Earth and that mans emissions are driving this current warming  most of the science community would have investigated.

These days if you say anything other to the narrative you will surely fail.




The pressure to follow the other sheep is enormous.
Look at FD and Monk right now -
totally brainwashed - unable to think for themselves.
Not open to evidence and observation.
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Reply #82 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 10:11am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 10:03am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 9:57am:
Even worse they are brainwashing children from an early age to believe this stuff as gospel.

Then when they get to university they don't research.

In my day if the media had said that CO2 controls temperature on Earth and that mans emissions are driving this current warming  most of the science community would have investigated.

These days if you say anything other to the narrative you will surely fail.




The pressure to follow the other sheep is enormous.
Look at FD and Monk right now -
totally brainwashed - unable to think for themselves.
Not open to evidence and observation.


The missing hot spot did it for me, like I have always maintained after seeing AL Gores Inconvenient Truth I became an instant foot soldier I believed it.

Until I was brave enough to look at both sides, which didnt take very long

HadCRUT4 surface temperature index


The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index produced by the,

a. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the,

b. Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia show the following trends

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

Warming pause ends late 2015 with El Nino event starting late 2015

The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade

That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.


https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

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Reply #83 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 11:14am
 
Thanks Ajax but I don't think Monk or FD will read that.
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Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?
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Reply #85 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 11:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


Scientists that study the sun (helioseismology) say that because of its inactivity in the next few decades the Earth will cool.

These guys dont get any air time on MSM so not many people know that this branch of science is saying that we will cool in the next few ddecades.

Maybe thats why they want to establish the carbon derivatives market in such a hurry, after covid-19 climate change will be the next big thing on the oligarchies menu.

Quote:
Costing the Earth: Funding city climate initiatives with green banks


by Sue Weekes: News editor, Smart Cities World

Green banks are on the rise as cities look for ways to fund essential work to prevent climate change and its effects.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change. This was the stark reality delivered by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5°C.

Cities recognise they need to be on the frontline of the action and a growing list have officially declared a climate emergency, including Krakow, London, Liverpool, Paris, New York and Sydney. According to the Climate Emergency Declaration and Mobilisation in Action (Cedamia) website, more than 888 jurisdictions in 18 countries, covering 161 million citizens, have now declared such an emergency.

As the IPCC highlights, though, fighting climate change costs and the race is on to find sustainable ways to fund green initiatives in cities around the world. This is bringing new momentum behind the green bank movement. On July 2, Washington, DC Mayor, Muriel Bowser, signed the District’s Green Finance Authority Establishment Act, officially making it the first city in the country to establish a government-funded green bank. The bank is being capitalised with $105 million of public funds.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change.

The rest here,

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Thanks Ajax.
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Reply #87 - Mar 29th, 2021 at 6:23pm
 
Oh look Bobby, Ajax doesn't want to answer either.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?
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Reply #88 - Apr 2nd, 2021 at 8:37am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 6:23pm:
Oh look Bobby, Ajax doesn't want to answer either.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


Hey FD do yourself a favour and listen to both sides of the argument.

Only then will you be able to make an informed opinion on the subject matter.

At the moment you sound like a parrot that is spewing out all that it has heard from the one side...... Kiss

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https://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/global-cooling/
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Reply #89 - Apr 2nd, 2021 at 9:14am
 
When the cold comes will wind mills and solar panels save us.....?????

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“Cold Weather Kills 20 Times As Many People As Hot Weather”


https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-m...

However, Excess Winter Deaths are not the worst threats to humanity.

The glacial cycle averages about 100,000 years, consisting of about 90,000 years of the glacial period, when mile-thick continental glaciers blanketed much of the Northern and Southern Hemispheres including Canada, Russia, Northern Europe and Northern USA, and about 10,000 years of interglacial, the warm period of the present.

Earth is now 11,500 years into the current warm interglacial, and our planet may re-enter the glacial period at any time.

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That blasted climate change and death. Wink
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lee wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 12:16pm:
[url]https://i2.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/glob
al-climate-deaths-per-mil-mine-square.png[/url]

That blasted climate change and death. Wink


Pretty much the same lie as equating snowfall with temperature.

Why do climate "skeptics" feel so compelled to propagate these lies?

Ajax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 8:37am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 6:23pm:
Oh look Bobby, Ajax doesn't want to answer either.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


Hey FD do yourself a favour and listen to both sides of the argument.

Only then will you be able to make an informed opinion on the subject matter.

At the moment you sound like a parrot that is spewing out all that it has heard from the one side...... Kiss

https://i.ibb.co/MGSgRNV/GC.jpg

https://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/global-cooling/


Oh look, a climate "skeptic" avoiding the question. Don't you want to correct Bobby's delusions?

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?
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Reply #92 - Apr 2nd, 2021 at 2:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 1:41pm:
Pretty much the same lie as equating snowfall with temperature.

Why do climate "skeptics" feel so compelled to propagate these lies?



So you don't understand an easy graph. Of course you could go to the data as listed -

https//public.emdat.be/data

Graph it and show it to be wrong. OR NOT. Wink

Now a graph for the contiguous USA - yes I know the USA is not global. And it is only for twenty years.

...

So CERES data and Berkeley Earth Data. It was made to show people in the States how much "hotter" it was in the last twenty years. Perhaps you can debunk that as well. Wink
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Reply #93 - Apr 2nd, 2021 at 2:22pm
 
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yes I know the USA is not global


So why bother with your BS if you already know it is BS?

And why is it that the people who self identify as skeptics are the most gullible of all?
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 2:22pm:
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So why bother with your BS if you already know it is BS?



You mean you don't consider the contiguous USA a part of the globe? Roll Eyes

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lee wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 2:41pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 2:22pm:
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yes I know the USA is not global


So why bother with your BS if you already know it is BS?



You mean you don't consider the contiguous USA a part of the globe? Roll Eyes



Yes.

So what? Are you trying to tell us that after years of spinning climate BS, you still don't know how to get historical global temperatures that span more than 20 years?

Or just that like most climate "skeptics" you are full of crap?
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freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 3:04pm:
You mean you don't consider the contiguous USA a part of the globe? Roll Eyes



Yes.



Yes you don't consider the contiguous USA a part of the globe? Roll Eyes
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I do consider the contiguous USA a part of the globe.

So what? Are you trying to tell us that after years of spinning climate BS, you still don't know how to get historical global temperatures that span more than 20 years?

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Reply #98 - Apr 3rd, 2021 at 8:29am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 1:41pm:
Ajax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 8:37am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 6:23pm:
Oh look Bobby, Ajax doesn't want to answer either.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


Hey FD do yourself a favour and listen to both sides of the argument.

Only then will you be able to make an informed opinion on the subject matter.

At the moment you sound like a parrot that is spewing out all that it has heard from the one side...... Kiss

https://i.ibb.co/MGSgRNV/GC.jpg

https://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/global-cooling/


Oh look, a climate "skeptic" avoiding the question. Don't you want to correct Bobby's delusions?

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


The sun is responsible for most of the climate change on Earth always has been always will be.

The scientists that study the sun are telling us that over the next few decades we (planet Earth) will cool down.

Therefore I do believe that we will cool down, hopefully this will not trigger the next glacial period which we are well over due.

The fact that these scientists that study the sun can reconstruct models of the Earth's temperature past or future fairly accurately with changes in the sun gives me confidence that what they are saying will come to pass, but we will see because it is meant to be happening now, give it a few years.

Unlike the computer models that you, monk and others have placed your faith in which now after 30 years since the computer models predicted that we will warm up between 4.5°C to 6°C by the end of this century (2100) if nothing is done to mitigate man made CO2 emissions. 

We can now see through empirical data gathered over the last 30 years since the computer models predicted this warming that they are wrong and running too hot.

Therefore in science if your hypothesis / theory doesn't match the observations in nature then hypothesis / theory is wrong plain and simple.

Empirical data gathered over the last three decades since the computer models made their predictions suggests that at the current warming rate per decade we will warm by 1.07°C by then end of the 2100 century.

This is completely acceptable and natural according to sceptical scientists as we have been warming since the little ice age.


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Earth is now 11,500 years into the current warm interglacial, and our planet may re-enter the glacial period at any time.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/01/the-next-great-extinction-event-will-not-...



Cycles of the Earth's climate.


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Let's try again for a straight answer.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?
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freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 8:41am:
Let's try again for a straight answer.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


I believe we have started cooling and will cool for the next few decades in accordance with the scientists that study the sun.

the answer is ...........................YES......!!!
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Ajax wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 8:49am:
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 8:41am:
Let's try again for a straight answer.

Ajax do you believe, as Bobby claims, that the climate is cooling?


I believe we have started cooling and will cool for the next few decades in accordance with the scientists that study the sun.

the answer is ...........................YES......!!!


Congratulations on finally coming out of the closet.

How long do you think the climate has been cooling for?
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Some more examples of how climate "skeptics" are the most gullible people in the world:

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Poor petal. Keeps jumping ship. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Meanwhile as much as you don't like satellites, NASA does.

And Temperature LOWER troposphere is not temperature at 18Km up.

And of course those pesky NASA temperatures that don't back up your assertion of 0.86C increase in temperatures since 1983.

And you pointed them to the data that shows yours lies. Too funny. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Yes they do.

You are full of crap Lee.
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freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2021 at 8:11am:
Yes they do.



Is that a glance at your 0.86C Rise since 198. I gave you the data, I gave you the animated version and they both disagree with you. That makes you a mendacious prat. Roll Eyes
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