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This is how the lie really started.
Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm
 
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not. Either way, they are prepared to exploit Western pluralism and tolerance to obfuscate in the face of any criticism of Islam. Those who have not converted yet, champion the notion that Islam is just another culture that should be accepted under the umbrella of “multiculturalism.” These people are prepared to use the vilest and unfounded accusations about anyone who disagrees with them, especially those of us who are at least honest with ourselves about what we see of Islam in the World News on the ABC, SBS and other platforms.  Muzlims will use our freedoms to find ways to attack those who do not recognise Mohamed, that much is understood by the Government, but they cannot defend against people on this forum who are prepared to corrupt the very intention of multiculturalism by indulging in relativism and hypocrisy.
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:00pm
 
Yet another brilliant rebuttal from the resident islamophile.

How does he come up with this stuff?

It's simply amazing how incontrovertible and concise his debating statements are.

Truely brilliant in it's form and delivery.

The way he puts forward the incredible "tsk tsk"

The exemplary use of  "islamophobe"

And that marvellous "dearie dearie me" sends shivers up my spine.

He is really showing his maturity and knowledge.......that of a child pretending to be an adult.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #3 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.
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Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:15pm
 


issue,

Well said, in the OP.


n.b.
All followers of ISLAM [notwithstanding their deceit] absolutely reject the ethic of the tolerance and acceptance of the other.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 8:47pm
 
Thanks Meg
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:07pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 8:47pm:

Thanks Meg



Weren't there some classes in your university years, where someone taught you     the value     of engaging in reasoned debate,
and of critical [logical] thinking ?

Well, apparently not.



If some person gives expression to an opinion or a worldview which you disagree with, well, they must just be,   ....wrong !

Cheesy


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:08pm
 
Yes but only with those who practice it themselves. You dont you just repeat the same tired old mantreas and never once learn.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:38pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:08pm:

Yes but only with those who practice it themselves. You dont you just repeat the same tired old mantreas and never once learn.



1/ Every person who self-identifies as a moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must HATE, and **fight and kill people who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

[** or at the very least, must support those directly engaged in that warfare]

3/ If a person did not want to associate themselves with what ISLAM is, that person would CHOOSE to [at least within his own heart!] renounce ISLAM, and to denounce what ISLAM is, and leave it.


Q.
What haven't i learnt ?



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:40pm
 
Empsthy tolerance respect for humanity. All the catholic social thought priniciples
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:01pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

Empsthy
tolerance
respect for humanity.


All the catholic social thought priniciples



According to your thought process,      ....anyone who has the audacity to criticise ISLAM [and to criticise what ISLAM is], is somehow making a 'victim' of every moslem.




QUESTION;
What is there to criticise about ISLAM ???


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https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-in-the-west



Critical thinking.

I don't see murderers, and their wana-be-accomplices, as victims.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #11 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:04pm
 
Cliche's

Jewish upper-class of homo-sexual illuminati

Christian middle-class of borings and bullshit.

Moslem lower-class of mass breeding rednecks.

...all part of the Zarathustrian bog roll of words on paper.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:05pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Persecuting innocent people merely because they worship a different god to you, Yadda?  Shame on you, shame on you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:05pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Persecuting innocent people merely because they worship a different god to you, Yadda?  Shame on you, shame on you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yadda is a Christian I believe and as Islam is an Abrahamic religion then they would be worshipping the same God. Geez, I hope the taxpayer didnt fund your education, I want my money back.
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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 6:49am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:05pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Persecuting innocent people merely because they worship a different god to you, Yadda?  Shame on you, shame on you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yadda is a Christian I believe and as Islam is an Abrahamic religion then they would be worshipping the same God. Geez, I hope the taxpayer didnt fund your education, I want my money back.


After comparing the Allah of the Qur’an and the Yahweh of the Bible, it should be apparent that they could not be referring to the same God.

Either the Muslim Allah is the true God or the Christian Yahweh is the true God, or neither is true.

As the Law of non-Contradiction teaches, they both cannot be true.

One thing should be sure, though, the God of Muhammad cannot be the Father of Jesus.

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Yadda wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:07pm:

Weren't there some classes in your university years, where someone taught you     the value     of engaging in reasoned debate,
and of critical [logical] thinking ?




A quote, speaking to the blind and fundamental [extremist] error, of those who worship, within the temple of Political Correctness [who are unwilling to allow open enquiry or transparency]....

"If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
- J.S. Mill - English philosopher - on people who try to silence opinions with which they disagree




Open debate allows      ...those engaged in it,
1/ to formulate arguments,
2/ and to then be prepared to publicly defend those arguments with logic and reason, in open public debate.

If the argument(s) are weak and without merit, everyone there [who observes the arguments presented in the debate], will come to that conclusion.



IMO, those who are unwilling to allow open enquiry and open debate [on an issue],
always do so because they are always seeking to hide some guilty malevolence [which open debate would expose - to condemnation or ridicule].

i.e.
Such people     have a personal motive,     for wanting to deny and disallow the transparency of open debate.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?

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Reply #17 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam. I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.
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John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?




I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam.



I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.



John_Smith,

Any person who criticises ISLAM [for the violence and the vicious murders which are being inspired by ISLAM, and by ISLAMIC law],
is engaging in      'bigotry about Islam',      by your 'ethical code'.

That's B.S.



QUESTION;
What is there to criticise about ISLAM ???


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https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-in-the-west



John_Smith,

Why do you refuse to concede, that persons who criticise ISLAM [for what is done in the world, in its name], seem to be morally justified ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #20 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam. I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.


And that's your best shot?

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issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam.


I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.



And that's your best shot?




issue,

Is that your best reply ?


John_Smith is calling you a bigot.

He's accusing you of being a bigot, presumably, because you are a critic of ISLAM.



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia.  So much democracy, hey?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophilia it seems.

Just throwing in my two cents worth....
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There you have the face of complacency.
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You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley
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Reply #26 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley

Different god?? Elsewhere you keep saying it's  the same god.
Inaccurate posts? You have never once demonstrated that.
Persecution - am I persecuting you by disagreeing with you and pointing out your idiocies and absurdities and how unmoored you are? And if that's  persecution - what's  wrong with it????
Can't idiots and frauds like you be pilloried? Can't other ideologues like, say, Muslims, commies, progs, Gretas, etc  be ridiculed and exposed?

Tsk tsk and  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   are not arguments, idiot, no matter how much you put them up INSTEAD OF an argument.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:

You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?


Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.



Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley



brian,

QUESTION;
How do we 'infidels' distinguish those particular moslems, from the moslems who hate us, and support the jihad against us ?

Have they got a tattoo on their forehead ?    "We are the peaceful moslems!"


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WWW search....
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




Pretending to NOT hate us, is also complying with ISLAM's directive, that "Muslims should preach peace",
while they strengthen themselves against Allah's enemies, while living beside those enemies.


Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...







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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Persecuting innocent people merely because they worship a different god to you, Yadda?  Shame on you, shame on you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yadda is a Christian I believe and as Islam is an Abrahamic religion then they would be worshipping the same God. Geez, I hope the taxpayer didnt fund your education, I want my money back.


I suggest you ask, Moses, that question, Rhino.  He'll have an interesting answer for, I don't doubt.  Yadda has never proclaimed his beliefs but I rather suspect because of his continual quoting from the Bible and his condemnation of Islam that he is a Christian.  Personally, I couldn't give a stuff what he says except he seeks to persecute innocent Muslims for no other reason than that they worship a god he doesn't like.  Silly, really but what have I come to expect from the Islamophobes that I have encountered...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #29 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 8:43am
 
But the truth is it wasnt a lie.

Muzzos the world over celebrated the destruction of the twin towers and the deaths of thousands of people.

But the grubberments of the world saw the danger in publicizing that fact because they had so many of the nutcases living in their countries and to ostracize them could bring on civil war.

Its all politics and you know it you islamophile
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #30 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 
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Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 


The passages remain in the Bible, filling those who believe what is written with hate and bile towards non-Christians.  We see it everyday in the postings from Moses, Yadda, Soren, etc.  Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:05am:
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 


The passages remain in the Bible, filling those who believe what is written with hate and bile towards non-Christians.  We see it everyday in the postings from Moses, Yadda, Soren, etc.  Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How very convenient for Muslims to ignore large passages of violence inducing hatred whilst continuing to view the Koran as a ‘Holy' text. Yes, the ravings of Moses, Yadda et al may be spiritually neanderthal but there are literally thousands of today’s biblical scholars who openly criticise many of the passages in the Bible and nobody from any church has even suggested they be stoned to death. Try that anywhere in the Middle East.
Central to these issues is the delusional concept any text can be claimed to be ’The Word of God’. 
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Reply #33 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 11:41am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:54am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:05am:
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 


The passages remain in the Bible, filling those who believe what is written with hate and bile towards non-Christians.  We see it everyday in the postings from Moses, Yadda, Soren, etc.  Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How very convenient for Muslims to ignore large passages of violence inducing hatred whilst continuing to view the Koran as a ‘Holy' text. Yes, the ravings of Moses, Yadda et al may be spiritually neanderthal but there are literally thousands of today’s biblical scholars who openly criticise many of the passages in the Bible and nobody from any church has even suggested they be stoned to death. Try that anywhere in the Middle East.
Central to these issues is the delusional concept any text can be claimed to be ’The Word of God’. 


The passages remain there, in the Bible, something undeniable.  The passages remain in the Q'ran again something that is undeniable.  As to how many Bibiblical scholars criticise those passages, I have no idea and I have done a Doctor of Divinity degree.  Yes, some do, most don't.  Most just ignore them.  I am sure that is the same amongst most Muslim theologians as well.  What proportion of Muslims just skim over them?  I have no idea.  Any guess is just a guess.  How many Muslims actually believe and undertake those passages as being "the undeniable word of God," again I have no idea and again, any guess is just a guess. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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[quote author=Ayn_Marx link=1616215283/32#32 date=1616460877]
The passages remain there, in the Bible, something undeniable.  The passages remain in the Q'ran again something that is undeniable.  As to how many Bibiblical scholars criticise those passages, I have no idea and I have done a Doctor of Divinity degree.  Yes, some do, most don't.  Most just ignore them.  I am sure that is the same amongst most Muslim theologians as well.  What proportion of Muslims just skim over them?  I have no idea.  Any guess is just a guess.  How many Muslims actually believe and undertake those passages as being "the undeniable word of God," again I have no idea and again, any guess is just a guess. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes 

Congratulations on having obtained a Doctor of Divinity degree. Sadly today that’s absolutely no guarantee of intellectual respectability. You could have some catching up to do. May I suggest you obtain a copy of 'Theology & Biblical Studies' published bi-annually by Bloomsbury Press?

From a post on DEGREE INFO forum <https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/what-is-the-best-or-worst-seminary-to-attend.51317/>

Depends. Do they offer a legitimate, rigorous education commensurate with the labels they attach to their degrees? Do they have a faculty with excellent academic credentials? 

I don't even have a problem with a religious institution offering certifications that would not qualify as legitimate academic degrees to train up people for their churches. They can do whatever they want, why would I care? The problem is when they make their educations out to be something they're not, calling light correspondence courses M.Divs or Th.Ds or the like. Degree titles have a meaning independent of any given educational institution, and that's why there are standards established by legitimate accrediting bodies. When an institution like Andersonville plays dishonest games with this, they become worse than the most ugly of secular mills, because "in the name of God" they're misleading a lot of people and producing unqualified people allegedly capable of filling ministry positions. And if a person claims "Well, the good Lord qualified me!", I'll answer "Then why are you seeking validation of this qualification by the Creator of the Universe from a cheap and tawdry human-made correspondence mill?"
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Reply #35 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 12:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:05am:
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 


The passages remain in the Bible, filling those who believe what is written with hate and bile towards non-Christians.


We see it everyday in the postings from Moses, Yadda, Soren, etc.  Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





What brian claims [above, about the bible] is a blatant bare faced lie.

If you doubt me,      ....then compare these texts, on how the Koran commands its followers to treat strangers [disbelievers],
compared to how the God of Israel commands His followers [in the Torah, God's laws] to treat strangers [strangers living among the ancient Israelite's around 3,400 years ago].


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in this post....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1612390579/5#5



brian knows all of this [above].

He, is a 'Doctor of Divinity'.

And yet, you can tell, from     what he repeatedly posts     on OzPol, that brian remains a dissembler [aka, a BIG FAT LIAR AND DECEIVER].



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I suppose the hate being cited in the Bible is the Mosaic law of the O.T.

Why do the anti-Christian brigade all try to tap dance around the fact that the Mosaic law was done away with 2021 years ago?

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The first five books of the Bible are sometimes called the Pentateuch which means “five books.” They are also known as the books of the law because they contain the laws and instruction given by the Lord through Moses to the people of Israel. These books were written by Moses, except for the last portion of Deuteronomy because it tells about the death of Moses. These five books lay the foundation for the coming of Christ in that here God chooses and brings into being the nation of Israel. As God’s chosen people, Israel became the custodians of the Old Testament, the recipients of the covenants of promise, and the channel of Messiah (Rom. 3:2; 9:1-5).

Enter the N.T.:

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


The Law became defunct  2021 years ago

Why are the anti-Christian brigade so afraid to admit this fact?
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Here we see the usual lies and dissembling by Yadda and Moses.  Both want to claim the superiority of their belief but refuse to accept that some people disagree with them and demonstrate the problems with Christianity.  I do not dissemble about my views WRT to religion.  It has been capable of some greats without a doubt but it also has been responsible for some real lows, lows perpetuated in the name of Christ/Mohammed/Yahweh/various Hindu deities and so on.  All caused by belief in the message of [insert deity of choice here] and the writings that glorify the belief in it and it's religion.  Thankfully most believers know their are limits to their belief.  Unfortunately, neither Yadda or Moses appear to do so, which their unending persecution of innocent, law-abiding, peaceful, moderate Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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moses wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 3:27pm:
I suppose the hate being cited in the Bible is the Mosaic law of the O.T.
Why do the anti-Christian brigade all try to tap dance around the fact that the Mosaic law was done away with 2021 years ago?
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So why are such passages still read from the pulpit and still regarded by many as God’s holy word? And why do you imagine Mosaic law is the only evil doctrine contained in that book?
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Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 5:57pm:
moses wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 3:27pm:
I suppose the hate being cited in the Bible is the Mosaic law of the O.T.
Why do the anti-Christian brigade all try to tap dance around the fact that the Mosaic law was done away with 2021 years ago?
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So why are such passages still read from the pulpit and still regarded by many as God’s holy word? And why do you imagine Mosaic law is the only evil doctrine contained in that book?




Ayn_Marx,

The title of this thread is;   "This is how the lie really started."

Instead of doubling down and telling another group of lies, why don't you take this topic [Mosaic law of the O.T.] to another thread ?

And you can ask there, about Mosaic law of the O.T.


This thread was started by issue, to discuss the deceit and obfuscation and lying of moslems,
relating to their religion.

ISLAM.




brian,
A CHALLENGE


Show me in the Koran, where Allah say's he loves strangers [disbelievers]   Deuteronomy 10:17-19

And, where Allah tells moslems, that strangers [disbelievers] must be treated equally with moslems before ISLAMIC law.


Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 11:41am:
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:54am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:05am:
Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 9:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey? 
Not sure funny is the correct term. Can I suggest dishonest? If you acquaint yourself with the hate filled passages in the Koran listing how infidels should be treated you need to ask why these law-abiding, peaceful, mainstream Muslims never object to such blood thirsty urgings. Granted similar encouragement to religious violence can easily be found in the Bible but at least most christians have managed to criticise such passages. 


The passages remain in the Bible, filling those who believe what is written with hate and bile towards non-Christians.  We see it everyday in the postings from Moses, Yadda, Soren, etc.  Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How very convenient for Muslims to ignore large passages of violence inducing hatred whilst continuing to view the Koran as a ‘Holy' text. Yes, the ravings of Moses, Yadda et al may be spiritually neanderthal but there are literally thousands of today’s biblical scholars who openly criticise many of the passages in the Bible and nobody from any church has even suggested they be stoned to death. Try that anywhere in the Middle East.
Central to these issues is the delusional concept any text can be claimed to be ’The Word of God’. 


The passages remain there, in the Bible, something undeniable.  The passages remain in the Q'ran again something that is undeniable.  As to how many Bibiblical scholars criticise those passages, I have no idea and I have done a Doctor of Divinity degree.  Yes, some do, most don't.  Most just ignore them.  I am sure that is the same amongst most Muslim theologians as well.  What proportion of Muslims just skim over them?  I have no idea.  Any guess is just a guess.  How many Muslims actually believe and undertake those passages as being "the undeniable word of God," again I have no idea and again, any guess is just a guess. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes 


Grin Grin

You were guessing ignorantly before your mail order divinity degree, you are guessing ignorantly after it. Yet you boast about it because you guess, ignorantly, that your guesses thereby would be seen as 'educated' ones.


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The passages of the law all rescinded in the bible 2021 years ago.

Why do some people keep lying about this fact

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Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Galatians  2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:11  But that [highlight]no man is justified by the law in the sight of God
, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


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Funny how few Christians recognise that, Moses 'cause they still preach from the Old Testament, they still obey the lore from the Old Testament.  Tsk, tsk, Moses stumbles once up against what most Christians believe today...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Ayn Marx wrote:
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So why are such passages still read from the pulpit and still regarded by many as God’s holy word? And why do you imagine Mosaic law is the only evil doctrine contained in that book?


Which pulpits exactly and are these pulpits being used by people who are in fact genuine Christians?

Do you know that there are many people claiming to be Christians, when in fact they are disobeying the word of Christ and by doing this, they lose the right to be called a Christian?

The Christian doctrine predicts that this will happen.

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Matthew 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 

Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;  but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


So it's very clear that there are certain criteria to be met in order to be a Christian.

Just as there are many people fraudulently posing as defence personal, police, doctors, lawyers, accountants etc. etc., there are many people posing as Christians.

Are you telling me that the frauds are all genuine simply because they say they are?

There are frauds in Christianity, why do the Anti-Christ brigade all try and tell us they are genuine?

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moses wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 6:00pm:
Ayn Marx wrote:
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So why are such passages still read from the pulpit and still regarded by many as God’s holy word? And why do you imagine Mosaic law is the only evil doctrine contained in that book?


Which pulpits exactly and are these pulpits being used by people who are in fact genuine Christians?

Do you know that there are many people claiming to be Christians, when in fact they are disobeying the word of Christ and by doing this, they lose the right to be called a Christian?


How...convenient.  Typical of the dissemblers and the liars who make up the hard-core Christians on this webboard.  Tsk, tsk, much easier to disown them than accept responsibility for their actions, even if it is staring you in the face, hey?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2021 at 5:56pm:
Funny how few Christians recognise that, Moses 'cause they still preach from the Old Testament, they still obey the lore from the Old Testament.  Tsk, tsk, Moses stumbles once up against what most Christians believe today...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You have a 'doctor of divinity' degree, a clearly Christian mail order degree, Bbwian.  Show us where, how, when ANY Christian denomination treats ANYTHING in the OT as doctrinally or otherwise more authoritative than the NT. Go on, show us the worth of your 'degree', you stupid bastard.  Shine, doctor of divinity, it's your field, you idiotic, ignorant, vain old prick.  Go on.

Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  you stupid loon.




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The Ten Commandments

The Ten Commandments are an essential part of both Jewish and Christian theology.  They form the core of the beliefs in both religions.  In Christianity, they are taught to Christians as part of the "intro" to the religion.  It is taught by all Christian Churches and held by Christian Clergy to be central to the religion. 

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Most traditions of Christianity hold that the Ten Commandments have divine authority and continue to be valid, though they have different interpretations and uses of them.[76] The Apostolic Constitutions, which implore believers to "always remember the ten commands of God," reveal the importance of the Decalogue in the early Church.[77] Through most of Christian history the Decalogue was considered a summary of God's law and standard of behaviour, central to Christian life, piety, and worship.[78]

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Guess which part of the Bible this passage occurs in?  Yes, the Old Testament.  Moses maintains that the Old Testament has been abandoned by Christianity.  Has it though?  Ask a Christian Priest.  He'll tell a different story...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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You are a 'doctor of divinity', you vain idiot, yet your only ever source is Wikipedia.

You are just too stupid and too vain.  Tsk, tsk,   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes   Bbwianesque.

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:05am:
Some Muslims believe what they read, most just ignore them and get on with being ordinary, everyday, moderate, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.  Those that believe that stuff become Islamists.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What is an Islamist brian does it have anything to do with Islam?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Do you agree with Ali Sina that all a muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist?

Ask any muslim if they can pick and choose what parts of the Quran they believe in.

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Do you believe in some of the Scripture and reject the rest? Is there any reward for those who do so among you other than disgrace in this worldly life and being subjected to the harshest punishment on the Day of Judgment? For Allah is never unaware of what you do.

https://quran.com/2/85


If muslims are good towards the Kuffar they are doing it in spite of Islam not because of Islam.
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Did anyone notice the outcry of indignation and disgust right across Islam concerning the recent mass atrocities in Mozambique?
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 6:39am:
Did anyone notice the outcry of indignation and disgust right across Islam concerning the recent mass atrocities in Mozambique?


No.

There is a text in ISLAMIC writing somewhere, prohibiting a moslem from criticising another moslem.

They shouldn't do it !

They do not do it !!!


I think Anjem Choudary was making a passing reference to that ISLAMIC 'rule' [when speaking after London 7/7 bombing], he said;

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"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother.
I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #51 - Mar 25th, 2021 at 8:09am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2021 at 7:11am:

There is a text in ISLAMIC writing somewhere, prohibiting a moslem from criticising another moslem.

They shouldn't do it !

They do not do it !!!




as per.....

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Anas ibn Mālik (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Support your brother whether he is an oppressor or oppressed.” A man said: "O Messenger of Allah, I should support him if he is oppressed, but how should I support him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Support him by preventing him from practicing oppression.”


Sahih/Authentic. - [Al-Bukhari]

Explanation

The Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said that one should support his brother and never disappoint him, whether he was an oppressor or oppressed. A man, then, said that helping one’s oppressed brother is by defending him if oppressed, but in case he is the oppressor, how can I help him? The Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) replied that he should help him by preventing him from oppressing others, which in reality is a help to him.
https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/4236
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/03/14/support-wrongdoers-stop-them/


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"whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed"



n.b. !!

Above, in the ISLAMIC text....

"The Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Support him by preventing him from practicing oppression.” "

In the ISLAMIC 'lexicon', the English word    'oppression'    is a code-word for 'DISBELIEF' !!


Soooooo,     ...what The Prophet is suggesting, is, that so long as a moslem oppressor
is acting within what is permitted by ISLAM,
he [the moslem oppressor] is doing no wrong.  !!



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #52 - Mar 29th, 2021 at 7:41pm
 
Reply #46 - Mar 24th, 2021 at 8:34pm
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Guess which part of the Bible this passage occurs in?  Yes, the Old Testament. Moses maintains that the Old Testament has been abandoned by Christianity.  Has it though?  Ask a Christian Priest.  He'll tell a different story...


Why do the loony leftards use lies to debate?

Any one who has read my numerous posts on this subject, if they are honest, would say that I continuously post N.T. verses which clearly say one thing e.g..

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Quiet obviously the Law was done away with 2021 years ago.

The law is a segment of the O.T..

One component of the O.T. (the law) has been superseded by faith in Christ.

The rest of the O.T. is relevant if used in the the setting that was meant.
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Reply #53 - Mar 29th, 2021 at 8:05pm
 
And so all the Christian Churches, all the Christian Clergy, all the Bishops, the Arch-bishops and the Pope and so on, are once more proved by the lone voice of Moses to be actually non-Christians and that they should all be excommunicated from their churches!  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a shame you aren't el Popa, Moses, what a shame you aren't the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury, you aren't the leader of all the other Christian denominations.  You know, all the denominations that continue to preach from the Old Testament, to preach that the message of the Old Testament is important to Christianity, hey?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, all I learnt in my DD degree was wasted, right, cause we learnt all about the Old Testament.  Funny that, right?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #54 - Mar 29th, 2021 at 8:18pm
 
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?
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Reply #55 - Mar 29th, 2021 at 9:44pm
 
moses wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?


And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #56 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 10:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 9:44pm:
moses wrote on Mar 29th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?


And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Because the NT would be incomprehensible without the OT,  thicko Bbwian.  What do you have against the Psalms, thicko. Against the Book of Job, Song of Songs, the books of the major and minor prophets,  etc? There is indeed much to learn from these books. That's why ghey are regarded as part of wisdom literature.  You are het up by the historic books, telling the story of the various wars. Chronicles, not action plans or instruction for future conduct.

As someone supposedly trained in history and a doctor of divinity, you must know this but pretend otherwise. You must also know that the status of the Bible is not the same for Christians as the status of the Koran is for Muslims: unalterable, eternal word of god, dictated directly by an angel to one man.  You know that no such laughable claim is made for any of the books of the Bible but you will, nevertheless, pretend otherwise to your dying day.

In short, you KNOW you are lying yet yo go on and insist on lying more.  Tsk, tsk, lying Bbwian, tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 10:57am
 
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And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?


I reiterate:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?
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Reply #58 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 11:16am
 
moses wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 10:57am:
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And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?


I reiterate:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?


They preach from it.  They use it's lessons to illustrate the message they are conveying, they speak it's language.  Who says they do not adhere to it's law?  The 10 Commandments are a piece of that law.  Are you denying they adhere to the 10 Commandments, Moses?  Really?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #59 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 12:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 11:16am:
moses wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 10:57am:
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And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?


I reiterate:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?


They preach from it.  They use it's lessons to illustrate the message they are conveying, they speak it's language.  Who says they do not adhere to it's law?  The 10 Commandments are a piece of that law.  Are you denying they adhere to the 10 Commandments, Moses?  Really?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The 10 commandments are basic guidelines.

There is no dictated punishment such as in the Koran.

The bible does not demand death, murder, destruction or lopping off limbs.

The bible by 99.999% of Christians is a guide, not a rule book.

The Koran is seen as a book of unalterable rules and punishments believed and followed to the letter by stupid, retarded muzzos.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

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Reply #60 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 4:39pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 12:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 11:16am:
moses wrote on Mar 30th, 2021 at 10:57am:
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And yet they preach from it, using the lessons in the Old Testament to teach their flocks how to behave, Moses?  Why does it form the centre of what they teach, Mmmm?


I reiterate:
None of them preach that the Mosaic law must be conformed to.

Why do you incessantly lie?


They preach from it.  They use it's lessons to illustrate the message they are conveying, they speak it's language.  Who says they do not adhere to it's law?  The 10 Commandments are a piece of that law.  Are you denying they adhere to the 10 Commandments, Moses?  Really?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The 10 commandments are basic guidelines.

There is no dictated punishment such as in the Koran.

The bible does not demand death, murder, destruction or lopping off limbs.


Oh? you must have missed Genesis and Leviticus in Bible Study, Matty.

It demands beheading, burning and hanging, and not just for humans.

Animals who walked upon Yehovah's sacred mountain were to be put to death, along with any slaves, wives or first born sons.

That'll teach them to fear the Lord, no?

You?
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Reply #61 - Mar 30th, 2021 at 6:05pm
 
A liar wrote:

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They preach from it.  They use it's lessons to illustrate the message they are conveying, they speak it's language.  Who says they do not adhere to it's law?  The 10 Commandments are a piece of that law.  Are you denying they adhere to the 10 Commandments, Moses?  Really?


Christians do not use the Mosaic law. It was superseded 2021 years ago by faith in Christ:

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Quote:
Who says they do not adhere to it's law?  The 10 Commandments are a piece of that law.


Apparently our lying snakemouth ross does not know the difference between Gods law and mans law.

For Christians the commandments are acknowledged as being Gods' Law. Commandments (Gods' Laws) are eternal.

The Mosaic law is acknowledged as being mans law. The law is not the commandments and vice versa.

The law was rescinded 2021 years ago. The commandments are eternal.

So once again we see snakemouth ross exposed as the lying piece of human filth he/she/it is.

brian ross is a liar
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Reply #62 - Mar 31st, 2021 at 11:16am
 
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It's law, and it's in the Bible - the Old Testament - and it is taught as being important by Christian churches, Moses.  You lose out on two major points.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #63 - Mar 31st, 2021 at 3:14pm
 
Slither around all you like, you lied.

Your incessant lies cannot alter the irrefutable facts:

The 10 commandments are not Mosaic law.

Mosaic law was rescinded 2021 years ago by Christians.

The 10 commandments are eternal.

brian ross is a liar
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Reply #64 - Mar 31st, 2021 at 3:49pm
 
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It's law, and it's in the Bible - the Old Testament - and it is taught as being important by Christian churches, Moses.  You lose out on two major points.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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