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Reply #15 - Jan 5th, 2021 at 8:09am
 
All of which has me wondering again why so many idiots are attracted to this site.
Oh well, that appears to be the main function of the web for so many, a hall of mirrors to reflect your favourite delusions.
Most of you are so thick you won’t even figure out what the above refers to.
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Reply #16 - Jan 5th, 2021 at 9:41am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 5th, 2021 at 8:09am:
All of which has me wondering again why so many idiots are attracted to this site.
Oh well, that appears to be the main function of the web for so many, a hall of mirrors to reflect your favourite delusions.
Most of you are so thick you won’t even figure out what the above refers to.


Arguably, the hazard in asking what was intended as a legitimate, non-partisan question...
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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2021 at 11:55am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
Having read all the condemnations of renewable energy and electric vehicles by the pundits on Ozpolitic, I realise neither will ever get over their immense teething problems.



The problems are indeed "immense". But they are not "teething" problems.

Renewables, apart from hydro which has siting problems, don't have the necessary energy density. The backup, batteries, are a mature technology. There is room for incremental improvement, but no great leap forward. That means fossil fuelled source power must continue to run as backup; so you are paying twice for the same electricity demand.
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Reply #18 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 7:52am
 
To the simple minded on both sides of this debate there are only two alternatives, oil & coal against wind and solar. A little awareness of other possibilities needs to be taken into the equation.

https://scitechdaily.com/korean-artificial-sun-kstar-fusion-reactor-sets-new-wor
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Reply #19 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 12:14pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 7:52am:
To the simple minded on both sides of this debate there are only two alternatives, oil & coal against wind and solar. A little awareness of other possibilities needs to be taken into the equation.

https://scitechdaily.com/korean-artificial-sun-kstar-fusion-reactor-sets-new-wor
ld-record/



Yes I have seen that. Of course getting it to run more than 20 seconds is the next challenge. Fusion is always about 40 years away. Unfortunately. I am a believer in nuclear.

But the naysayers say "what about Chernobyl". An old design, and dodgy maintenance.

"What about Fukushima"? - built on unstable ground, and a 15 metre tsunami knocked out the power supply (battery backup would have kept system power online),  the cooling system didn't cover the reactors.

"What about Three Mile Island"? Another old design, mechanical and human error.

So what has changed? New designs, new Programmable Logic Controllers to take the human error out of it.
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Reply #20 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 1:52pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Unfortunately. I am a believer in nuclear..

Why unfortunate? If nuclear reactors can be made safe from natural disasters etc,  if spent fuel can be safely stored and if radioactive material can be kept out of the wrong hands I’d be a believer too. Thus far I have doubts all that's guaranteed.
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Reply #21 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:06pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 7:52am:
To the simple minded on both sides of this debate there are only two alternatives, oil & coal against wind and solar. A little awareness of other possibilities needs to be taken into the equation.

https://scitechdaily.com/korean-artificial-sun-kstar-fusion-reactor-sets-new-wor
ld-record/



Yes I have seen that. Of course getting it to run more than 20 seconds is the next challenge. Fusion is always about 40 years away. Unfortunately. I am a believer in nuclear.

But the naysayers say "what about Chernobyl". An old design, and dodgy maintenance.

"What about Fukushima"? - built on unstable ground, and a 15 metre tsunami knocked out the power supply (battery backup would have kept system power online),  the cooling system didn't cover the reactors.

"What about Three Mile Island"? Another old design, mechanical and human error.

So what has changed? New designs, new Programmable Logic Controllers to take the human error out of it.


Chernobyl was caused by human error with safety drill.

Fukishima was earthquake which it survived yet had design flaw with backup generators for coolant placed in basement which was flooded by tsunami which drowned them.

Earthquakes aren't really a problem here fault line is east of here from NZ up to Indonesia.

Uranium is radioactive while it's in the ground before it's mined for some reason people ignore this fact.

Nuclear runs flat out for fuel cycle which means cheaper off peak electricity at night when cars will be recharged it also means people could stop burning gas and wood for fires to heat in winter and allow airconditioning to be used at night in summer.


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Reply #22 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:24pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Why unfortunate?



Because fusion reactors are always 40 years into the future.
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Reply #23 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:22pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 6:53pm:
there's a surplus of energy on the grid during the day ...



That must be why AEMO warns of outages. Wink

And with less coal fired power and more solar and wind turbine it can't get better.


Really? You petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention....

https://electricenergyonline.com/article/energy/category/ev-storage/143/872118/w
orld-s-largest-solar-powered-vanadium-flow-battery-coming-to-south-australia.htm
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Reply #24 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:27pm
 
Again, you petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention  - -
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Reply #25 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:29pm
 
Again, you petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention  - -

https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-flow-battery-breakthrough-combines-pv-generati
on-and-storage-in-one-device-21647/
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Reply #26 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:31pm
 
Again, you petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention  - -

https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-flow-battery-breakthrough-combines-pv-generati
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Reply #27 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:46pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:29pm:
Again, you petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention  - -

https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-flow-battery-breakthrough-combines-pv-generati
on-and-storage-in-one-device-21647/


"The research team says that the solar flow battery produced through the collaboration has set a new record efficiency of 20 per cent, besting most commercially available silicon solar cells, and was 40 per cent more efficient than the previous record holder for solar flow batteries, also developed by the Jin lab."

"Overall, the research team found that the new system’s long life and 20 per cent efficiency made it the best solar flow battery device yet.

“That’s 20 per cent efficiency any time you like,” Professor Jin said. “You can use the solar electricity right away during the day and get 20 percent, or you can use it in the evening from storage and get 20 per cent.” "

20% really? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #28 - Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:57pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:22pm:
Really? You petrol heads need to stop sniffing the stuff and pay attention....

https://electricenergyonline.com/article/energy/category/ev-storage/143/872118/w

orld-s-largest-solar-powered-vanadium-flow-battery-coming-to-south-australia.htm
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"An example for the potential use of vanadium redox flow batteries is the Rongke Power Development in Dalian, China, which utilises an 800 MWh battery containing almost 7000 tonnes of vanadium pentoxide."

https://www.engenium.com.au/knowledge/insight/161-vanadium-redox-flow-batteries....

"On the supply side, world vanadium production totaled 80,000 MT last year, up slightly from 79,000 MT in 2016, as per the most recent data from the US Geological Survey. "

https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/battery-metals-investing/vana...

So 11.5 million 800Mw batteries. I wonder what the world wide need for 800Mw batteries would be?
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Reply #29 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:21am
 
lee wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 2:24pm:
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Why unfortunate?



Because fusion reactors are always 40 years into the future.

Do you understand the meaning of the term ‘always’ in this context?
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