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Reply #15 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:45am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 9:07pm:

Weren't there some classes in your university years, where someone taught you     the value     of engaging in reasoned debate,
and of critical [logical] thinking ?




A quote, speaking to the blind and fundamental [extremist] error, of those who worship, within the temple of Political Correctness [who are unwilling to allow open enquiry or transparency]....

"If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
- J.S. Mill - English philosopher - on people who try to silence opinions with which they disagree




Open debate allows      ...those engaged in it,
1/ to formulate arguments,
2/ and to then be prepared to publicly defend those arguments with logic and reason, in open public debate.

If the argument(s) are weak and without merit, everyone there [who observes the arguments presented in the debate], will come to that conclusion.



IMO, those who are unwilling to allow open enquiry and open debate [on an issue],
always do so because they are always seeking to hide some guilty malevolence [which open debate would expose - to condemnation or ridicule].

i.e.
Such people     have a personal motive,     for wanting to deny and disallow the transparency of open debate.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: This is how the lie really started.
Reply #16 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?

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Reply #17 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 4:37pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: This is how the lie really started.
Reply #18 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam. I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.
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Reply #19 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?




I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam.



I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.



John_Smith,

Any person who criticises ISLAM [for the violence and the vicious murders which are being inspired by ISLAM, and by ISLAMIC law],
is engaging in      'bigotry about Islam',      by your 'ethical code'.

That's B.S.



QUESTION;
What is there to criticise about ISLAM ???


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https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-in-the-west



John_Smith,

Why do you refuse to concede, that persons who criticise ISLAM [for what is done in the world, in its name], seem to be morally justified ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #20 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam. I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.


And that's your best shot?

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Reply #21 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 10:13pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 9:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:02pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 7:57am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 7:06pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Some people on this forum identify with Islam, whether as believers or not.



You started by showing you haven't clue and got progressively worse from there.


So, you are one of them then? If not, what in particular do you disagree with?



I do not have to 'identify with Islam' to call out your bigotry about Islam.


I just have to read your posts and recognise the bullshit for what it is.



And that's your best shot?




issue,

Is that your best reply ?


John_Smith is calling you a bigot.

He's accusing you of being a bigot, presumably, because you are a critic of ISLAM.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #22 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 10:40pm
 

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia.  So much democracy, hey?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 4:36pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophilia it seems.

Just throwing in my two cents worth....
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Reply #24 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 4:43pm
 
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There you have the face of complacency.
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Reply #25 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm
 
You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley
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Reply #26 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:
You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?  Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.  Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley

Different god?? Elsewhere you keep saying it's  the same god.
Inaccurate posts? You have never once demonstrated that.
Persecution - am I persecuting you by disagreeing with you and pointing out your idiocies and absurdities and how unmoored you are? And if that's  persecution - what's  wrong with it????
Can't idiots and frauds like you be pilloried? Can't other ideologues like, say, Muslims, commies, progs, Gretas, etc  be ridiculed and exposed?

Tsk tsk and  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   are not arguments, idiot, no matter how much you put them up INSTEAD OF an argument.
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Reply #27 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 10:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 8:37pm:

You actually have the face of boredom.  Utter boredom.  You continually spout that you want to persecute innocent people merely because they worship a different god.  It is boring reading your hate filled posts continually because they are so wildly inaccurate, so wildly crazy.  Guess what?


Ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding, mainstream Muslims don't fit your description of them at all.



Funny that, hey?  You've never spoken to a Muslims in your life more than likely and it shows in all your posts.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Smiley



brian,

QUESTION;
How do we 'infidels' distinguish those particular moslems, from the moslems who hate us, and support the jihad against us ?

Have they got a tattoo on their forehead ?    "We are the peaceful moslems!"


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WWW search....
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




Pretending to NOT hate us, is also complying with ISLAM's directive, that "Muslims should preach peace",
while they strengthen themselves against Allah's enemies, while living beside those enemies.


Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...







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Reply #28 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 11:51pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:13pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia it seems.  Tsk, tsk.  Persecuting innocent people merely because they worship a different god to you, Yadda?  Shame on you, shame on you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yadda is a Christian I believe and as Islam is an Abrahamic religion then they would be worshipping the same God. Geez, I hope the taxpayer didnt fund your education, I want my money back.


I suggest you ask, Moses, that question, Rhino.  He'll have an interesting answer for, I don't doubt.  Yadda has never proclaimed his beliefs but I rather suspect because of his continual quoting from the Bible and his condemnation of Islam that he is a Christian.  Personally, I couldn't give a stuff what he says except he seeks to persecute innocent Muslims for no other reason than that they worship a god he doesn't like.  Silly, really but what have I come to expect from the Islamophobes that I have encountered...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #29 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 8:43am
 
But the truth is it wasnt a lie.

Muzzos the world over celebrated the destruction of the twin towers and the deaths of thousands of people.

But the grubberments of the world saw the danger in publicizing that fact because they had so many of the nutcases living in their countries and to ostracize them could bring on civil war.

Its all politics and you know it you islamophile
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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