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Reply #135 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:02pm
 
What are your proposals?  Star Chamber?  Spanish Inquisition?  Ex Judice hearing by an appointed body loaded with a chosen side?

Who will be satisfied with any of those?  Let's just start from the university standard of guilty until never any possibility of proving innocence then, shall we?  That should satisfy the blood lust out there over an allegation from 1988 (or 1788), for which zero substantial evidence exists.....

"If it were so, then it were a grievous fault............ and grievously hath Porter answered it!"


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Reply #136 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 11:48am:


Wouldn't be anything to do with the incredible expansion of what is now deemed 'sexual harassment', would it?  Like - going onto a campus in WA wearing a Pauline Hanson T-shirt is harassing women on campus, no?  FFS.... anything to grab the mythical 'high ground' - start off by being the aggressor in whining about next to nothing, and then having all the Usual Suspects pile on board without a single thought in their heads...

Hit Pearl Harbour and then tell everyone what bastards the Yanks are for the Doolittle Raid...

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Reply #137 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:15pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:02pm:
What are your proposals?  Star Chamber?  Spanish Inquisition?  Ex Judice hearing by an appointed body loaded with a chosen side?

Who will be satisfied with any of those?  Let's just start from the university standard of guilty until never any possibility of proving innocence then, shall we?  That should satisfy the blood lust out there over an allegation from 1988 (or 1788), for which zero substantial evidence exists.....

"If it were so, then it were a grievous fault............ and grievously hath Porter answered it!"


NO - I am not a Liberal supporter and voted once at State level for Andrew Constance - and I no longer vote for Labor...... I vote for strong and genuine Independents... but I stand for Right as is meet for one who votes for strong Independents...

Tenez Le Droit!!


No need for the hysterics Grappler, just a level head and clear thinking.

An investigation by an eminent Jurist appointed by Morrison, and given powers to facilitate a thorough investigation while at all times honouring the presumption of innocence and requiring Porter to prove absolutely nothing.  Simple, and overwhelmingly necessary.  It is intolerable that the citizens of Australia be left where they are, which is, we have our most senior Law Officer accused of a heinous bastard monstrous mongrel act, and his denial of that act.  Right now, that leaves only two options, one of which is appalling ~ that we have an AG who is a fuqqing rapist arsehole.
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Reply #138 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:28am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17pm:
You have seriously lost the plot, Brian....

Women were not kept barefoot and pregnant etc - they were left in a protected environment while men went out and accepted all the hazards - and women in Australia received universal female suffrage at the same time as men did... there is not one argument that the raving feminists have that supports any water at all... and endlessly carrying on about some mythical past is not going to help the current situation where feminism is rapidly getting out of hand.


Hmmm.  'Mythical past.'  Like your 'mythical past' in which women had the right to vote from the get go with men?  Nah.  Women did not get that right in Australia until 1902.  Men only before that.



The feminist movement is an interest group and like all interest groups (like the IPA) they twist and distort facts to paint themselves in whatever light gives them advantage. Indeed the "mythical past" is the past that feminists have distorted to this end. I dont know the exact situation in Aust but in the US 50% of the men fighting in the WW1 trenches did not have the vote. That's because for decades it was property and wealth that decided who voted. Also women exercise power in different ways to account for their different strengths & to pretend that women have not had as much power in shaping society and their relationship with men is a gross falsehood. Rather the real vehicle for oppression in history has been Class; the upper class women and men oppressing the lower class women and men.

In the 20th century things began to dramatically change for women, driven by such things as the washing machine, the pill and their entry into the workforce because of WW2. With each new development some women wanted a change to the social arrangements because their preference was for the male lifestyle. But my recollection of the 60s and 70s is that more women were opposed to feminism than men because they were happy being the housewives and the princesses who were courted and had doors opened for them. But things change and "I think" most women now don't want to be that housewife. Fine but that doesn't change the history that when women were the housewives instead of going down the mines to contract black lung, it was not because of a patriarchy or oppression but because of the social arrangements between the sexes that evolved and continuously changed over the centuries in general accordance with what suited a majority of men and women given the conditions that prevailed at the time.

But again because feminism is an interest group that's the mythical history they wish to render because it garners them considerable advantages which are undeserved and fundamentally unjust. 

One other point on this is the horrid idea that its some how right to discriminate against men and boys of this generation (who could not have any responsibility for any of the claimed passed wrongs) to benefit the women and girls of this generation (who were not themselves the victims of any of the claimed wrongs) in order to redress the claimed wrongs of the past. Forgetting for a moment how vile an idea that is, ask yourself how will we ever rid ourselves of bigotry & discrimination this way. We're just changing oppressors (if that narrative is true) arent we?
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Reply #140 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:15pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:02pm:
What are your proposals?  Star Chamber?  Spanish Inquisition?  Ex Judice hearing by an appointed body loaded with a chosen side?

Who will be satisfied with any of those?  Let's just start from the university standard of guilty until never any possibility of proving innocence then, shall we?  That should satisfy the blood lust out there over an allegation from 1988 (or 1788), for which zero substantial evidence exists.....

"If it were so, then it were a grievous fault............ and grievously hath Porter answered it!"


NO - I am not a Liberal supporter and voted once at State level for Andrew Constance - and I no longer vote for Labor...... I vote for strong and genuine Independents... but I stand for Right as is meet for one who votes for strong Independents...

Tenez Le Droit!!


No need for the hysterics Grappler, just a level head and clear thinking.

An investigation by an eminent Jurist appointed by Morrison, and given powers to facilitate a thorough investigation while at all times honouring the presumption of innocence and requiring Porter to prove absolutely nothing.  Simple, and overwhelmingly necessary.  It is intolerable that the citizens of Australia be left where they are, which is, we have our most senior Law Officer accused of a heinous bastard monstrous mongrel act, and his denial of that act.  Right now, that leaves only two options, one of which is appalling ~ that we have an AG who is a fuqqing rapist arsehole.


Do you wonder which way he wipes, Arsie?
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Reply #141 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:57pm
 
Feministd do not want to 'bring down the patriarchy' - they want to replace men in the best paying soft jobs in it.....

Anyway - Back To The Issue, Marty...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/pm-breaks-silence-christian-porter-denying-rape-allega...

"Tom Flanagan
Tom Flanagan·News Reporter
Thu, 4 March 2021, 11:16 am·2-min read

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has backed Attorney-General Christian Porter to return to work after he identified himself as the cabinet minister facing historic rape allegations.

An emotional Mr Porter categorically denied allegations he raped a 16-year-old girl in 1988 on Wednesday, while refusing to stand down amid calls for an independent inquiry into the accusations.

Mr Morrison said on Thursday it was essential to stand by the rule of law and therefore it was vital to enact a "presumption of innocence" for those accused of crimes.

"It is something that every single citizen of this country depends upon — and that is the principle upon which I seek to support to ensure the good governance of our country," he said."


This must mean the government plans to over-ride the Star Chambers currently extant in the universities to 'hear' allegations of sexual misconduct by men.... does Morrison actually have the balls to take on these feminist strongholds?  Or is he afraid of the bad press that will say he's exposing his daughters to rape in the future by removing these vile kangaroo courts from the hands of feminised houses of learning?   Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #142 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 11:32am:
So, Turnbull is digging in with Porter and vetoing any further investigation by him because, as he asserts, the NSW Police have done that and the matter is closed as required by the Rule of Law.

Bullshit, they have not even interviewed Porter (we know that) and it is likely they have not interviewed any potential witnesses.  This is a snow job.

This refuge in the voodoo of the Rule of Law is also bullshit.  He would not have a clue what that means.  I see even MicMac is citing it as a refuge.  What the fuq would he know about it???  What part of the Rule of Law would be violated if the PM ensured a thorough investigation into very serious allegations made and aired in public against the most Senior Law Officer in this Land?  We cannot be left wallowing here.  She accuses him of rape ferfuxsake.  Not cheating at marbles.  He denies it.  If she is telling the truth, we have a bastard arsehole monster as our AG.

It doesnt matter, he is innocent until proven guilty. Just like anyone else. The police cant prosecute, end of story.  Lots of false rape allegations, the complainant is dead.
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Reply #143 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:59pm
 
So - this 'eminent jurist' is he/she or his/her findings going to satisfy the blood lust of the mob outside tearing at the castle gates?

If the rule of law is followed and the rules of evidence.... there is only one conclusion...... and I'm sure that will start another witch hunt....
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Reply #145 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm
 
Even you, Aussie, fell into the trap of saying 'he looked guilty' at his public announcement, because he reminded you of those husbands who were looking for their lost wife after they killed them...

How fair is that in advance?   Sounds like you've already pronounced guilt...


"The court will now canvas the jury on their reasons for a finding of guilt.  Mr Foreperson - what are your reasons?"

"Well - he looks guilty!"

"That's not enough, sir - what other reasons can you give?"

"Well - he was accused by a fair enough looking lass!"

"Again - that's not enough... what are the reasons for conviction?"

"He's a public figure who should know better!"

"We can't say he should know better until he is found guilty to the proper standard - now please explain your reasons for a finding of guilty!"

"He once slapped a puppy!  AND he wouldn't be guilty if he wasn't on trial, would he .. or wouldn't be on trial if he wasn't guilty!!?"


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Reply #146 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:05pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:00pm:
hang him.


Don't bother with a trial first.. waste of time and money....
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Reply #147 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:07pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:59pm:
So - this 'eminent jurist' is he/she or his/her findings going to satisfy the blood lust of the mob outside tearing at the castle gates?


Dunno, but it is far better than leaving this very dark cloud over the AG's head.

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If the rule of law is followed and the rules of evidence.... there is only one conclusion...... and I'm sure that will start another witch hunt....


Only one conclusion, ey?  Do you have all the available evidence Grappler?

Right now, there are two options, TWO only.  1.  Porter is as inncocent as the driven snow despite his tawdry record in this area.  2.  He is a rapist prick, and, no surprise, given his tawdry record.

You happy with that?  You happy to have Porter carve his signature into your grand piano as an honourable man, and worthy Senior Law Officer as a person accused of rape, and allowed to walk without any decent attempt at transparency?
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Reply #148 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:08pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 10:29am:
She is a victim of whatever circumstances led to her taking her own life.  Porter is the alleged perpetrator of rape and she is the alleged victim of it.

So soon as anyone says he raped me that person is a victim. That's too dumb for words and way too dumb for a former lawyer. To be a victim you have to suffer something [color=#0000ff]in fact
. Its not enough just to say you are. If it were I could go backwards and forwards ad infinitum from being a victim and not a victim of the same alleged rape depending on what side of the bed I woke up each each morning. [/color]

[quote]For the dopey here and such - nobody KNOWS if Porter is innocent or guilty.... nobody KNOWS if this event took place.... if it did not, there is no victim.
Exactly!!!


What we do know is this.  If she is telling the truth, we have a rapist as an Attorney General here in Australia.  As you say, one or the other is lying.  Which one?  There are many questions left unaddressed.  Many potential witnesses not yet out of the closet.  There are historical comments made by her to friends in which she complains of the incident.  I don't have a timeline so I cannot say whether they fit into the 'recent complaint' exception to the hearsay rule.  We do know that Porter was in the same place as the woman was at the time she says the incident occurred.  It seem he had at least 'opportunity.'

The advice to the police appears to be that that evidence is inadmissible and the rest of what you've said looks like its just made up or of very little value. "Many" potential witnesses? Where did you get that from? And witnesses to what? The rape? If there was even so much as a witness who saw them go into a room together we would have heard of it by now. He had opportunity big deal?



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Reply #149 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:11pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm:
Even you, Aussie, fell into the trap of saying 'he looked guilty' at his public announcement, because he reminded you of those husbands who were looking for their lost wife after they killed them...

How fair is that in advance?   Sounds like you've already pronounced guilt...


"The court will now canvas the jury on their reasons for a finding of guilt.  Mr Foreperson - what are your reasons?"

"Well - he looks guilty!"

"That's not enough, sir - what other reasons can you give?"

"Well - he was accused by a fair enough looking lass!"

"Again - that's not enough... what are the reasons for conviction?"

"He's a public figure who should know better!"

"We can't say he should know better until he is found guilty to the proper standard - now please explain your reasons for a finding of guilty!"

"He once slapped a puppy!  AND he wouldn't be guilty if he wasn't on trial, would he .. or wouldn't be on trial if he wasn't guilty!!?"


***swoons**



Lampoon it as much as you like.  Right now, Christian Porter is exactly like those Husband who get on TV and blubber about wanting the missing wife back, only later to be convicted of her murder.

Maybe it is just me, but if I were in his shoes, I'd be standing there saying what I know to be true....boldly, no tear in my eye, no compunction......and say, "I have never raped anyone.  This allegation is bullshit."  Further, I would not need to take two weeks off to get my head together....if I was an innocent man.  My head would have a very clear conscience, and not need anything.
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