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Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 11:22am:
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Yadda wrote on Dec 24th, 2020 at 9:41am:
a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


I just have one question.

In Islam muslims universally agree that the religion consists of 5 core tenets. Basically, if a muslim is asked to summarise Islam as succintly as possible, they would invariably cite these 5 tenets as being the 'core' of the religion.

I know a learned man as yourself knows exactly what these 5 tenets are.

So my question is, which of these tenets specifically causes human beings to transform into homocidal maniacs - and why?



Here is an example of a Muslim trying to hide the Quran.

Very sneaky Gandalf.


The 5 pillars are based on the Quran.

You pretend Islam is purely about killing jews and rape and pillage.

Yet, no one refutes the fact that the 5 pillars are universally agreed by muslims to be the best summation of the "essense" of Islam that we have. And not one of those 5 pillars mentions rape, pillage or slaughtering jews.


Who came up with the 5 pillars?

Are they acts, or beliefs?
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Re: 5 pillars
Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:22pm:
Who came up with the 5 pillars?


I believe they are based on what is most emphasised in the holy texts of Islam. Even a cursory study of the Quran (as well as the ahadith) quickly makes this pretty obvious.

Whoever it was that first articulated these as "the 5 pillars" is neither here nor there - whats important is that muslims worldwide overwhelmingly agree that they represent the core essence of Islam.

freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:22pm:
Are they acts, or beliefs?


I would describe them as acts of belief.
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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:54pm
 
It seems a little strange that what you describe as the core tenets of your belief system are entirely demonstrative, come from an unknown author, and are merely "alluded to" in the Quran. Wikipedia describes them as "ritual obligations". The first one for example, the shahada you are supposed to recite, is not even in the Quran.
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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:56pm
 
Don't they walk around an asteroid that crashed to earth and kiss it as a ritual???

Poor deluded primitives.

I might just go over there with a cigarette lighter and be their God.
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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:54pm:
It seems a little strange that what you describe as the core tenets of your belief system are entirely demonstrative, come from an unknown author, and are merely "alluded to" in the Quran.

They are not "alluded to" in the Quran.

They are repeated, over and over and over and over - very explicitly.

[quote]Wikipedia describes them as "ritual obligations". The first one for example, the shahada you are supposed to recite, is not even in the Quran.


The shahada is merely declaring your belief that there is no God but God. The principle of montheism is quite possibly *THE* most emphasised point in the Quran.

You really are clutching at straws saying the 5 pillars are not explicit enough in the Quran, therefore they don't represent Islam's core - when for years we know you have been peddling this nonsense that things that are infinitely more obscurely referenced in the Quran (killing and pillaging etc) are the real core essences of Islam.
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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:09pm
 
Shahada says no god but allah.

If the pillars are the ultimate and not the qur'an, why don't the muslims denounce and purge the myriad of evil verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate the thousands of rapes tortures and murders of innocent men women and children around the globe every year?
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Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:54pm:
It seems a little strange that what you describe as the core tenets of your belief system are entirely demonstrative, come from an unknown author, and are merely "alluded to" in the Quran.

They are not "alluded to" in the Quran.

They are repeated, over and over and over and over - very explicitly.

[quote]Wikipedia describes them as "ritual obligations". The first one for example, the shahada you are supposed to recite, is not even in the Quran.


The shahada is merely declaring your belief that there is no God but God. The principle of montheism is quite possibly *THE* most emphasised point in the Quran.

You really are clutching at straws saying the 5 pillars are not explicit enough in the Quran, therefore they don't represent Islam's core - when for years we know you have been peddling this nonsense that things that are infinitely more obscurely referenced in the Quran (killing and pillaging etc) are the real core essences of Islam.


Would it be fair to say that fighting and killing gets more coverage in the Quran than pillar 4?
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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
Would it be fair to say that fighting and killing gets more coverage in the Quran than pillar 4?


fasting?

No, I don't think so.

First of all its not that simple - for example the coverage for "killing" would include commands not to kill, or instances where it is condemned - which I'm sure is not what you had in mind.

Secondly, as I have argued many times before, "fighting" is a loose term that can (and in the Quran usually does) mean a non-violent spiritual fight - typically with yourself.

Fasting, like everything else in the 5 pillars, speaks to an internal, spiritual journey for the individual. Pretty much the exact opposite of the stereotype that speaks to a materialistic and political campaign to conquer and rape and pillage. Thats the key point I'm trying to convey.
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Whoever it was that first articulated these as "the 5 pillars" is neither here nor there




This is simply unbelievable.


Islam is manic about rules and authorities about every thought and action. That the authority for it's very pillars are lost in the mist of time and that Muslims aren't fagged about that is either indicative of their mindlessness or is some new sleight of hand (cf taqiyya) by you.



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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:14pm
 
The authority is not in question Frank.

It is the Quran.
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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:18pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:09pm:
Shahada says no god but allah.

If the pillars are the ultimate and not the qur'an, why don't the muslims denounce and purge the myriad of evil verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate the thousands of rapes tortures and murders of innocent men women and children around the globe every year?


You might be lucky, but don't count on an answer. It would probably run something like this. "Then why don't the Christians . . . blah blah blah . . . Like Christians are machine-gunning and beheading people on the streets of civilised countries, because of some perceived insult to Christianity .
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ISLAMIC JIHAD-STRIVING FOR THE CAUSE OF ALLAH

muslims and their apologists lie and tell us jihad is a spiritual struggle

PROOF JIHAD IS NOT A SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE
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qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 48.17: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.


If jihad is a spiritual struggle why do you have to be physically fit, be prepared to give your life?

jihad means: physically carrying out terrorism, torture and mass murder against those the muslims disagree with.
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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 7:58pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:18pm:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:09pm:
Shahada says no god but allah.

If the pillars are the ultimate and not the qur'an, why don't the muslims denounce and purge the myriad of evil verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate the thousands of rapes tortures and murders of innocent men women and children around the globe every year?


You might be lucky, but don't count on an answer. It would probably run something like this. "Then why don't the Christians . . . blah blah blah . . . Like Christians are machine-gunning and beheading people on the streets of civilised countries, because of some perceived insult to Christianity .
If The Enlightenment hadn’t shocked the church into the modern age Christians would still be persecuting anyone who disobeyed it's various sects vicious ‘moral' edicts. Give any religion sufficient control of government and it will run amok.
With God on your side, what’s to stop you? And don’t come that crap about Christ’s teachings. Until and unless all of the Christian world dumps the Old Testament and most Pauls obscene edicts you lot are in no position to preach morality to any of us.

And before anyone imagines I’m letting the Qur’an off the hook, yes that document consists of concentrated evil. However, to contrast that so called Holy Book with the Bible in an attempt to paint the church as pure as snow is no more than dishonest, theological sophistry.
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Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 10:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:14pm:
The authority is not in question Frank.

It is the Quran.

So the 5 pillars are in the koran as the 5 pillars?  No. They are in a hadith which has two versions, only one of them saying that mohammed is a prophet.

What is the authority behind each of these versions of the hadith of gabriel?
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First pillar: Shahada (Profession of Faith)                  “There is no god, but Allah.”
Second Pillar: Salat (Prayer)
Third Pillar: Zakat (Almsgiving)
Fourth Pillar: Sawm (Fasting)
Fifth Pillar: Hajj (Pilgrimage)



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The contradiction between “Allahu akbar” and “La illaha illallah” (There is no god but Allah)


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“Allahu akbar” means “Allah is greater,” i.e., greater than your god. This is shirk at the very heart of Islam. It directly contradicts, “There is no god, but Allah.”


If there is no god, but Allah, then who is the god that Allah is greater than? For Allah to be greater than another god, there has to be another god besides Allah. This is what Islam itself says, when it claims, “Allahu akbar.”



Claiming both “Allahu akbar” and “La illaha illallah,” makes Islam shirk, i.e., hudud, sin against god. Islam itself commits its own worst possible sin. I invite Muslims to take this point to their sheikh, ‘alim, mullah, imam, mufti, etc. Best not mention that you’ve heard it from a murtadd, because that would give them the perfect excuse to avoid answering the question, and instead turn on you for reading a murtadd in the first place.

If a Muslim is serious about being Muslim, and can think for themselves, the shirk at the heart of Islam would be a more important reason for leaving this religion immediately, than any other reason on the ever-growing list.


Let’s consider where the list of reasons for leaving Islam is up to today:


    Islam’s insistence that the worst Muslim is better than the best non-Muslim
    The unspeakable cruelty that Islam engenders in Muslims, even towards their own loved ones
    Violence being everywhere in Islam
    Islam’s insistence that obvious falsehoods are true
    Islam’s insistence that Muslims accept without question obvious falsehoods as truth
    Islam’s denying the personhood of women
    Islam’s imperative to violently subjugate the entire world to itself
    The impossibility of a Muslim ever taking a non-Muslim as equal while remaining true to Islam
    Islam’s expectation on Muslims that they do as Muslims do, even if it is incredibly unwise, unethical or dangerous, and to hold in contempt that which non-Muslims do instead (Muslim response to the current CoVID-19 pandemic being both a bizarre and a tragic example of this)
    Islam’s intellectual stunting of Muslims, even those who are very clever by Muslim standards
    Islam’s permanently restricting the ethics of Muslims to that of the Arabian desert barbarians of late antiquity
    The Islamic right to murder one’s children and grandchildren
    Islam’s insistence that the basest behaviours are virtues
    Islam’s insistence that Muslims follow the example of a man who, were he alive today, would be permanently confined to the secure ward of a mental hospital
    Islam’s obliteration of all cultures it encounters and supplanting them with seventh-century Arabian desert culture
    Islam’s propensity for turning decent, civilised people into sociopathic monsters
    Islam’s supremacism (far, far worse than white supremacism)
    Islam’s encouragement of paedophilia
    Islam’s condoning of slavery
    Islam’s making women lesser than men
    Islam’s historic track record that it can only regress civilisation
    Islam’s historic track record that it can only regress ethics
    The pitiful ignorance of Muslims around the world
    The tragedy that is Muslim cognition
    Islam’s non-recognition of rape
    Islam’s assertion that the Qur’an and the life of Muhammad are all that Muslims will ever need
    Islam’s reducing the emotional complexity of humans to nothing more than love, hate and lust (by men only)
    Islam’s command to Muslims to love only Allah and his messenger (all other love can only be through the love of Allah)
    Islam’s command to Muslims to hate all things non-Muslim
    Islam’s reducing all non-Muslims to Untermenschen
    Islam’s advocating genocide of the Jews
    The non-negotiability of Islam’s doctrines and tenets
    Islam’s command that anyone who leaves Islam must be killed
    Islam’s commandments fundamentally contradicting that which makes us human, leaving every Muslim with only two choices: be a hypocrite or be a monster

Of course, this list is far from exhaustive…

O Muslim, if “your iman is strong,” (meaning you insist on ignoring the mountain of evidence that surrounds you and have turned your heart to stone) and none of this fazes you, how do you reconcile yourself to Islam’s built-in shirk? Do you believe La illaha illallah to be untrue? Allahu akbar says it is. Or is Allahu akbar untrue? La illaha illallah says it is. Is your iman more important than avoiding shirk? How much more of this are you going to make yourself take?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/the-contradiction-between-allahu-akbar-and-la...


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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 10:35am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:37am:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
Would it be fair to say that fighting and killing gets more coverage in the Quran than pillar 4?


fasting?

No, I don't think so.

First of all its not that simple - for example the coverage for "killing" would include commands not to kill, or instances where it is condemned - which I'm sure is not what you had in mind.


I'm pretty sure the commands to kill people would far outweigh the commands not to kill people. In any case, you should offer your excuses for the numbers after the numbers come in, not before. You could even count them separately.

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Secondly, as I have argued many times before, "fighting" is a loose term that can (and in the Quran usually does) mean a non-violent spiritual fight - typically with yourself.


I don't recall you ever making this argument. I have seen this argument for the term jihad, but all the references to fighting that I have seen are clear and unambiguous references to slaughtering the infidel.

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Fasting, like everything else in the 5 pillars, speaks to an internal, spiritual journey for the individual. Pretty much the exact opposite of the stereotype that speaks to a materialistic and political campaign to conquer and rape and pillage. Thats the key point I'm trying to convey.


Don't care. You tried to argue that the 5 pillars can somehow replace the Quran or serve as a proxy because they reflect how much attention is given to them in the Quran. This is just another example of you attempting to misrepresent Islam to non-Muslims. Stop changing your "key point" every time your previous key point is shown to be bogus.

So, are you conceding that the Quran does instruct Muslims to fight, kill, die etc in the name of Islam more often than one of the five pillars, or are you pretending that all those instructions to slaughter the infidel might (if we don't read the Quran) actually be instructions not to kill people, or to make great slaughter in the land of our inner demons?

Or are you just telling us that understanding what Islam is really about is too complicated for you and you want us to do it for you?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:14pm:
The authority is not in question Frank.

It is the Quran.


Yet you attempt to discard it and replace it with the 5 pillars, apparently based on popularity rather than religious authority, and an obviously bogus link to the Quran.
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Reply #16 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 11:24am
 
From the other thread:

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freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
It's a recipe for being a Muslim. You could actually satisfy all 5 tenets without believing anything. Perhaps that's the point.


Interesting idea FD.

Perhaps you could elaborate by explaining exactly how the first tenet - which is literally belief in not only the existence, but the oneness of God - can be achieved "without believing anything"?


By reciting the shahada. I'm sure plenty of people have had to do it in order to avoid your "tough titties, off with their heads" comrades. Only to find that surviving as a Muslim in a Muslim land isn't much better.

Do you really not understand the point that the 5 pillars are entirely functionary, like most of Islam? They are certainly not tenets, though I concede that the first one is at least a reference to one. So why try to misrepresent them as such?
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Reply #17 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 2:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 11:24am:
By reciting the shahada. I'm sure plenty of people have had to do it in order to avoid your "tough titties, off with their heads" comrades. Only to find that surviving as a Muslim in a Muslim land isn't much better.


I'm obviously only talking about genuine believing muslims.

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Do you really not understand the point that the 5 pillars are entirely functionary, like most of Islam? They are certainly not tenets


No, really I don't.

Please explain.
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Israel & Islam unite (against Britain's Christianity - the last to fall after Italy, France & Germany).

Israel+Islam=Istari  (I-star-I: the Star between the Pillars of Heaven)
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Reply #19 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 3:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 10:35am:
all the references to fighting that I have seen are clear and unambiguous references to slaughtering the infidel.


Thats because your entire knowledge of the Quran consists of chapter 9. Which is actually just one of 114. That and the misquotes that jihadwatch and moses spoonfeeds to you.

freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 10:35am:
Don't care. You tried to argue that the 5 pillars can somehow replace the Quran or serve as a proxy because they reflect how much attention is given to them in the Quran. This is just another example of you attempting to misrepresent Islam to non-Muslims. Stop changing your "key point" every time your previous key point is shown to be bogus.


The 5 pillars really only make sense in totality - as part of a system for expressing your spiritual commitment to submitting to the one God. Fasting is just one of those expressions. It was your idea to isolate it and give the misleading impression that when its taken on its own, its actually not that significant - not mine. Of course, fasting itself is important in Islam, and that importance is justified by sufficient weighting in the Quran. But it only makes sense in the context of the wider system of submission. For example, if you find yourself wavering and giving in to your earthly desires, fasting is one of the key ways of regaining your self control. And this helps you refocus on the importance of belief in the one God, concentrate more on prayer, dispensing with earthly possessions through charity, etc... Of course fasting just for the sake of fasting makes no sense.

freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 10:35am:
Yet you attempt to discard it and replace it with the 5 pillars,


Not true.

The 5 pillars obviously means nothing if it is not an accurate reflection of what is contained in the Quran.
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Ayn Marx wrote Reply #12 - Yesterday at 7:58pm:
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If The Enlightenment hadn’t shocked the church into the modern age Christians would still be persecuting anyone who disobeyed it's various sects vicious ‘moral' edicts.


IF ? The enlightenment did occur, no ifs or buts required. So why go on with all that happened before by people who were disobeying the teachings of Christ?

Their deeds are done and dusted. The Bible tells us that these people and churches are / were not Christians / Christian.

The Enlightenment did happen Christianity changed, there is ongoing change and denouncing of behaviour as most of todays' Christians seek to keep Christs' teachings.

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Give any religion sufficient control of government and it will run amok.
With God on your side, what’s to stop you?


I believe that Christian countries are all secular.

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And don’t come that crap about Christ’s teachings.


The teachings of Christ are the ultimate supreme authority of Christianity.

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Until and unless all of the Christian world dumps the Old Testament and most Pauls obscene edicts you lot are in no position to preach morality to any of us.


Already done 2021 years ago Ayn, with the death of the Messiah on the cross.

His death ushered in the era where mankind is no longer justified by the barbaric deeds of the law.

Instead Christ bears the burden for all the sins of those who have faith in Christ.

E.G.:

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galations 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galations 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

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And before anyone imagines I’m letting the Qur’an off the hook, yes that document consists of concentrated evil. However, to contrast that so called Holy Book with the Bible in an attempt to paint the church as pure as snow is no more than dishonest, theological sophistry.


You are trying to create smokescreens to hide the fact that committing human rights atrocities is not allowed by the doctrine of Christ (the supreme authority of Christianity).

Thieving lying pedophilia rape torture and mass slaughter are all sanctioned by the doctrine of muhammad (the supreme authority of islam).

muslims are committing these atrocities on a daily basis around the globe, they and the doctrine of islam are the trouble.

It's got noting to do with Christianity at all.

So why the fake outrage and fraudulent smokescreens about the doctrine of Christ?

Why are you trying to ignore the real problem of, daily global islamic atrocities?
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I'm obviously only talking about genuine believing muslims.


Yes Gandalf. The genuinely believing ones believe. But do you have a point? Or was it lost in your hubris?

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Thats because your entire knowledge of the Quran consists of chapter 9. Which is actually just one of 114. That and the misquotes that jihadwatch and moses spoonfeeds to you.


None of this is a barrier to you giving a straight answer Gandalf. Does the Quran talk about fighting and killing more than it talks about pillar 4?

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The 5 pillars really only make sense in totality - as part of a system for expressing your spiritual commitment to submitting to the one God. Fasting is just one of those expressions. It was your idea to isolate it and give the misleading impression that when its taken on its own, its actually not that significant - not mine.


You lie Gandalf. This is what you said:

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I believe they are based on what is most emphasised in the holy texts of Islam.


How is it possible to base them on what is most emphasised in the Quran, while ignoring how much each of them is emphasised? You are replacing what the Quran actually says with your own emphasis. You are using the 5 pillars to misrepresent the Quran to non-Muslims, starting with describing them as tenets.

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Of course, fasting itself is important in Islam, and that importance is justified by sufficient weighting in the Quran.


You lie again Gandalf. How many times is fasting mentioned in the Quran?

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Not true.


That is exactly what I quoted you doing in the OP.

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The 5 pillars obviously means nothing if it is not an accurate reflection of what is contained in the Quran.


By you just finished explaining why it does not have to be an accurate reflection of the Quran if you can BS your way through it instead.

Which is, of course, why you refuse to even consider how many times fasting is referred to in the Quran. You know without even looking that you are lying.
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The Five Pillars: Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the infidel Australian.


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If The Enlightenment hadn’t shocked the church into the modern age Christians would still be persecuting anyone who disobeyed it's various sects vicious ‘moral' edicts. Give any religion sufficient control of government and it will run amok.
With God on your side, what’s to stop you? And don’t come that crap about Christ’s teachings. Until and unless all of the Christian world dumps the Old Testament and most Pauls obscene edicts you lot are in no position to preach morality to any of us.



Nonsense. By the time of the Enlightenment Christianity already started its Reformation and it is ongoing.

"Depictions of Thomas Carlyle and David Hume in the Scottish Portrait Gallery will be altered to make it clear they were horrible racist bastards, apparently. All of the Scottish Enlightenment thinkers are under review, including Adam Smith, who thought that people living beyond Europe were largely savage.

I am not sure how they will alter the bust of Carlyle — perhaps chisel a swastika on his forehead? Carlyle was certainly rightish on many issues: you don’t get Friedrich Nietzsche in your fan club if you’re woke. But when I started reading the chap, back in the late 1970s, it was for the witty and sharp Sartor Resartus that I loved him, and his essays on heroes and hero worship. ‘All that mankind has done, thought, gained or been: it is lying as in magic preservation in the pages of books.’

Perhaps, Tom, old chum — but not for long now. The Year Zero lunatics are busy ripping the pages out, possessed by an absolutist monomania that renders them inchoate with rage when they discover that people living 200 or 300 years ago somehow possessed opinions which differ from their own. James Watt had a few interests in slave plant-ations, so let us expunge the steam engine and thus the Industrial Revolution from history. This cancelling of history is, aside from being an expression of almost exquisite stupidity, a religiously inspired pogrom more damaging than anything we have done since the looting of the monasteries. Every figure from our past, every achievement, seen through one profoundly warped lens.

In the USA right now they’re getting Homer kicked off the curriculum and pulling Upton Sinclair and Nathaniel Hawthorne from the libraries. One might have hoped that Scotland, with its fierce and perhaps overweening national pride, would have been more protective of its astonishing history.
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Scotland’s brilliance, its Enlightenment, was occasioned by literacy rates which were better than anywhere on God’s Earth. That is why those great thinkers suddenly sprung forth with such fecundity from a population which in 1700 numbered only a million or so.

And the reason for the commitment to literacy, for ensuring every child had the chance of an education, was Protestantism. As soon as Martin Luther insisted that it was the right and duty of every worshipper to have a personal relationship with God and to be able to read the Bible, literacy flourished. Germany, the Netherlands, Scandinavia (during a time when the literacy rate in Roman Catholic Belgium actually reduced) — wherever Protestantism took hold, literacy very quickly followed and then, a generation later, untold affluence. In Scotland the first local school tax in the world was introduced in 1633 and strengthened in 1646. Protestantism may go some way to explaining why the outcomes for British children of an African heritage vary so wildly — why those who come from countries which, through Protestant missions, evolved a respect for education, such as Ghana, Nigeria and Kenya, fare better in school than those in countries that were spared such ministrations, such as Somalia or the DRC. It certainly explains the differing success of the American colonies: Canada and the USA in the north, settled by Protestants, and now the most prosperous countries in the world — and that area below Brownsville, Texas, which was not settled by Protestants, the many lands of banditry, banana republics, dictators and hyper-inflation.

Aside from literacy, Protestantism engendered other beneficial concepts, now almost universally derided. Self-denial, diligence, hard work, obedience, quiescence in the face of authority and, more crucial even than these, patience. Abide a while, your reward will come later: a central tenet of Protestantism. Sociologists have devised a map (based upon worldwide employees of IBM) which charts the national proclivity for ‘patience’. At the top come the countries where Protestantism took hold. They are also, without exception, the world’s most successful countries. The most patient country in the world, according to this survey? Sweden."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-age-of-de-enlightenment#
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Nonsense. By the time of the Enlightenment Christianity already started its Reformation and it is ongoing.

"Depictions of Thomas Carlyle and David Hume in the Scottish Portrait Gallery will be altered to make it clear they were horrible racist bastards, apparently. All of the Scottish Enlightenment thinkers are under review, including Adam Smith, who thought that people living beyond Europe were largely savage.

I am not sure how they will alter the bust of Carlyle — perhaps chisel a swastika on his forehead? Carlyle was certainly rightish on many issues: you don’t get Friedrich Nietzsche in your fan club if you’re woke. But when I started reading the chap, back in the late 1970s, it was for the witty and sharp Sartor Resartus that I loved him, and his essays on heroes and hero worship. ‘All that mankind has done, thought, gained or been: it is lying as in magic preservation in the pages of books.’

Perhaps, Tom, old chum — but not for long now. The Year Zero lunatics are busy ripping the pages out, possessed by an absolutist monomania that renders them inchoate with rage when they discover that people living 200 or 300 years ago somehow possessed opinions which differ from their own. James Watt had a few interests in slave plant-ations, so let us expunge the steam engine and thus the Industrial Revolution from history. This cancelling of history is, aside from being an expression of almost exquisite stupidity, a religiously inspired pogrom more damaging than anything we have done since the looting of the monasteries. Every figure from our past, every achievement, seen through one profoundly warped lens.

In the USA right now they’re getting Homer kicked off the curriculum and pulling Upton Sinclair and Nathaniel Hawthorne from the libraries. One might have hoped that Scotland, with its fierce and perhaps overweening national pride, would have been more protective of its astonishing history.
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Scotland’s brilliance, its Enlightenment, was occasioned by literacy rates which were better than anywhere on God’s Earth. That is why those great thinkers suddenly sprung forth with such fecundity from a population which in 1700 numbered only a million or so.

And the reason for the commitment to literacy, for ensuring every child had the chance of an education, was Protestantism. As soon as Martin Luther insisted that it was the right and duty of every worshipper to have a personal relationship with God and to be able to read the Bible, literacy flourished. Germany, the Netherlands, Scandinavia (during a time when the literacy rate in Roman Catholic Belgium actually reduced) — wherever Protestantism took hold, literacy very quickly followed and then, a generation later, untold affluence. In Scotland the first local school tax in the world was introduced in 1633 and strengthened in 1646. Protestantism may go some way to explaining why the outcomes for British children of an African heritage vary so wildly — why those who come from countries which, through Protestant missions, evolved a respect for education, such as Ghana, Nigeria and Kenya, fare better in school than those in countries that were spared such ministrations, such as Somalia or the DRC. It certainly explains the differing success of the American colonies: Canada and the USA in the north, settled by Protestants, and now the most prosperous countries in the world — and that area below Brownsville, Texas, which was not settled by Protestants, the many lands of banditry, banana republics, dictators and hyper-inflation.

Aside from literacy, Protestantism engendered other beneficial concepts, now almost universally derided. Self-denial, diligence, hard work, obedience, quiescence in the face of authority and, more crucial even than these, patience. Abide a while, your reward will come later: a central tenet of Protestantism. Sociologists have devised a map (based upon worldwide employees of IBM) which charts the national proclivity for ‘patience’. At the top come the countries where Protestantism took hold. They are also, without exception, the world’s most successful countries. The most patient country in the world, according to this survey? Sweden."


     I’m no longer surprised when claims such as yours are made, claims that attempt to whitewash whatever branch of christianity. To suggest protestantism’s rise was somehow accompanied by a separation of church and state is beyond delusional. Granted the reformation attacked the more venal aspects of Roman Catholicism, it’s corruption and power. In so many way’s you’re attepting to put the chicken before the egg. Quiescence in the face of authority?  The Oxford definition gives us :-
quiescence
Noun
inactivity or dormancy.

"this method has been shown to induce sleep-like quiescence in adult animals"

If the reformation had been anything like 'quiescent' the massive turmoil the it caused would not have had the far reaching effect it had on European politics. Europe became divided along confessional, as well as territorial lines. The religious turmoil led to warfare within most states and between many.
I'm not however unaware of the postive effects claimed for the reformation such as literacy being encouraged with the rejection of Latin as the only 'bible language' etc.
Self-denial, diligence, hard work, obedience, and patience may have been postive outcomes of the reformation but they have nothing to do with the separation of church and state.
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I’m no longer surprised when claims such as yours are made, claims that attempt to whitewash whatever branch of christianity. To suggest protestantism’s rise was somehow accompanied by a separation of church and state is beyond delusional.


Church and state were separated for the first few centuries of Christianity. The modern concept arose in Christian Europe. Europeans were just as concerned about the state corrupting the church as they were about the church corrupting the state. This happened in Europe rather than the middle east or north africa because there is no fundamental opposition to it within Christian doctrine. In fact, there is support.

The mistake people like you make is confusing medieval European power structures with Christianity, and seeing the separation of Church and state as a victory over the religion, rather than a victory for the religion.

Christianity is the complete opposite to Islam on this and other issues, which is why the eradication of slavery happened in Europe and spread from there, and why the separation of church and state happened in Europe and spread from there. It was European interference that lead to ending (almost) of slavery in Muslim lands, and we have a long way to go before we see separation of church and state there.
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I’m no longer surprised when claims such as yours are made, claims that attempt to whitewash whatever branch of christianity. To suggest protestantism’s rise was somehow accompanied by a separation of church and state is beyond delusional.


Church and state were separated for the first few centuries of Christianity. The modern concept arose in Christian Europe. Europeans were just as concerned about the state corrupting the church as they were about the church corrupting the state. This happened in Europe rather than the middle east or north africa because there is no fundamental opposition to it within Christian doctrine. In fact, there is support.

Thanks for the lesson in church history.
However, when you throw around the phrase 'Christine doctrine’ you’re throwing a rock at a wasp’s nest. Which particular doctrine? Such covers a multitude of sins many of them having little if anything to do with Christ’s teachings (as we have them).
I get tired of this but I need to repeat every branch of Christianity that’s yet to dump the Old Testament is mired in theological mud. Not that the Old Testament is all rubbish. Exodus Ch 23: V 7 should give some warning of what’s to come in later chapters but it’s seldom read that way.

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Does it matter which sect? None of the mainstream ones are so different as to affect the points being made.
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Does it matter which sect? None of the mainstream ones are so different as to affect the points being made.

Are you serious? Maybe we have a different idea of what ‘mainstream’ is?.
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The catholic church is probably the best example of separation of church and state in Christianity. It is the most institutionalised of all of them, and the one you would most expect to get corrupted by the state, but is now a distinctly separate entity from the governments of Europe.
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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 7:58pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:18pm:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 3:09pm:
Shahada says no god but allah.

If the pillars are the ultimate and not the qur'an, why don't the muslims denounce and purge the myriad of evil verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate the thousands of rapes tortures and murders of innocent men women and children around the globe every year?


You might be lucky, but don't count on an answer. It would probably run something like this. "Then why don't the Christians . . . blah blah blah . . . Like Christians are machine-gunning and beheading people on the streets of civilised countries, because of some perceived insult to Christianity .
If The Enlightenment hadn’t shocked the church into the modern age Christians would still be persecuting anyone who disobeyed it's various sects vicious ‘moral' edicts. Give any religion sufficient control of government and it will run amok.
With God on your side, what’s to stop you? And don’t come that crap about Christ’s teachings. Until and unless all of the Christian world dumps the Old Testament and most Pauls obscene edicts you lot are in no position to preach morality to any of us.

And before anyone imagines I’m letting the Qur’an off the hook, yes that document consists of concentrated evil. However, to contrast that so called Holy Book with the Bible in an attempt to paint the church as pure as snow is no more than dishonest, theological sophistry.


Well, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Christianity DID have a reformation and enlightenment and Christianity today is very unobtrusive in the lives of most people.

The Quran Is the Perfect, Infallible Word of God, that's the great big trip wire which stops Islamic progress and seeded the anti-intellectualism which sent Islam backwards while the western world progressed.

All religious texts have parts which are horror shows, but you need care less about what's actually in the texts but how strictly they're followed.

The followers of Islam are very adherent to their texts which micromanage every part of their lives, therefore, Islam is far more toxic in application than any other religion.
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The enlightenment, the industrial revolution, the scientific revolution, the eradication of slavery, the spread of modern democracy, the separation of church and state, the promotion of individual liberty as a foundation piece of the modern state etc, all happened in Christian Europe. None of them happened in the middle east or north africa (without interference from Europe and America).

This is not a coincidence. Islam is doctrinally hostile to these things. Christianity is either ambivalent, mixed, or supportive.
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freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2021 at 1:47pm:
This is not a coincidence. Islam is doctrinally hostile to these things. Christianity is either ambivalent, mixed, or supportive.

You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.
You can sidestep the problem by defining Christians as those who follow the techings of Christ in the New Testament. (if you believe such to be an accurate report) However, that leaves you with the problem of The Old Testament, a document almost as bloodthirsty as the Koran in parts.
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You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.

Christianity is following the doctrine and paragons of Christ.

He is the unchallenged supreme authority on the criteria of Christianity.

He also foretold that there would be Churches and men who would claim Christianity as their purpose, when in fact they were workers of iniquity.

He unequivocally stated that they are not His followers, they are not Christians.

So it's immaterial what men say and do, you either fit the criteria or you don't, if you don't you're not Christian.

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However, that leaves you with the problem of The Old Testament, a document almost as bloodthirsty as the Koran in parts.


A problem that was solved long ago Ayn.

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Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.


The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

The N.T. tells Christians:

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Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.


Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2021 years ago.

As verified by the following:
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Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


So the conclusion is?

The Jews and Christians long ago gave up their barbaric ways, as decreed by their books.

Conversely:

islam is still in the dark dim past, raping torturing and murdering people as an offering to their satanic god allah.

Obviously islam is the dregs, when it comes to societal rules and regulations.

Why do you keep trying to equate islam with Judaeo Christian ideology?
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freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2021 at 10:08am:
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I’m no longer surprised when claims such as yours are made, claims that attempt to whitewash whatever branch of christianity. To suggest protestantism’s rise was somehow accompanied by a separation of church and state is beyond delusional.


Church and state were separated for the first few centuries of Christianity. The modern concept arose in Christian Europe. Europeans were just as concerned about the state corrupting the church as they were about the church corrupting the state. This happened in Europe rather than the middle east or north africa because there is no fundamental opposition to it within Christian doctrine. In fact, there is support.

Thanks for the lesson in church history.
However, when you throw around the phrase 'Christine doctrine’ you’re throwing a rock at a wasp’s nest. Which particular doctrine? Such covers a multitude of sins many of them having little if anything to do with Christ’s teachings (as we have them).
I get tired of this but I need to repeat every branch of Christianity that’s yet to dump the Old Testament is mired in theological mud. Not that the Old Testament is all rubbish. Exodus Ch 23: V 7 should give some warning of what’s to come in later chapters but it’s seldom read that way.




You can't have a New Testament unless you have an Old testament. New makes sense only if there is an old one to reference.
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Judaism was forced to change and modernise due to North America and Germany helping it along in Europe. Once displaced wandering Jews living off other nations without assimilating, then given a kick in the pants to find their own home: Israel.

The Moslems are still stuck in the past, but Australia and France will be the game changers for them soon. Once a mighty Empire, soon to become displaced wandering 'unarmed' people like what the Jews once were.

Can you see what's happening?  Wink

Sadly for the Moslems then - the Italians will get em as the Mafia (to be far worse than Nazis) will serve the 'gold' of the Vatican.
Millions of Moslems will be genocided with memories of their once great Empire nothing more than a mirage now. No nation will come to their aid because of their past. Praying to Allah to be saved from the slaughter by the Italians - only Israel will come to their aid ironically. An Israel that will defeat Italy and destroy the Vatican for good (as Italy returns to being 'just European' and no longer Christian, like it was before.
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You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.

Christianity is following the doctrine and paragons of Christ.
So, you define Christianity as a sect that follows ’the paragons of Christ'? I presume you mean Christ as paragon? No way can you claim all who regard themselves as Christians do so. In other words you have managed a slippery avoidance of all the central problems I’ve drawn attention to.

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He is the unchallenged supreme authority on the criteria of Christianity.
Well, who else should be? It’s a circular argument.

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He also foretold that there would be Churches and men who would claim Christianity as their purpose, when in fact they were workers of iniquity.

He unequivocally stated that they are not His followers, they are not Christians.

So it's immaterial what men say and do, you either fit the criteria or you don't, if you don't you're not Christian.
And who decides which parts of the New Testament embody the correct criteria? Do you include Paul’s demented ravings or only those passages some claim are the words of Christ?

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However, that leaves you with the problem of The Old Testament, a document almost as bloodthirsty as the Koran in parts.


A problem that was solved long ago Ayn.

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Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Deuteronomy 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.


The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

The N.T. tells Christians:

Quote:
Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.


Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2021 years ago.

As verified by the following:
Quote:
Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So the conclusion is?

The Jews and Christians long ago gave up their barbaric ways, as decreed by their books.

The Jews gave up theire barbaric ways? May I suggest you focus on recent middle eastern events?

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Conversely:

islam is still in the dark dim past, raping torturing and murdering people as an offering to their satanic god allah.

Obviously islam is the dregs, when it comes to societal rules and regulations.

Why do you keep trying to equate islam with Judaeo Christian ideology?


That’s your interpretation of my words.

Your solution to the problem of the Old Testament is no more than sophistry and biblical apologetics. Given what you admit of it’s contents why is that text still read out from Christian pulpits and regarded as the Word of God? You can’t play the game of choosing which parts of the Bible are the Words of The Almighty and which aren’t. simply by asserting “Oh, the naughty bits can’t have been from God, only the good bits."
As to Islam being the dregs, yes , in many ways it is but so many of the religions followed by our species are evil documents. I fail to see why you continually need to place Islam at the top of your list of evil theologies.
In the end though this discussion is pointless given you’re a ’true believer’ in what you take to be your particular Lord’s words and the sadistic nature of his Father, who is actually himself.(If you swallow the fantastic idiocy of trinitarian theology.)
A deity who is supposed to possess omniscience yet grants free will to humanity fully aware where that would lead thus requiring the torture of Christ on the cross to redeem sins he made possible in the first place? Oh, I know, it’s a mystery whose twisted, sad-masochist morality we shouldn’t question.
Never mind, Mathew Ch 16, V 21 & 23 will let you off that particular hook.
This discussion is at an end.

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Reply #38 - Jan 9th, 2021 at 6:27pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 9th, 2021 at 3:36pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2021 at 1:47pm:
This is not a coincidence. Islam is doctrinally hostile to these things. Christianity is either ambivalent, mixed, or supportive.

You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.
You can sidestep the problem by defining Christians as those who follow the techings of Christ in the New Testament. (if you believe such to be an accurate report) However, that leaves you with the problem of The Old Testament, a document almost as bloodthirsty as the Koran in parts.


Can you explain how you went from "ambivalent, mixed, or supportive" to "single theology/doctrine"?

No other religious text is as bloodthirst as the Quran. The Quran is an open-ended instruction to slaughter the infidel in the name of Islam. It is Nazi war propaganda.

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You can sidestep the problem by defining Christians as those who follow the techings of Christ in the New Testament.


After all that effort to make it seem complicated and inscrutable, you come up with something so simple and obvious...
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Reply #39 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:28pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote: Reply #37 - Yesterday at 5:27pm
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So, you define Christianity as a sect that follows ’the paragons of Christ'? I presume you mean Christ as paragon? No way can you claim all who regard themselves as Christians do so. In other words you have managed a slippery avoidance of all the central problems I’ve drawn attention to.


I am the one who is disputing your allegations that all men who say they are Christian actually are.

I am saying that man has to fit the criteria set down by Christ, to be a Christian.

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Well, who else should be? It’s a circular argument.


You agree that Christ is the supreme authority of Christianity, yet you say men who disobey his teachings actually are Christians, simply be cause they say they are?

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And who decides which parts of the New Testament embody the correct criteria? Do you include Paul’s demented ravings or only those passages some claim are the words of Christ?


The teachings of  Christ are the ultimate authority, if there is some doubt as to what to do.

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The Jews gave up their barbaric ways? May I suggest you focus on recent middle eastern events?


May I suggest to you that their doctrine tells them not to do the things required to take the promised land, these deeds are null and void. You seem to be trying to tell us that because some Jews may have acted wrongly this is the proof that their doctrine is evil.

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That’s your interpretation of my words.

Your solution to the problem of the Old Testament is no more than sophistry and biblical apologetics. Given what you admit of it’s contents why is that text still read out from Christian pulpits and regarded as the Word of God? You can’t play the game of choosing which parts of the Bible are the Words of The Almighty and which aren’t. simply by asserting “Oh, the naughty bits can’t have been from God, only the good bits."
As to Islam being the dregs, yes , in many ways it is but so many of the religions followed by our species are evil documents. I fail to see why you continually need to place Islam at the top of your list of evil theologies.
In the end though this discussion is pointless given you’re a ’true believer’ in what you take to be your particular Lord’s words and the sadistic nature of his Father, who is actually himself.(If you swallow the fantastic idiocy of trinitarian theology.)
A deity who is supposed to possess omniscience yet grants free will to humanity fully aware where that would lead thus requiring the torture of Christ on the cross to redeem sins he made possible in the first place? Oh, I know, it’s a mystery whose twisted, sad-masochist morality we shouldn’t question.
Never mind, Mathew Ch 16, V 21 & 23 will let you off that particular hook.
This discussion is at an end.


The bible explains that God is a spirit whose kingdom is within man, that man should worship in spirit and truth.

Men have spoken the words contained in the Bible.

The words of the Bible reflect the inner self of the various authors over assorted periods of time.

Spirit does exist right / wrong, does exist. The God of the Judaeo - Christian religions is meant to represent the Spirit of Righteousness.

I place islam at the top of the satanical list because its' commands to lie, thieve, commit pedophilia, rape, torture and slaughter are all being followed faithfully by muslims globally, right now the 21st century.

The Qur'an is the direct cause and  motivation of this present day evil behaviour, of the muslim islamists.

These atrocities will never stop until the world is honest about the teachings of islam allah muhammad and the qur'an.

Your smokescreens about other beliefs is not helping to stop these human rights atrocities at all, in fact your smokescreens are seen as moral support for the atrocities of the muslim islamists.
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Reply #40 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:48pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 9th, 2021 at 4:32pm:
Ayn Marx wrote: Reply #33 - Today at 3:36pm
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You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.

Christianity is following the doctrine and paragons of Christ.

He is the unchallenged supreme authority on the criteria of Christianity.

He also foretold that there would be Churches and men who would claim Christianity as their purpose, when in fact they were workers of iniquity.

He unequivocally stated that they are not His followers, they are not Christians.

So it's immaterial what men say and do, you either fit the criteria or you don't, if you don't you're not Christian.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, looks like you've just damned yourself with your own words, Moses.  You cannot claim to be Christian because you do not follow what Christ taught.  You are a zealot who believes he is a Christian but you only believe that because it means you can persecute innocent people.  You, sir, are a Fascist of the first order.  You are no better than the Nazis who persecuted the Jews for being, well, Jewish and prosperous.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 10:44am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 6:47pm:
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I'm obviously only talking about genuine believing muslims.


Yes Gandalf. The genuinely believing ones believe. But do you have a point? Or was it lost in your hubris?


Um yes FD. You said its possible to "satisfy all 5 tenets without believing anything". I pointed out that this is completely nonsensical given that the first tenet is literally all about belief. You then responded by referring to people who merely want to avoid getting their heads chopped off. So I clarify that I'm not talking about those sort of 'save-their-skins'-muslims-but-not-really.

The *point* of course being, that your muslims but not really muslims that you were referring to, could not possibly be "satisfying all 5 tenets" as you claimed - if they are not satisfying the all important "belief" tenet could they?

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None of this is a barrier to you giving a straight answer Gandalf. Does the Quran talk about fighting and killing more than it talks about pillar 4?


Oh look, FD once against misses the straightest answer possible to this question that I've already given. Its uncanny isn't it FD?

Shall we start with what arabic words are used to describe "fasting", "fighting" and "killing" - where they occur and in what context? Of course it goes without saying you've already forgotton our discussion of what "fighting", in its various forms thoughout the Quran, actually means, and which ones refer to physical violence and which do not - as well as the need to consider the use of "killing" when it is to condemn and forbid it.

But I'll go out on a limb and say that (without going through the entire book for you), specific references to "fasting" are more prevalent than specific references to sanctioning killing of other people. But of course you would already know that, since I already clearly indicated this in reply#7 - right FD?


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You are using the 5 pillars to misrepresent the Quran to non-Muslims, starting with describing them as tenets.



Right, so now you are objecting to using the words "pillars" and "tenets" interchangeably? Could you get any more ridiculous. Wait, don't answer that.

ten·et
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Dare I say, fasting is a "principle or belief" of Islam.

It is also a major pillar of the religion.

Only an inane pedant who has no interest in a meaningful discussion would find anything wrong with the above statement.
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Reply #42 - Jan 13th, 2021 at 1:53pm
 
Pillars aside what do muslims intend to do about the evil verses in the qur'an, which right now cause and motivate muslims to rape, torture and slaughter innocent men women and children?

Why do muslims rape torture and murder innocent Christians? Because they falsely accuse them of associating partners with the reinvented moon god allah?


Why do muslims associate partners with allah in the qur'an, yet deliberately lie about Christians so as to have an excuse to slaughter them as human sacrifice to the reinvented moon god allah.
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The first lie about allah having no partners is disproved in:

three female deities: al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat in the qur'an.

qur'an 53:11 The heart did not lie [about] what it saw.

qur'an 53:12 So will you dispute with him over what he saw?

qur'an 53:13 And he certainly saw him in another descent

qur'an 53:14 At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -

qur'an 53:15 Near it is the Garden of Refuge -

qur'an 53:16 When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it].

qur'an 53:17 The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit].

qur'an 53:18 [/b]He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.[/b]

qur'an 53.19: So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?

qur'an 53.20: And Manat, the third - the other one?


the refrain that the Quraysh used to chant as they circumambulated the Ka'ba: "Al-Lat, and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other; indeed these are exalted (or lofty, 'ula) gharaniq; let us hope for their intercession."

25."The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah." ... "The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah."

Quraish, the prophet's tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life. "


The muslims retained the three daughters of the pagan moon god allah in the qur'an. It clearly says muhammad saw them in paradise.

The second lie about Christians saying Christ is the son of allah, is disproved by the fact that Christians do not worship reinvented pagan moon gods, they worship a Spirit of Righteousness called Y.H.W.H. in the bible.

What are muslims going to do about the lies and filth in islamic doctrine, which was solely created to give muslims a sacred duty of lies, thieving, rape, torture, and mass slaughter of innocent non muslims?
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Reply #43 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 1:26pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Pillars aside what do muslims intend to do about the evil verses in the qur'an, which right now cause and motivate muslims to rape, torture and slaughter innocent men women and children?


As  soon as Christians do the same with their Bible, Moses.  Tsk, tsk, now who is that said "he without sin cast the first stone"?  Christians sin as often and sometimes far worse than Muslims.  Some Muslims sin but not all Muslims do.  Time to grow up and accept responsibility for the acts of members of your own religion, Moses.  No more jettisoning them simply because you don't agree with them.  If you expect all Muslims to accept responsibility for what a minority do, you should lead the way.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 2:17pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:28pm:
I am saying that man has to fit the criteria set down by Christ, to be a Christian.

And what degree of certainty do you have that the Christ we see portrayed in today’s versions of the New Testament are an accurate picture of a man who may, or may not have existed?
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Reply #45 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 5:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2021 at 1:26pm:
moses wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Pillars aside what do muslims intend to do about the evil verses in the qur'an, which right now cause and motivate muslims to rape, torture and slaughter innocent men women and children?


As  soon as Christians do the same with their Bible, Moses.  Tsk, tsk, now who is that said "he without sin cast the first stone"?  Christians sin as often and sometimes far worse than Muslims.  Some Muslims sin but not all Muslims do.  Time to grow up and accept responsibility for the acts of members of your own religion, Moses.  No more jettisoning them simply because you don't agree with them.  If you expect all Muslims to accept responsibility for what a minority do, you should lead the way.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

So only Moses is holding Muslims back from taking responsibility for Islamic jihad? They would take responsibility if only Moses did? One against the billion?
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Reply #46 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 6:58pm
 
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As  soon as Christians do the same with their Bible, Moses.  Tsk, tsk, now who is that said "he without sin cast the first stone"?  Christians sin as often and sometimes far worse than Muslims.  Some Muslims sin but not all Muslims do.  Time to grow up and accept responsibility for the acts of members of your own religion, Moses.  No more jettisoning them simply because you don't agree with them.  If you expect all Muslims to accept responsibility for what a minority do, you should lead the way.


Christians are not raping torturing and slaughtering non believers in order to follow the Doctrine of Christ. This has never happened and never will happen.

muslims today the 21st century are raping torturing and slaughtering non believers, in direct obedience to the teachings of muhammad in the qur'an. They have been doing this for close to 1400 years now.

Psychos like you encourage them, as you always grovel before them and excuse their twisted evil doctrine, by trying to equate the teachings of Christ to the teachings of muhammad.
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Reply #47 - Jan 14th, 2021 at 6:59pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote:
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And what degree of certainty do you have that the Christ we see portrayed in today’s versions of the New Testament are an accurate picture of a man who may, or may not have existed?


Christians only have what the N.T. says Christ is or was.

Christianity is based on what that book says.

That book explicitly says the O.T. law was done away with at the crucifixion of the Messiah, it also clearly says Christianty is based on the fact the law is defunct, man can only be saved by faith not the law.

The book also says that Christ predicted that men would give their own commandments as the doctrine, He states He does not recognize such people as his followers.

You searching for ancient outdated superseded laws, trying to disprove Christianity, does not verify whether the Book is right or wrong.

It's there, the words attributed to Christ in this book are the undisputed ultimate authority on Christianity.

The global problem we all face is islam and the muslim beliefs that they have the right to rape, torture and slaughter innocent people as an offering to the reinvented moon god allah and his three daughters in the qur'an.

Why so much interest in trying to disprove the N.T., when right now innocent men women and children are being raped tortured and murdered by muslins, as they obey the depravity in the qur'an?
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Reply #48 - Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 10:44am:
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2021 at 6:47pm:
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I'm obviously only talking about genuine believing muslims.


Yes Gandalf. The genuinely believing ones believe. But do you have a point? Or was it lost in your hubris?


Um yes FD. You said its possible to "satisfy all 5 tenets without believing anything". I pointed out that this is completely nonsensical given that the first tenet is literally all about belief. You then responded by referring to people who merely want to avoid getting their heads chopped off. So I clarify that I'm not talking about those sort of 'save-their-skins'-muslims-but-not-really.

The *point* of course being, that your muslims but not really muslims that you were referring to, could not possibly be "satisfying all 5 tenets" as you claimed - if they are not satisfying the all important "belief" tenet could they?


It makes perfect sense to utter the words if the alternative is to get your head chopped off. This is how Islam spread.

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None of this is a barrier to you giving a straight answer Gandalf. Does the Quran talk about fighting and killing more than it talks about pillar 4?


Oh look, FD once against misses the straightest answer possible to this question that I've already given. Its uncanny isn't it FD?

Shall we start with what arabic words are used to describe "fasting", "fighting" and "killing" - where they occur and in what context? Of course it goes without saying you've already forgotton our discussion of what "fighting", in its various forms thoughout the Quran, actually means, and which ones refer to physical violence and which do not - as well as the need to consider the use of "killing" when it is to condemn and forbid it.


Yes Gandalf. Let's start with that. And a straight answer please. You realise how evasive it makes you look if you offer the excuses for your answer while refusing to offer the answer, don't you?

And I did respond to you on fighting. The instructions to die, fight, and kill the infidel are clear and unambiguous instructions to Muslims to die, fight and kill in the name of Islam. You are confusing the tapdancing Muslims give about the word jihad with fighting.

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But I'll go out on a limb and say that (without going through the entire book for you), specific references to "fasting" are more prevalent than specific references to sanctioning killing of other people. But of course you would already know that, since I already clearly indicated this in reply#7 - right FD?


You don't have to count them yourself Gandalf. You can google it. It's not like I am the first one to think of actually counting the references to prove that Muslims are routinely lying to non-Muslims about the Quran. It took me about ten second to find out that there are 13 references to fasting in the Quran.

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You are using the 5 pillars to misrepresent the Quran to non-Muslims, starting with describing them as tenets.



Right, so now you are objecting to using the words "pillars" and "tenets" interchangeably? Could you get any more ridiculous. Wait, don't answer that.

ten·et
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Dare I say, fasting is a "principle or belief" of Islam.

It is also a major pillar of the religion.

Only an inane pedant who has no interest in a meaningful discussion would find anything wrong with the above statement.


Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.

And I am not objecting to using the words interchangeably. Pillars is often used to mean tenets. But you are misleading people to pretend that is the case here.
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In the Name of the Father? Christian Militantism in Tripura, Northern Uganda, and Ambon Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

“Militant Piety” in 21st-Century Orthodox Christianity: Return to Classical Traditions or Formation of a New Theology of War?

Militias, the Patriot Movement, and the Internet: The Ideology of Conspiracism

Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.


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moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
snakemouth ross wrote:

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Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.
 


The only person trying to "shield" anything or anybody is yourself, Moses.  I openly admit that some Islamists engage in heinous activities.  It is what makes them Islamists, rather than just plain ordinary Muslims.  You attempt to shield Christians from the reality of the religious belief amongst their brethren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 7:15am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 8:22pm:
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
snakemouth ross wrote:

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Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.
 


The only person trying to "shield" anything or anybody is yourself, Moses.
I openly admit that some Islamists engage in heinous activities.
It is what makes them Islamists, rather than just plain ordinary Muslims.  You attempt to shield Christians from the reality of the religious belief amongst their brethren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian,
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:09pm:


THAT simple poster says it all.

Freedom can go to hell.

Never a truer word written
Muzzos are slaves to the doctrines dictated by a sociopath, narcissistic, child raping paedophile, traitor, liar, coward nutcase Mohamed the mad.

Muzzos are slaves to the evil imrans who seize power by violent and disgusting ways, aided by their bully boy enforcers who get off hurting people.

Muzzos are slaves to the on going and continual infighting of one group against another.
They know no peace
They will never know peace
They live for violence and death.

The cult of death
The cult of Satan.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #57 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:32pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:09pm:


THAT simple poster says it all.

Freedom can go to hell.

Never a truer word written
Muzzos are slaves to the doctrines dictated by a sociopath, narcissistic, child raping paedophile, traitor, liar, coward nutcase Mohamed the mad.

Muzzos are slaves to the evil imrans who seize power by violent and disgusting ways, aided by their bully boy enforcers who get off hurting people.

Muzzos are slaves to the on going and continual infighting of one group against another.
They know no peace
They will never know peace
They live for violence and death.

The cult of death
The cult of Satan.



When they dominate the world they will be after you
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Reply #58 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 4:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 7:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 8:22pm:
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
snakemouth ross wrote:

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Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.
 


The only person trying to "shield" anything or anybody is yourself, Moses.
I openly admit that some Islamists engage in heinous activities.
It is what makes them Islamists, rather than just plain ordinary Muslims.  You attempt to shield Christians from the reality of the religious belief amongst their brethren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian,
You normally sound like an Islamic apologist.


Why?  Because I refused to condemn, ordinary, mainstream, peaceful, Muslims who have committed no crime?  You need to learn to read, Bobby.  Got any good Russian propaganda to spread?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 7:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 8:22pm:
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
snakemouth ross wrote:

Quote:
Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.
 


The only person trying to "shield" anything or anybody is yourself, Moses.
I openly admit that some Islamists engage in heinous activities.
It is what makes them Islamists, rather than just plain ordinary Muslims.  You attempt to shield Christians from the reality of the religious belief amongst their brethren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian,
You normally sound like an Islamic apologist.


Why?  Because I refused to condemn, ordinary, mainstream, peaceful, Muslims who have committed no crime?  You need to learn to read, Bobby.  Got any good Russian propaganda to spread?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian - when the mussies take over and we have Sharia law -
they won't even spare apologists like you.
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Reply #60 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 4:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 7:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 8:22pm:
moses wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
snakemouth ross wrote:

Quote:
Three articles which show the rise of militant Christianity and Christian Terrorism.  Tsk, tsk, deny it as much as you like, Moses, reality proves you wrong in your dismissal of such people as Christians...


Three articles which claim it may be happening absolutely zero proof that any thing is happening.

No proof of Christians raping torturing and murdering in the name of Christ at all.

More of your lies snakemouth.

Lying to shield islamic human rights atrocities is all you do snakemouth ross.
 


The only person trying to "shield" anything or anybody is yourself, Moses.
I openly admit that some Islamists engage in heinous activities.
It is what makes them Islamists, rather than just plain ordinary Muslims.  You attempt to shield Christians from the reality of the religious belief amongst their brethren.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian,
You normally sound like an Islamic apologist.


Why?  Because I refused to condemn, ordinary, mainstream, peaceful, Muslims who have committed no crime?  You need to learn to read, Bobby.  Got any good Russian propaganda to spread?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian - when the mussies take over and we have Sharia law -
they won't even spare apologists like you.


How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #61 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.
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Reply #62 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #63 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.
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Reply #64 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.


Doesn't matter, unless they all decide to become Israeli citizens.  Which they won't, 'cause the Israelis will demand that they change their religion which most won't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #65 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.


Doesn't matter, unless they all decide to become Israeli citizens.  Which they won't, 'cause the Israelis will demand that they change their religion which most won't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are lying effortlessly, Bbbwian.

Lying knowingly.
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Reply #66 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.


Doesn't matter, unless they all decide to become Israeli citizens.  Which they won't, 'cause the Israelis will demand that they change their religion which most won't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are lying effortlessly, Bbbwian.

Lying knowingly.

...

Keep on trolling, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  No evidence as per usual...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #67 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.


Doesn't matter, unless they all decide to become Israeli citizens.  Which they won't, 'cause the Israelis will demand that they change their religion which most won't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are lying effortlessly, Bbbwian.

Lying knowingly.

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Keep on trolling, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  No evidence as per usual...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cheesy
YOU made the baseless statement without any evidence, ya stupid, habitual liar.

You are lying knowingly, Petty Officer Shitferbbwains.



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Reply #68 - Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 10:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
How are less than 3% of the population going to "take over", Bobby?

How are they in a democracy going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of us?

You are as per usual, pulling things out of your arse.  Stop it, you'll go blind!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Mussies breed up to huge numbers very quickly -
just like rabbits.
Ask the Israelis.


Ask them what, Bobby?  How to evict Palestineans from their land to allow Israeli settlers to settle it?  How to destroy Palestinian farmland so that Israeli settlers can take it over?  How to kill Palestinians who protest at this behaviour?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.
They are breeding to out number the Jews.


Doesn't matter, unless they all decide to become Israeli citizens.  Which they won't, 'cause the Israelis will demand that they change their religion which most won't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are lying effortlessly, Bbbwian.

Lying knowingly.

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Keep on trolling, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  No evidence as per usual...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cheesy
YOU made the baseless statement without any evidence, ya stupid, habitual liar.

You are lying knowingly, Petty Officer Shitferbbwains.

...

Keep on trolling, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  No evidence as per usual...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Bobby wrote: Reply #59 - Yesterday at 5:16pm Quote:
when the mussies take over and we have Sharia law


How would the muzzies run rampant is Australia?

They are well on the way to doing so right now.

There are police no go areas already.

muzzies are a known drug and crime problem. Hence a special M.E. CRIME SQUAD.

muzzies are supported by the leftwing of politics in trying to ensure that criticizm of the evilness of the islamic doctrine is forbidden.

islam taught in all schools with Christianity etc. banned or severely curtailed.

leftwingers always making excuse for any atrocities committed by muslims, in obedience to the qur'an allah and his three daughters.

Leftwingers deliberately lying about the two doctrines Christianity and islam, in order to shield the many commands which tell muslims to rape torture and kill non believers as a scared duty in the qur'an.

Leftwingers aiding and abetting muslims in their forced child marriage, female genital mutilation, subjugation of the female muslims etc..

Leftwingers allowing / excusing muslims to use violent lethal force against truthful criticizm of the depravity of islam.

Leftwingers are working desperately to have islam forcefully accepted and embraced by all people, as a part of our 21st century civilization.

Leftwingers will introduce discrimination in favour of the muslim in positions of authority, biden has promised exactly this.

The list goes on but this trend is happening and will continue to happen around the globe.

Let the muslims have their way, as time goes by the power of islam grows until one day it may have been let go just one step too far, the rest will be history as they say.

Oh well each to his own, truth could prevent all of this, but lies and deceit are the norm today.
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Islamophobia, yet again, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.

They are out breeding the Jews.
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Reply #72 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 4:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 4:20pm:
The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.

They are out breeding the Jews.


And the Israelis wouldn't know.  They are telling lies, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 5:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 4:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 4:20pm:
The Israelis will tell you that the Palestinians
are winning the war in their bedrooms.

They are out breeding the Jews.


And the Israelis wouldn't know.  They are telling lies, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The orthodox Jews are few in number now -
you know - the ones that breed like rabbits -
most Jews don't follow all the religious nonsense.
However - the Pallys are still vigorously reproducing.
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freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?
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Speaking of believing.

Probably in the last 1400 odd years, hundreds of millions of innocent men women and children have been raped tortured and murdered by muslims, who believed they were 100% right in what they were doing to these innocent people, because they could justify their atrocities by quoting the qur'an.

muslims today the 21st century are still raping torturing and slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children every year.

When are the so called *moderates* going to put a stop to these daily islamic human rights atrocities, by denouncing the depravity in islam, which causes and motivates these putrid degeneracies the muslims engage in, because their qur'an tells them to?
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Speaking of believing.

Probably in the last 1400 odd years, hundreds of millions of innocent men women and children have been raped tortured and murdered by Christians, who believed they were 100% right in what they were doing to these innocent people, because they could justify their atrocities by quoting the Bible.

Christians today, in the 21st century are still raping torturing and slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children every year.

When are the so called *moderates* going to put a stop to these daily Christian human rights atrocities, by denouncing the depravity in Christianity, which causes and motivates these putrid degeneracies the Christians engage in, because their Bible tells them to?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #77 - Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?
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Reply #78 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.
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Reply #79 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.i

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Reply #80 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2021 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2021 at 8:42am:
Fasting is also something you do Gandalf. Every one of the 5 pillars is an action. What you misleadingly describe as Islam's "core tenets" are not beliefs at all.


Believing is also something "you do".

How could what you say here possibly make sense FD?

Are you saying since muslims carry out the "act" of fasting/praying/alms giving etc - they can't at the same time "believe" in those things, and count them as part of their "beliefs" of their religion?


So Islam somehow prevents you from being able to distinguish between faith and acts?


Try, if you can, explaining how the act of fasting (or praying or alms giving for that matter) in Islam can exist as somehow distinguishable from faith?

Perhaps you have heard the expression an "act of faith"? Apparently there's no such thing in freediverology.


Because the act and the faith are entirely separate and entirely separable things. You can have faith without performing the act, and you can perform the act without having faith.

This is why Islam is such a transparent and hollow faith. It was a bunch of requirements designed to keep a dictator in power. The end result being that those who somehow become true believers must in the process lose touch with reality.
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freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
Because the act and the faith are entirely separate and entirely separable things. You can have faith without performing the act, and you can perform the act without having faith.


Yes they can be separated - meaning they are "separable", but it doesn't mean they always are.

In the case of Islam, they are not. Nothing you say here even remotely disproves this contention.

What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith? How could that possibly make sense? Do you apply the same logic to other religions and all their ritualistic acts?

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
This is why Islam...


You see the flaw here? You start with the premise that all Islamic acts must be separate from faith - simply because 'acts' and 'faith' *CAN* be separate. This is a logical fallacy. You then run off with your usual rant armed with nothing but this logical fallacy.

If, on the other hand, you stopped and thought about your premise - and realised that it doesn't actually disprove the idea that you *CAN* have faith with performance of an act, and you *CAN* perform an act with faith - then you wouldn't be able to draw the conclusions that you make here.

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Reply #82 - Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am
 
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They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?

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What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith?


It is pretty obvious what I am saying Gandalf.
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Reply #84 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:23am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Faith is in your heart.


Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.

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You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.
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You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.

The difference between murder and manslaughter - did you mean to scratch your arse?


Btw - when will they change manslaughter to personslaughter? And isn't  slaughter itself a bit loaded and judgemental?
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Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:23am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim. 


A 'good' muslim, but definitely not a 'faithful' muslim - right?

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Faith is in your heart.


Right, and so fasting for a muslim can never be "from the heart", ditto for praying - is that what you are saying?



They are all PERFORMATIVE.  As long as you perform the rituals right, you are a good Muslim.  What you THINK - ie conscience - is neither here nor there. That's why Islam is a slave's religion to Allah, the oriental potentate.

Faith is in your heart. Faith is a relationship. You cannot ever have a relationship with Allah. No thought, no dialogue, no questions. No mind or heart comes into it.

Obey and perform the prescribed rituals. And.... er... that's it.

No soul, no heart, no mind in Islam - or if there is, as in the Sufis, it is persecuted by the dominant Sunnis like you.  It's fcckn dreadful. Oppressive doesn't even begin to cover it. Suffocatingly oppressive. It's lung cancer of the spirit, Islam.



You try squatting down to pee and playing with your dick afterwards, old boy. See what it does to your soul's level of tintedness.

According to Moses and FD, you should see your retardation level rise in no time.

Based on your current situation, I'd say you'd be inbred and tinted in record speed. Throw in a couple of Allah Uakbars and we can safely say you'd be sub-moronic in a matter of days.

If you're struggling, give us a yell. We can say a few Our Fathers, sing you a stirring Lutheran hymn or read you one of those erectile dysfunction ads from the Spectator you enjoy so much.

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Reply #88 - May 18th, 2021 at 12:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:05am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:59am:
What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith?


It is pretty obvious what I am saying Gandalf.


Sure it is. The problem though is that you are not making any actual argument with it.

For example, how does anything you have said about acts and faiths being "separable" prove your claim that fasting in Islam cannot be an act of faith?

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:42am:
You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.


And yet you do it because you have faith it will relieve your itch. Again, simply saying that physical acts and beliefs are separable doesn't in any way mean that therefore an act cannot be done in relation to, or because of a belief.
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There is a fundamental difference between every civilized religion and the CULT OF DEATH.

All other religions do not condone murder, rape, pedophilia or terrorism.
In fact all civilized religions abhor the above.

Islam is exactly the opposite.
It condones and actively promotes murder, rape, pedophilia and terrorism as is taught by their cult of death.

The apologists and sycophant islamophiles refuse to understand this
either by intent or stupidity.

But regardless, it is a fact. Islam is a violent, barbaric, primitive cult of death (Statan's own)

And all the tut, tutting, yawning emoji, lies and deflection on earth can change these facts.
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Says the most Christianphobic numpty. Your hatred of Christianity is second only to Dracula's hate of the cross, yet here you are, tirelessly defending Islam.

But then you are like the White Queen in her prime, believing six impossible things before breeakfast.

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Reply #92 - May 18th, 2021 at 5:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 18th, 2021 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:05am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:59am:
What is your alternative anyway? Are you saying no muslim could ever carry out their religious "acts" with any faith?


It is pretty obvious what I am saying Gandalf.


Sure it is. The problem though is that you are not making any actual argument with it.

For example, how does anything you have said about acts and faiths being "separable" prove your claim that fasting in Islam cannot be an act of faith?

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:42am:
You can scratch your arse and really mean it, but you are still just scratching your arse.


And yet you do it because you have faith it will relieve your itch. Again, simply saying that physical acts and beliefs are separable doesn't in any way mean that therefore an act cannot be done in relation to, or because of a belief.


True.

But the act is still not the belief. It is not the faith. It is not a tenet. It is an act. They are different things. Thus you misrepresent Islam when you say they are the same thing.

Also, when you say that the 5 acts summarise the religion as succinctly as possible, you are painting Islam as a behaviour, not belief. Or, an extremely shallow set of beliefs.
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Islam is performative. What you think is irrelevant.
Submit and be seen to submit. That's all.

Be seen to skratch your arse.
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True.

But the act is still not the belief. It is not the faith. It is not a tenet. It is an act. They are different things. Thus you misrepresent Islam when you say they are the same thing.



Firstly, the 5 pillars are not 5 "acts" as you are trying to define it. The first, and clearly most important pillar is the shahada - belief in the oneness of God. That is clearly, one hundred percent a belief and nothing else - even in your book.

What else do you expect the Islamic faith to comprise of?

The other 4 pillars should be understood as acts that revolve around this belief or 'faith' - acts that directly affirm and strengthen this belief. Hence 'acts of faith': prayer - remembering the one God and imploring Him to keep you on the straight path; fasting and charity - understanding that the key to being at peace with God is by rejecting material desires and possession (pretty much a universal concept in all mainstream religions); and pilgrimage to Islam's holiest site.


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Also, when you say that the 5 acts summarise the religion as succinctly as possible, you are painting Islam as a behaviour, not belief. Or, an extremely shallow set of beliefs.


Far from it. Belief is absolutely central to everything in Islam - from which all other Islamic acts revolve around. The acts surrounding that belief simply don't make sense outside belief.
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Which pillar covers: allah says it is O.K. to thieve lie rape torture and mass murder, that a man who has sex with children, rapes women, tortures and murders innocent people is the best example for mankind, allah demands human sacrifice?
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Not a bad thing. Must resist religious fundamentalism.  Do you want Islamic rule over you, Bbwian? Resist and oppose Islam if you don't.  Yawn and be yourself if you do.

Islamophobia = resisting religious fundamentalism = good thing.i
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Brian Ross wrote on May 19th, 2021 at 4:52pm:

Not a bad thing. Must resist religious fundamentalism.  Do you want Islamic rule over you, Bbwian? Resist and oppise Islam if you don't.  Yawn and be yourself if you do.








He is too much of a coward to ever see Islam in action in an Islamic country.

And yet he defends it with a religious fervor.

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5 pillars?

1/. qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

A prophet has to be a mass murderer.

2/. qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

islam is terrorism

3/. qur'an 4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Suicide bombers

4/. qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

The sacred duty of muslims is to kill and be killed

5/. qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Do not take Jews and Christians as friends and protectors, muslims must alienate themselves, or allah will not guide them.
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The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.
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The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.


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moses wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:16pm:
The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.


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I haver been on this forum for some years now.

In that time I have seen some interesting posts, some good debate and some idiots.

But, without a doubt, bwyannnnnnn is the most stupid of all posters.

He has never actually put forward any reasoned debate on any topic.
He states "facts" from sources known to be false and clings to them like a drowning man clings to a stick.
His favorite ploy is to simply ignore logic, fact and reason, simply stating some pathetic mantra he has heard somewhere as if this is the final and indisputable truth which overrides any argument.

His obvious mental state is evident in that he honestly believes that people take him seriously.
His multiple educational feats, none of which have ever been demonstrated, and which when challenged are ignored.
His doctor of divinity, yet another made up qualification.
And his mystical army service which he has never fully defined.

In short, his infantile mannerisms and methodology.
His immature posts and responses.
His asinine lack of understanding
and his seriously flawed logic, label him as a child, pretending to be an adult.

His continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
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abu_rashid wrote: Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:10pm

In contrast, Muslims believe 100% in the divine nature of the Qur'an and that it must be followed 100%, and that removing or rendering any section, or even one single full stop,  invalid, would be tantamount to apostasy.


The above statement is the proof that every muslim supports islamic human rights atrocities.

The qur'an is the cause and motivation for the millions of human rights atrocities, carried out by muslims over the last 1400 odd years.

All muslims revere and support the qur'an as being infallible and must be followed 100%.

Therefore all muslims support the engendered human rights atrocities.

We will never stop islamic extremism until muslims have the courage to denounce and purge the evil in their qur'an.

Of course this will sound the death knell for islam. (no  more infallible crapola crapola, no more islam)

This is the reason the twisted leftards and *moderates* refuse to renounce the evils of islam, they prefer the raping torture and slaughter over islam imploding.
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Your failure, your dismal failure to respond indicates you have no proof of your statement, Moses.  In otherwords, you lied.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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moses wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:16pm:
The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.


Really?  Care to quote back to us where you believe I said that, Moses?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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I haver been on this forum for some years now.

In that time I have seen some interesting posts, some good debate and some idiots.

But, without a doubt, bwyannnnnnn is the most stupid of all posters.

He has never actually put forward any reasoned debate on any topic.
He states "facts" from sources known to be false and clings to them like a drowning man clings to a stick.
His favorite ploy is to simply ignore logic, fact and reason, simply stating some pathetic mantra he has heard somewhere as if this is the final and indisputable truth which overrides any argument.

His obvious mental state is evident in that he honestly believes that people take him seriously.
His multiple educational feats, none of which have ever been demonstrated, and which when challenged are ignored.
His doctor of divinity, yet another made up qualification.
And his mystical army service which he has never fully defined.

In short, his infantile mannerisms and methodology.
His immature posts and responses.
His asinine lack of understanding
and his seriously flawed logic, label him as a child, pretending to be an adult.

His continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
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5 pillars?

1/. qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

A prophet has to be a mass murderer.

2/. qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

islam is terrorism

3/. qur'an 4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Suicide bombers

4/. qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

The sacred duty of muslims is to kill and be killed

5/. qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Do not take Jews and Christians as friends and protectors, muslims must alienate themselves, or allah will not guide them.



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abu_rashid wrote: Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:10pm

In contrast, Muslims believe 100% in the divine nature of the Qur'an and that it must be followed 100%, and that removing or rendering any section, or even one single full stop,  invalid, would be tantamount to apostasy.


The above statement is the proof that every muslim supports islamic human rights atrocities.

The qur'an is the cause and motivation for the millions of human rights atrocities, carried out by muslims over the last 1400 odd years.

All muslims revere and support the qur'an as being infallible and must be followed 100%.

Therefore all muslims support the engendered human rights atrocities.

We will never stop islamic extremism until muslims have the courage to denounce and purge the evil in their qur'an.

Of course this will sound the death knell for islam. (no  more infallible crapola crapola, no more islam)

This is the reason the twisted leftards and *moderates* refuse to renounce the evils of islam, they prefer the raping torture and slaughter over islam imploding.


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Your failure, your dismal failure to respond indicates you have no proof of your statement, Moses.  In otherwords, you lied.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:36pm:
moses wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:16pm:
The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.


Really?  Care to quote back to us where you believe I said that, Moses?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You broke a key tenant of the 10 commandments, Moses.  You bore false witness against me, without proof.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2021 at 1:18pm:
Your failure, your dismal failure to respond indicates you have no proof of your statement, Moses.  In otherwords, you lied.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:36pm:
moses wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 3:16pm:
The psycho alethephobe snakemouth ross, just told us he supports the muslim atrocities exposed in my post.


Really?  Care to quote back to us where you believe I said that, Moses?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You broke a key tenant of the 10 commandments, Moses.  You bore false witness against me, without proof.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are lying and you know it.  When anything is posted about Islamic atrocities you immediatdly sweep it under the carpet of 'tsk, tsk, Islamophobia, persecuting the innocent, blah, blah'. In effect you ARE protecting and even endorsing Islamic atrocities because you swiftly and mindlessly condenning any and all criticism or even the naming of those atrocities. 

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Reply #155 - May 31st, 2021 at 4:52pm
 
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A snide, infantile, ad hominem attack, Brian,
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Can someone ban this idiot? Hes spamming  the same thing all over the forum  like a retard on crack.
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rhino wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 8:20pm:
Can someone ban this idiot? Hes spamming  the same thing all over the forum  like a retard on crack.


Yes, bwyannnnnn does get quite annoying.

But at least he has more sense than big horned animal with little penis.

Poor sad little man.
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Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?
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Can someone ban this idiot? Hes spamming  the same thing all over the forum  like a retard on crack.


Talk to Freediver.  Or Vic.  Only they can ban him, Rhino.  BTW, not a very nice thing to say to someone.  Wink
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Reply #174 - Jun 4th, 2021 at 11:34pm
 
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Can someone ban this idiot? Hes spamming  the same thing all over the forum  like a retard on crack.

OK, but there is another poster here that does the same.
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Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?


Obviously lost the ability to communicate in English, the big horned animal with tiny penis resorts to boogaloo.

Words cannot hurt me.

Words in a foreign language hurt me even less.

I was once insulted by some muzzo in muzzo pig grunting.

I replied booga wooga wooga, so as to make him feel at home.

He seemed to get somewhat agitated at this and continued.

As did I, obviously making him feel more at home.

So to you big horned animal with tiny penis...I say   "booga wooga wooga ooggaa"

Does that make you feel better?
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5 pillars of islam?

1/. qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

A prophet has to be a mass murderer.

2/. qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

islam is terrorism

3/. qur'an 4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Suicide bombers

4/. qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

The sacred duty of muslims is to kill and be killed

5/. qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Do not take Jews and Christians as friends and protectors, muslims must alienate themselves, or allah will not guide them.
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5 pillars of islam?

1/. qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

A prophet has to be a mass murderer.

2/. qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

islam is terrorism

3/. qur'an 4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

Suicide bombers

4/. qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

The sacred duty of muslims is to kill and be killed

5/. qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Do not take Jews and Christians as friends and protectors, muslims must alienate themselves, or allah will not guide them.



Until muslims themselves denounce these five pillars and others of the same nature, there will be no change to the bloodshed death and destruction islam engenders, every day around the planet.

Truth will destroy islam, that is why the *moderates* and their cowardly leftard supporters, will do nothing to change this death cult.

They both prefer islamic terrorism over truth about islam.
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freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 11:22am:
freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2020 at 9:41am:
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a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


I just have one question.

In Islam muslims universally agree that the religion consists of 5 core tenets. Basically, if a muslim is asked to summarise Islam as succintly as possible, they would invariably cite these 5 tenets as being the 'core' of the religion.

I know a learned man as yourself knows exactly what these 5 tenets are.

So my question is, which of these tenets specifically causes human beings to transform into homocidal maniacs - and why?



Here is an example of a Muslim trying to hide the Quran.

Very sneaky Gandalf.


The 5 pillars are based on the Quran.

You pretend Islam is purely about killing jews and rape and pillage.

Yet, no one refutes the fact that the 5 pillars are universally agreed by muslims to be the best summation of the "essense" of Islam that we have. And not one of those 5 pillars mentions rape, pillage or slaughtering jews.


Who came up with the 5 pillars?

Are they acts, or beliefs?


An informative OP

Based on facts and clearly defined.

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Reply #190 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 8:54pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:47am:
rhino wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?


Obviously lost the ability to communicate in English, the big horned animal with tiny penis resorts to boogaloo.

Words cannot hurt me.

Words in a foreign language hurt me even less.

I was once insulted by some muzzo in muzzo pig grunting.

I replied booga wooga wooga, so as to make him feel at home.

He seemed to get somewhat agitated at this and continued.

As did I, obviously making him feel more at home.

So to you big horned animal with tiny penis...I say   "booga wooga wooga ooggaa"

Does that make you feel better?
I hope so, anything to make a sad tiny coward feel better.
How did you know you were getting  insulted if you couldnt understand his language? Or is it just a given that you get insulted on a routine basis, the latter I suspect.  lets be honest, you can barely communicate effectively in English.
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Reply #191 - Jun 11th, 2021 at 9:01am
 
rhino wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:47am:
rhino wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?


Obviously lost the ability to communicate in English, the big horned animal with tiny penis resorts to boogaloo.

Words cannot hurt me.

Words in a foreign language hurt me even less.

I was once insulted by some muzzo in muzzo pig grunting.

I replied booga wooga wooga, so as to make him feel at home.

He seemed to get somewhat agitated at this and continued.

As did I, obviously making him feel more at home.

So to you big horned animal with tiny penis...I say   "booga wooga wooga ooggaa"

Does that make you feel better?
I hope so, anything to make a sad tiny coward feel better.
How did you know you were getting  insulted if you couldnt understand his language? Or is it just a given that you get insulted on a routine basis, the latter I suspect.  lets be honest, you can barely communicate effectively in English.


His attitude was more than adequate to communicate his meaning.
His attempt at threatening posture his raised voice and his movement into my personal space were obvious.

Unlike you, I can read body language pretty well.
It comes from being brave enough to get out into the world and actually meet people.
You should try it some time tiny man.
Be brave, get out there and actually try to interact with people.

You will of course have to modify your attitude or you will be decked.
But after a few times you should start to realise what you say on the forum isn't what you can say in public.

As for my English.
It has seen me adequately through many years of work, education, lecturing and training people.



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Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2021 at 9:01am:
rhino wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:47am:
rhino wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?


Obviously lost the ability to communicate in English, the big horned animal with tiny penis resorts to boogaloo.

Words cannot hurt me.

Words in a foreign language hurt me even less.

I was once insulted by some muzzo in muzzo pig grunting.

I replied booga wooga wooga, so as to make him feel at home.

He seemed to get somewhat agitated at this and continued.

As did I, obviously making him feel more at home.

So to you big horned animal with tiny penis...I say   "booga wooga wooga ooggaa"

Does that make you feel better?
I hope so, anything to make a sad tiny coward feel better.
How did you know you were getting  insulted if you couldnt understand his language? Or is it just a given that you get insulted on a routine basis, the latter I suspect.  lets be honest, you can barely communicate effectively in English.


His attitude was more than adequate to communicate his meaning.
His attempt at threatening posture his raised voice and his movement into my personal space were obvious.




I think you are full of bullsh1t, thats what i think.  Anyone who moved threatening into my personal space would have gone down instantly. Given your claims of being an  expert martial artist, your claims of being a violent man who stands for no nonsense, your claims of multiple experiences of fighting off attackers in the street, why didnt you defend yourself? Your story doesnt pass the sniff test.
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I accept your declaration of defeat Bwyannnnnnnn

You don't have to keep repeating it.
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Reply #195 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 9:32am
 
rhino wrote on Jun 11th, 2021 at 10:00pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2021 at 9:01am:
rhino wrote on Jun 10th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:47am:
rhino wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Biang Inangmu, istrimu lonti, boto ho?


Obviously lost the ability to communicate in English, the big horned animal with tiny penis resorts to boogaloo.

Words cannot hurt me.

Words in a foreign language hurt me even less.

I was once insulted by some muzzo in muzzo pig grunting.

I replied booga wooga wooga, so as to make him feel at home.

He seemed to get somewhat agitated at this and continued.

As did I, obviously making him feel more at home.

So to you big horned animal with tiny penis...I say   "booga wooga wooga ooggaa"

Does that make you feel better?
I hope so, anything to make a sad tiny coward feel better.
How did you know you were getting  insulted if you couldnt understand his language? Or is it just a given that you get insulted on a routine basis, the latter I suspect.  lets be honest, you can barely communicate effectively in English.


His attitude was more than adequate to communicate his meaning.
His attempt at threatening posture his raised voice and his movement into my personal space were obvious.




I think you are full of bullsh1t, thats what i think.  Anyone who moved threatening into my personal space would have gone down instantly. Given your claims of being an  expert martial artist, your claims of being a violent man who stands for no nonsense, your claims of multiple experiences of fighting off attackers in the street, why didnt you defend yourself? Your story doesnt pass the sniff test.



Yes, yes, and thats what a loser like you thinks of anything you yourself would be too frightened to do or even think.

What you must understand tiny man, is that there are people like me and others like me are superior to you in many ways.
You don't down a person who enters your personal space unless they are a threat.
This moron was no threat to me, he had fear in his eyes, just like you would have.

He was obviously sounding off from fear, much as you do.

Sometimes grasshopper, you dont have to resort to violence, and sometimes you do.

But you wouldn't know that as you have never been in a real fight in your life.
I doubt you have even fought as anything but keyboard warrior.
I fought competitively for years, and while Im no match for my younger self, I can still hold my own.

It must be terrifying for a tiny man like you to be so afraid ALL THE TIME.
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Yes, yes, and thats what a loser like you thinks of anything you yourself would be too frightened to do or even think.

What you must understand tiny man, is that there are people like me and others like me are superior to you in many ways.
You don't down a person who enters your personal space unless they are a threat.
This moron was no threat to me, he had fear in his eyes, just like you would have.

He was obviously sounding off from fear, much as you do.

Sometimes grasshopper, you dont have to resort to violence, and sometimes you do.

But you wouldn't know that as you have never been in a real fight in your life.
I doubt you have even fought as anything but keyboard warrior.
I fought competitively for years, and while Im no match for my younger self, I can still hold my own.

It must be terrifying for a tiny man like you to be so afraid ALL THE TIME.

But this is a no brainer, the man moved into your personal space threatening you, your own words. Any trained person would have dealt with him straightaway, thats not in dispute. No one comes into my personal space aggressively without consequences.  Sounds like if this actually happened that you froze in fear. Now you are relating the story to put your own spin on it.
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Reply #197 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:40pm
 
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Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 9:32am:


Yes, yes, and thats what a loser like you thinks of anything you yourself would be too frightened to do or even think.

What you must understand tiny man, is that there are people like me and others like me are superior to you in many ways.
You don't down a person who enters your personal space unless they are a threat.
This moron was no threat to me, he had fear in his eyes, just like you would have.

He was obviously sounding off from fear, much as you do.

Sometimes grasshopper, you dont have to resort to violence, and sometimes you do.

But you wouldn't know that as you have never been in a real fight in your life.
I doubt you have even fought as anything but keyboard warrior.
I fought competitively for years, and while Im no match for my younger self, I can still hold my own.

It must be terrifying for a tiny man like you to be so afraid ALL THE TIME.

But this is a no brainer, the man moved into your personal space threatening you, your own words. Any trained person would have dealt with him straightaway, thats not in dispute. No one comes into my personal space aggressively without consequences.  Sounds like if this actually happened that you froze in fear. Now you are relating the story to put your own spin on it.


Whatever tiny man.

You have no idea.
Perhaps if you actually learned to fight, or fought in some competition you woukd realise that fighting when unnecessary is simply being stupid.

Had he physically attacked, it woukd have been different.

Try again little man.
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Theres no whatever, he did attack you, you stated it yourself, he entered your personal space in a threatening manner, thats assault. Why didnt you mitigate the threat? After all, this is what martial arts training is all about self defence, why didnt you defend yourself? You boast a lot about your "skills" but this story tells me you got scared and froze.
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Insulted, not assaulted tiny man.

If I started decking every person I came into contact that offended me, I would surely be in gaol by now.

I do not strike when insulted, most times I simply laugh
Because insults are a cowards way of attempting to hurt with words.

Only when threatened with physical violence or the assailant attempt attack, will I strike.
No fancy arm waving or spinning heel kicks, just a straight forward debilitating response to an attack.

Obviously you have no understanding of people.
Most men will push and shove, neither brave enough to strike the first blow, but too afraid to back down and be a target. Often the grab clothing and hold each other, again too fearful to strike.

It's quite easy, using tai sabaki, to intimidate these pushers and shivers by turning their own force on them thereby illustrating you power over them without injuring them.
Then you back off, leaving them a means of backing down without looking the coward.

I have nothing to prove beating an untrained drunk.
I have fought some of the best in Australia and Japan over the years.
My wins are quite few, but winning is not the aim.
The aim it to be enough of a man to fight.

Perhaps one day, you will know the difference.
I carry quite a few injuries from years of fighting.
But all were fair and all hard won.

Tiny man, you have no inkling what it's like to walk into a ring and fight an unknown opponent.
Try it one day, it's a wonderful feeling win or lose.
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No, you claimed he was threatening you and invaded your personal space, he came right up to you aggressively and threatened you, thats assault. You wouldnt get charged for that, it would have been self defence. I dont know anyone would stand for that. You can bullsh1t all you like about your alleged fighting prowess but here we have it in your own words, you allowed  someone to threaten and assault you while you did  nothing. You are a pussy. But I knew that anyway.
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Valkies gone off to make up some more bullsh1t.  Grin
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Valkies gone off to make up some more bullsh1t.  Grin


Poor tiny man has a chip on his shoulder.

Sorry you feel you have something to prove.

I forgive you and you pathetic life of cowardice.

Perhaps, one day, you will grow up and grow a pair.
But I seriously doubt it.

Run along tiny man.
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Valkies gone off to make up some more bullsh1t.  Grin


Poor tiny man has a chip on his shoulder.

Sorry you feel you have something to prove.


Just  a point, Im not the one telling bullsh1t stories.  Cheesy
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Valkies gone off to make up some more bullsh1t.  Grin


Poor tiny man has a chip on his shoulder.

Sorry you feel you have something to prove.


Just  a point, Im not the one telling bullsh1t stories.  Cheesy


Bull shite to you because you can never envision yourself ever doing anything.

A loser you are, a loser you will always be.

If you had done half of what I have done in my life, you would consider yourself lucky.

But sadly....little man....you have neither the intestinal fortitude or ability to acomplish anything but being a keyboard warrior.

you bore me......sleep tight and dream about being successful, because you never will be.
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If you had done half of what I have done in my life, you would consider yourself lucky.

B .
Who knows, maybe I could beat your fantasies with any of my real life experience.  Wink But theres the rub Valkie, I dont need or want to. Like I tried to teach you before, people who can do , dont talk about it, they do. The other thing I learnt at a young age, is that no matter how good you are, or think you are, theres always someone better. Thats why its better not to brag, or exaggerate. When you grow up you may realise that.
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If you had done half of what I have done in my life, you would consider yourself lucky.

B .
Who knows, maybe I could beat your fantasies with any of my real life experience.  Wink But theres the rub Valkie, I dont need or want to. Like I tried to teach you before, people who can do , dont talk about it, they do. The other thing I learnt at a young age, is that no matter how good you are, or think you are, theres always someone better. Thats why its better not to brag, or exaggerate. When you grow up you may realise that.


Your admission of defeat is accepted and acknowledged.

Everything I say is true, you simply find it hard to believe because you will never be more than a wanna be loser.
Cannot grow up any more, Im 62 now. Seen a lot, done a lot and am looking forward to a long comfortable retirement.
There is nothing a loser can teach me.

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Chronological age has little to do with mental age, when you learn humility you may grow up.
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Chronological age has little to do with mental age, when you learn humility you may grow up.


when you learn to respect your betters, people may start to see you as an adult, instead of a loser.
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QED  Grin
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Shocked Grin Grin
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Humble is for losers

Are Olympic athletes Humble?
Are world leaders Humble?
Are great managers Humble?

I prefer to boast about my achievements, each was hard earned.

And as for bwyannnnnnnn
How many qualifications do you have Again?
Doctor of divinity
Done everything and been everything.

Yeah......right.....Humble.

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Everyone knows, when bwyannnnnn loses or has no comeback he resorts to his only method of response.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.

Its his declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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Had your balls handed to you in the Pascoe thread.

Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.

Its his declaration of defeat.

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A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

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Reply #217 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:33pm
 

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Childish Islamophobia.  Persecution of innocent Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Big men boast.  Humble men are more reasonable and more willing to agree on things.  Pity you're such a Big man, Matty. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #218 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 8:24am
 
bwyannnnnnn had his balls handed to him in the Pascoe thread.

Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.

Its his declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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Reply #219 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 10:29pm
 

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Childish Islamophobia.  Persecution of innocent Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Big men boast.  Humble men are more reasonable and more willing to agree on things.  Pity you're such a Big man, Matty. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Reply #220 - Jun 17th, 2021 at 8:16am
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #221 - Jun 17th, 2021 at 11:49pm
 

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Childish Islamophobia.  Persecution of innocent Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Big men boast.  Humble men are more reasonable and more willing to agree on things.  Pity you're such a Big man, Matty. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #222 - Jun 18th, 2021 at 8:16am
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Reply #223 - Jun 18th, 2021 at 11:33pm
 

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Childish Islamophobia.  Persecution of innocent Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Big men boast.  Humble men are more reasonable and more willing to agree on things.  Pity you're such a Big man, Matty. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Reply #224 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 9:04am
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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