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Jan 21st, 2021 at 6:52am
 
Men and women kill their children in roughly equal numbers, and we need to understand why


On average, one child is killed by a parent almost every fortnight in Australia.

Last week, three children — Claire, 7, Anna, 5, and Matthew, 3 — were included in this terrible number. Homicide investigators have formed the "preliminary view" that their mother, Katie Perinovic, was responsible for their deaths before killing herself.

Their grieving father, Tomislav Perinovic, and Katie Perinovic's parents have reportedly accepted the police's version of events.

It was less than a year ago that Hannah Clarke and her children Aaliyah, Laianah and Trey were killed by their father, Rowan Baxter, who doused their car in petrol and set it alight.

In 2019, Anthony Harvey was sentenced to life in prison in Perth for killing his small children Charlotte, Alice and Beatrix, his wife Mara and her mother Beverley.

Also that year, Charmaine McLeod is suspected to have deliberately caused the head-on collision in Queensland that killed her and her four young children, Aaleyn, Matilda, Wyatt and Zaidok.

How do we make sense of such unfathomable crimes, and what do we know about why they happen?

How many children are killed by parents in Australia?

Filicide is the murder of a child by a parent. Despite making up about 18 per cent of all domestic homicides each year, precise data on the characteristics of filicide are difficult to establish due to the smaller numbers and varied cases.

However, one of the most recent comprehensive national filicide studies in Australia documented 238 cases between 2000 and 2012. This study mirrored trends elsewhere, with male and female perpetrators represented in roughly equal numbers.

Common precursors to filicide included a history of domestic and family violence, parental separation and mental illness.

How the media and public view filicide


On social media, some commentators on this latest case involving Katie Perinovic have been quick to criticise what is perceived as more sympathetic media coverage of women who kill their children. And for some, the fact women and men commit filicide in roughly equal numbers suggests that family violence has no gender.

But filicide is a relative outlier as a form of violence committed by women in relatively equal numbers to men.

Men commit almost all forms of violence at higher rates. And the most common form of domestic homicide — intimate partner homicide — is committed far more by men against women in the context of domestic violence.

Women who kill their children


Research indicates that gender does, in fact, play a role in the type of crime committed and the motivations behind it.

Accidental killings of children, for instance, are more likely to be the result of neglect among mothers and abuse among fathers and stepfathers. This reflects what we know about gender patterns in childcare responsibility and domestic and family violence.

In cases where children are killed intentionally, women are more likely to kill babies and newborns, particularly in circumstances of unwanted pregnancies. Such offenders are more likely to be young and have low levels of social support, although it is increasingly reported among older women.

Mothers are also more likely to kill their children during a psychotic episode.

For example, in 2017, a court found Raina Thaiday of Queensland, who killed her seven children and niece, had been experiencing a severe psychotic episode linked to schizophrenia triggered by long-term cannabis use. The court ruled she could not be found criminally responsible for her actions.

Why men commit filicide


Fathers who kill their children, meanwhile, are more likely to have a history of domestic and family violence. They are more likely to kill out of revenge towards a partner or former partner in the context of family separation.

When John Edwards shot his teenage children, Jennifer and Jack, in Sydney in 2018, his actions followed a history of domestic abuse and separation, and ended in his ex-partner Olga's death by suicide five months later. A senior police source called her death a "slow murder".

And familicide, in which both a partner and children are killed, is committed almost exclusively by men. Researchers suggest this indicates that men are more likely to have proprietary attitudes to both women and children, and women primarily towards children.

While gender patterns around filicide are important to research in order to understand why these crimes happen, not all cases fit neatly into these boxes. Mental illness is often a common interacting factor in both maternal and paternal filicide, and the causes are often complex and multiple.

Remembering the children


When a parent kills, the focus is often on the mindset of the perpetrator rather than the children.

In my ongoing research into media coverage of family murder-suicide cases, I have observed a notable silence around the lives of children and how they experienced violence. It is an uncomfortable topic, but we need to keep children at the centre of these discussions.

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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:31am
 
I wish someone would look into  why the families of those that kill are never taken into account...

most of these children have families that know them well, they dont live in isolated places yet no one sees anything coming  no stress or even confidence sharing problems or recipes  surely someone would pick up something....once the worst is over we hear very little how families cope with this violent happening. if a stranger takes a life its murder   when its a family member  it must be very hard to use that word...maybe thats what it should be called infant [/b[b]]murder........we do skate over  it a bit I do agree with that
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:56am
 
When men kill kids the narrative is always men are evil.
When women kill their kids it's because an evil man drove her to do it.
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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:24am
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 9:56am:
When men kill kids the narrative is always men are evil.
When women kill their kids it's because an evil man drove her to do it.



evils not a good word gordy we never really know WHY it happens do we?....a few cases the person is unbalanced   and I dont think you can give them a fair trial  so we never know what caused it...

but the children  are forgotten arent they???..by the outside world I mean....the ones left behind    would have to be in the loneliest  place in the world.. I cant see that pain ever going away....
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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 1:39pm
 
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On average, one child is killed by a parent almost every fortnight in Australia.


This is amazing and I really can't understand why anybody would kill a child, least of all a parent.  It must be distressing for the Police and anybody else involved as well. If the parent also commits suicide there isn't much anybody can do, otherwise it is gaol for life, surely.

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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm
 
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:00am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.




I didnt know I was comparing    I am talking about the psychology behind a parent  doing such a thing.....

they say if women ruled the world there would be no WARS   we put so much into creating the next generation   we would never want them to die on a battle field........

yet we are seeing this more and more...these murders would have some planning as well...meaning some thought has gone into what they are going to do...

being a mum   you kind of try to imagine what was going through that mums mind as she prepared for this.... Cry Cry Cry I get nowhere.
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Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2021 at 9:42pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:00am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.




I didnt know I was comparing    I am talking about the psychology behind a parent  doing such a thing.....

they say if women ruled the world there would be no WARS   we put so much into creating the next generation   we would never want them to die on a battle field........

yet we are seeing this more and more...these murders would have some planning as well...meaning some thought has gone into what they are going to do...

being a mum   you kind of try to imagine what was going through that mums mind as she prepared for this.... Cry Cry Cry I get nowhere.


They say that but stats show otherwise.
https://qz.com/967895/throughout-history-women-rulers-were-more-likely-to-wage-w...
https://qz.com/1115269/would-the-world-be-more-peaceful-if-there-were-more-women...
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Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2021 at 10:32pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 23rd, 2021 at 9:42pm:
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:00am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.




I didnt know I was comparing    I am talking about the psychology behind a parent  doing such a thing.....

they say if women ruled the world there would be no WARS   we put so much into creating the next generation   we would never want them to die on a battle field........

yet we are seeing this more and more...these murders would have some planning as well...meaning some thought has gone into what they are going to do...

being a mum   you kind of try to imagine what was going through that mums mind as she prepared for this.... Cry Cry Cry I get nowhere.


They say that but stats show otherwise.
https://qz.com/967895/throughout-history-women-rulers-were-more-likely-to-wage-w...
https://qz.com/1115269/would-the-world-be-more-peaceful-if-there-were-more-women...




thats a joke.. how far back would you like to go..

we can all google stats on WARS CAUSED BY MEN>>. who do you think would win the count???....


from reports  Argentina started the War of the Faulklands....


I wold hardly call the streets of London a battle field  it was women fighting MEN for the right to VOTE

what a terrible thing to want    what a terrible thing to have to break windows  and starve oneself to death for.. Angry Angry Angry Angry.. didnt you notice they didnt put their sons up to fight for them
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Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 8:23pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:00am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.




I didnt know I was comparing    I am talking about the psychology behind a parent  doing such a thing.....

they say if women ruled the world there would be no WARS   we put so much into creating the next generation   we would never want them to die on a battle field........

yet we are seeing this more and more...these murders would have some planning as well...meaning some thought has gone into what they are going to do...

being a mum   you kind of try to imagine what was going through that mums mind as she prepared for this.... Cry Cry Cry I get nowhere.


lol, women are highly revengeful creatures and prone to irrational mood swings. Too much power for them ain't a good idea.
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Reply #11 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 8:39pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 8:23pm:
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:00am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 10:12pm:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2021 at 3:19pm:
I wonder how much money is invested into finding why this appears to be increasing...they do intense studies on  what makes a serial killer....and most are lacking empathy.....but all we hear in these cases is the parent was a loving caring happy well adjusted person.... Undecided


do they ever leave notes i wonder...its so cold blooded..


Serial killers are meticulous planners. These child killers do it in fits of rage and/or depression. Little comparison.




I didnt know I was comparing    I am talking about the psychology behind a parent  doing such a thing.....

they say if women ruled the world there would be no WARS   we put so much into creating the next generation   we would never want them to die on a battle field........

yet we are seeing this more and more...these murders would have some planning as well...meaning some thought has gone into what they are going to do...

being a mum   you kind of try to imagine what was going through that mums mind as she prepared for this.... Cry Cry Cry I get nowhere.


lol, women are highly revengeful creatures and prone to irrational mood swings. Too much power for them ain't a good idea.




nice I must say  I am about to put up another thread PT111....perhaps you have a comment on the women involved in this case..
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