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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 11:27pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 8:34pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 7:19pm:
You just don't see the difference between solid socialist handling of any community-wide issue, as opposed to feather-bedding old mates out of your public purse.


now you're being an idiot. You base that stupidity on what? a dream you had? Because it certainly didn't come from anything I said. Tackling the issue of waste is not the same as claiming 'I only want to pay for the things i use'. I've never said there is no waste and some things should not be paid for using our taxes. That's a separate issue. For govt to work, taxpayers cannot pick and choose what they pay for or govt would never work. Tackling waste in govt. spending is another matter altogether.

It's not so much the profligate waste of the current government that's the issue, it's how so much of this wasted money ends up in the pockets of the government's mates, cronies and donors: the favoured few.

They even create policies specifically to enrich their favoured few.
* Incarcerating political prisoners on remote islands at a million dollars per prisoner per year. It costs much less than that to lock up someone in a maximum security prison.
* The Indue card, with the President of the National Party benefiting from the contracts, and all expenditure on this program considered an official state secret, "not for publication". From what the government has been forced to disclose, it's known to cost about $10,000 per person per year.

These are just two of many examples of their waste and corruption that would be scrutinised in a proper Commission of Audit.


We don't expect a great deal from SmithCo - he's a lost cause somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle between 'left' and' right'... but without understanding Right.... and he compensates by slagging without thought, in the full expectation that everyone else will join in and thus shut down discussion of real issues...

He HAS to be a feminist/blackophile etc....

Me?  I've been sheltering over Xmas a victim of Black DV.. the real kind, the Black Syph that devours their souls......

Come in Spinners... Greg, Mothra and Smith.... I'm sure you can apologise for the bruises, abrasions and fear of retaliation from 'his' family members.... his mother has given him away and he can rot in prison.....

Me?  I'm ordering baseball bats online... in case his 'bruvvas' think they can wreak retribution for him being 'unfairly' locked up etc...... and the local cops are under instructions that they are resisting arrest and to come in with guns drawn...
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 4:12pm
 
give it up Grap .... you're a fool if you think individual taxpayers can pick and choose what they pay for.

And FYI, I've had to deal with far more domestic violence than you've even heard about so don't play the hero with me.
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Reply #17 - Dec 30th, 2020 at 12:32am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 4:12pm:
give it up Grap .... you're a fool if you think individual taxpayers can pick and choose what they pay for.

And FYI, I've had to deal with far more domestic violence than you've even heard about so don't play the hero with me.


Well - maybe you should have tried my upbringing... that'd open your eyes...

How many dv victims have you taken in and provided accommodation for without charge, along with their school age children?

Mothra?  Greg?  All you social justice heroes out there - where are you when the fists meet the flesh?

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that WOGs didn't figure very highly in the beat your wife stakes compared to Abos, Kokonuts and certain strands of Musso and Indian... but you blew the chance.

I suppose, being token White Men, you lot can get in under the wire - after all those groups above have finished, there are buggar all women being killed by White men.... but White men, being the majority, are copping the brunt of the government violence to attempt to control violence that hasn't happened yet.....

Pure insanity.... and anyone that supports or condones such a rabid and illegal response is just as insane.  Your cannot resolve the issues of violence by imposing violence in any circumstance without any constraint.... that is tyranny and violent abuse.

How Dare They? And all so they could steal people's registered firearms by 'regulation'.... nothing to do with controlling violence... it IS violence......

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Reply #18 - Dec 30th, 2020 at 7:58am
 
Bam wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Mates first policy: Scott Morrison’s No. 1 value is seeing the country rot from the head down
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When 'looking after our mates' is your foundational value, those who work for you will get the message: taxpayer funding is there for the taking.


Ever considered that its the economic system that has been in place for the last forty years that creates these conditions / environment for such things to happen more so than in other / previous systems....???

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1607936792
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #19 - Dec 31st, 2020 at 4:06pm
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 7:58am:
Bam wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 1:41pm:
Mates first policy: Scott Morrison’s No. 1 value is seeing the country rot from the head down
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When 'looking after our mates' is your foundational value, those who work for you will get the message: taxpayer funding is there for the taking.


Ever considered that its the economic system that has been in place for the last forty years that creates these conditions / environment for such things to happen more so than in other / previous systems....???

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1607936792

It's only in the last six or seven years that rorting of the Treasury for the private gain of cronies has become a serious drain on the public purse.

This crony corruption by the current government is the reason why the Coalition parties are the only parliamentary parties who are opposed to a federal anti-corruption commission with strong powers. The one they are proposing - that they have delayed now for over two years - would have no retrospective powers of investigation. They want to keep looting for as long as possible.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #20 - Dec 31st, 2020 at 4:19pm
 
When the Governor-General serves the UK
and the Prime Minister serves the USA.

I think the 'rot' is going upwards no?
Australia is just a resource to siphon for the UK & USA
- creates 'jobs' you see.  Wink Getting paid to siphon it for China too.

Australia: Ruled by the UK and populated by the USA.

Enemy Mine.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #21 - Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 3:29pm:
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yes really ..

imagine if I said I didn't want to pay for any military, or rail infrastructure, or ports ... why would I ? I don't use them? I don't use police or Ambo's or firies either. I've used a hospital once in 50 years so I am happy to pay for that experience provided someone refunds all the taxes I paid that went into health care when I wasn't using it. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.

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it does not work in modern day society if you expect it to function properly



All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot
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Reply #22 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:47am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot

If you want to stop the rot, sort the candidates on both ballot papers at the next election in order of whether they support a strong federal anti-corruption commission.

That order looks like this:
* All other candidates.
* Liberals and Nationals.

How you order the many candidates before the Coalition parties is up to you. Just put the Liberals and Nationals dead last on both ballots, and number all the boxes.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #23 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:08am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 3:29pm:
Not really -



yes really ..

imagine if I said I didn't want to pay for any military, or rail infrastructure, or ports ... why would I ? I don't use them? I don't use police or Ambo's or firies either. I've used a hospital once in 50 years so I am happy to pay for that experience provided someone refunds all the taxes I paid that went into health care when I wasn't using it. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.

User pays works in a convenience store,
it does not work in modern day society if you expect it to function properly



All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot




OH 'CRIKEY'



if you are thinking make lefty bam happy you are wasting your time.....as soon as one thing get done her way.. she find  another reason to whine... Roll Eyes reminds me of another group... Undecided

you want to believe  a  one  eyed rag like leftard CRIKEY.. god luck with that...
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #24 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:47am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.


Your problem here is your conception of ‘User’ Are we to assume you refuse to pay for road construction and maintenance you don’t actually drive over yourself? Well then you’d best not ever order anything over the internet or use petrol etc that’s going to be delivered by road.
This reminds us of the dangers of puritanical ideology. Even Ayn Rand couldn’t solve this question.
One example is a peculiar game the Liberals just love playing. Services such as home help for the elderly etc come to mind. The wonders of ‘private enterprise’ have taken over this area. The result? Layer upon layer of private companies each taking their cut. Not only does this end up costing the recipient double or more than they contributed when local Gov’t provided the service it ends up costing government far more. The delusion so called private enterprise is always the most efficient method of providing a service, infrastructure etc us just that, a delusion.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #25 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:10am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:47am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.


Your problem here is your conception of ‘User’ Are we to assume you refuse to pay for road construction and maintenance you don’t actually drive over yourself? Well then you’d best not ever order anything over the internet or use petrol etc that’s going to be delivered by road.
This reminds us of the dangers of puritanical ideology. Even Ayn Rand couldn’t solve this question.
One example is a peculiar game the Liberals just love playing. Services such as home help for the elderly etc come to mind. The wonders of ‘private enterprise’ have taken over this area. The result? Layer upon layer of private companies each taking their cut. Not only does this end up costing the recipient double or more than they contributed when local Gov’t provided the service it ends up costing government far more. The delusion so called private enterprise is always the most efficient method of providing a service, infrastructure etc us just that, a delusion.


True - 'market forces' become irrelevant when the government sets the price per hour of work for any such company.  As I said before - $25 an hour work is paid by governments at between $60 - $110+ depending on the work and disability level, so the actual worker gets $25 and the company gets $35 +++ an hour.... how is that efficient?

The ex's daughter is in this game as a drone - I keep telling her to become the boss and do no work for more per hour and all the tax deductions.....   Smiley

Private enterprise should be restricted to private enterprise - such as building phones etc and selling them on.... and never to provision of services.... governments don't pay (other than through tax dodges) companies to build phones out of the public purse...

Sounds pretty simple to me.... amazing how many politicians and their spouses etc have made millions riding the waves made by government money in between the private and the public sector.... and none dare call it insider trading...

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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #26 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:26am
 
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:47am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot

If you want to stop the rot, sort the candidates on both ballot papers at the next election in order of whether they support a strong federal anti-corruption commission.

That order looks like this:
* All other candidates.
* Liberals and Nationals.

How you order the many candidates before the Coalition parties is up to you. Just put the Liberals and Nationals dead last on both ballots, and number all the boxes.


If only Labor's policy platform wasn't an endless array of sycophancy to every whining group doing the rounds at the moment, starting with the feminist supremacists and going through the Black supremacists and the WOP supremacists of all kinds.... they might make a viable alternative government.

If only they would stick to the real issues that genuinely affect everyone equally instead of endlessly pumping the bilgewater of equity and inclusion via supremacist moves like affirmative action and special rights etc, back into the drinking water...
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #27 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 11:39am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:26am:
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:47am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot

If you want to stop the rot, sort the candidates on both ballot papers at the next election in order of whether they support a strong federal anti-corruption commission.

That order looks like this:
* All other candidates.
* Liberals and Nationals.

How you order the many candidates before the Coalition parties is up to you. Just put the Liberals and Nationals dead last on both ballots, and number all the boxes.


If only Labor's policy platform wasn't an endless array of sycophancy to every whining group doing the rounds at the moment, starting with the feminist supremacists and going through the Black supremacists and the WOP supremacists of all kinds.... they might make a viable alternative government.

If only they would stick to the real issues that genuinely affect everyone equally instead of endlessly pumping the bilgewater of equity and inclusion via supremacist moves like affirmative action and special rights etc, back into the drinking water...

How you want to vote is up to you.

If you want action on corruption as your first priority, put the Coalition last.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #28 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 11:47am
 
cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:08am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 3:29pm:
Not really -



yes really ..

imagine if I said I didn't want to pay for any military, or rail infrastructure, or ports ... why would I ? I don't use them? I don't use police or Ambo's or firies either. I've used a hospital once in 50 years so I am happy to pay for that experience provided someone refunds all the taxes I paid that went into health care when I wasn't using it. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.

User pays works in a convenience store,
it does not work in modern day society if you expect it to function properly



All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot




OH 'CRIKEY'



if you are thinking make lefty bam happy you are wasting your time.....as soon as one thing get done her way.. she find  another reason to whine... Roll Eyes reminds me of another group... Undecided

you want to believe  a  one  eyed rag like leftard CRIKEY.. god luck with that...

Cods just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES corruption, provided it's the Coalition doing it. Cods won't directly call out the Coalition's corruption, preferring instead to post deflections (fallacy of relevance), personal attacks (ad hominem), shooting the messengers (genetic fallacy), and other fallacious rubbish - anything to avoid posting anything that casts the corrupt Coalition in a bad light.

If this is wrong cods, here is your opportunity to prove it: condemn the Coalition's corruption in your next post, and commit to sending them a message at the next election by putting them last. Anything less condones their corruption and proves the point.
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Re: The country is rotting from the head down
Reply #29 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 12:22pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 11:47am:
cods wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:08am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 6:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 3:29pm:
Not really -



yes really ..

imagine if I said I didn't want to pay for any military, or rail infrastructure, or ports ... why would I ? I don't use them? I don't use police or Ambo's or firies either. I've used a hospital once in 50 years so I am happy to pay for that experience provided someone refunds all the taxes I paid that went into health care when I wasn't using it. I don't use politicians so I absolutely won't pay for them or any other govt. infrastructure, rent etc that I don't use.  I also don't want to pay for roads other than those in my immediate area as I don't use the others.

User pays works in a convenience store,
it does not work in modern day society if you expect it to function properly



All that's written in the OP's link about what the Liberal party has done with tax payers money is not what I expect should be done in a functioning modern day society. What they have done is disfunctional to society, and annoys the hell out of people. It's about time we woke up stopped the rot




OH 'CRIKEY'



if you are thinking make lefty bam happy you are wasting your time.....as soon as one thing get done her way.. she find  another reason to whine... Roll Eyes reminds me of another group... Undecided

you want to believe  a  one  eyed rag like leftard CRIKEY.. god luck with that...

Cods just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES corruption, provided it's the Coalition doing it. Cods won't directly call out the Coalition's corruption, preferring instead to post deflections (fallacy of relevance), personal attacks (ad hominem), shooting the messengers (genetic fallacy), and other fallacious rubbish - anything to avoid posting anything that casts the corrupt Coalition in a bad light.

If this is wrong cods, here is your opportunity to prove it: condemn the Coalition's corruption in your next post, and commit to sending them a message at the next election by putting them last. Anything less condones their corruption and proves the point.



I dont have to proov anything sweetheart....\

I do  not approve corruption FROM ANYONE and that includes the libs and the left.....

you can find a post of mine where I have approved anything like you claim  lets see it.. Angry Angry Angry... your good at spitting it all out but never showing the proof you have.......CRIKEY are a hard left outfit just like Get up....when you quote them as being the epitome of truth...... I have to lol....and I have every right to say so............if I claim you are one eyed   well   seriously I have never seen a good word from you about any other group.its always negative always always whining.....

show me a link where CRIKEY have condemned labor for their corruption.... the links to the unions   and aldi bags...and chinese crims... Undecided Undecided Undecided or does that all get swept under the carpet..
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