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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Mt Warning to be closed Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:26am What a bloody joke. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-clo...
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Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:29am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:26am:

What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-clo...

Which part? he closure of Wollumbin National Park to visitors (due to COVID-19 restrictions) needs to be extended due to visitor safety concerns after recent engineer's assessment of critical infrastructure.'
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In other words its unsafe.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:30am NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:37am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:30am: NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat. This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons. https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warni...
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Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:38am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:30am:

NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.

This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warni...

Or the other take is that the funding for NPWS has been comprehensively cut so they can't afford to maintain iti

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131540 Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:39am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:29am: Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:26am: What a bloody joke. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-clo... Which part? Gordy saw "Aboriginal", and was immediately triggered.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year. This walk is part of my cultural heritage.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am: I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year. This walk is part of my cultural heritage. So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,
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Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:00am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am:

I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.

So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers! Listen up! There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns! And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it! Now get with it, people!!"

And a national park is a NATIONAL park - not the sole province of some tiny group... get with it, people!

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Reply #9 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:03am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am:

I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.

So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers! Listen up! There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns! And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it! Now get with it, people!!"

UNfortunately this is the key here " if handled properly". NPWS can't account for that

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Reply #10 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am:

I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.

So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

More unsafe than sitting on the sofa watch Netflix, I guess.

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Reply #11 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:40am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am:

I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.

So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

More unsafe than sitting on the sofa watch Netflix, I guess.

Ummm......ok.

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Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Reply #12 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:49am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 10:43am:

I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.

So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers! Listen up! There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns! And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it! Now get with it, people!!"

UNfortunately this is the key here " if handled properly". NPWS can't account for that

Why should they have to - they are not yet a dictatorship.... they can only say - these are the basic rules, these are the facilities we have available in the event you get into trouble, and these are our procedures for ensuring we can find you if necessary etc... under no circumstances should they be dictating what people can and can't do.... and that old 'cost of rescue' doesn't really cut it - the majority of the costs are in 'standing costs' - i.e. simply having the facilities available for rescue EVERYWHERE in the locality, such as (up there) beaches, car crashes, covid (or mental asylum) breakouts from Queensland, missing dementia patients, etc...

You cannot say that the annual budget of Murwillumbah's ambulance service is taken up in Mt Warning rescues or that the Westpac chopper spends all day and night at Mt Warning... false figures...

A chopper costs more on the ground than in the air.... maintenance and upkeep on any aircraft etc is very costly.... but as I said about the firebombers - better to have them ready than not at all... even if they cost $11,000 an hour to operate with an enormous turnaround rate where there is water available... around here say ten minutes between drops given our lake system - that is cheap compared to the flashy one-shot 737 etc... and the Fireboss is only about $3000 an hour... with up to half the load... (sort of like comparing a Skyraider to a B-17 - Skyraider single engine on full combat load carried twice the weight of ordnance of a B-17)...

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20230 Gordon Gender:	Re: Mt Warning to be closed Reply #13 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:59am My suggestion. 100000 visitors x $15 Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom Abos do maintenance on the track Abo ticket collectors Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience
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Reply #14 - Feb 26^th, 2021 at 4:00pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26^th, 2021 at 11:59am:

My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience

Yeah - if it's all about the Coon Cheese haters, they should at least work for the dole...

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