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How to fix Australia's political woes.
Dec 22nd, 2020 at 11:51am
 
In 1950 Australia's population was about eight million people. The Government had a small debt that was entirely eliminated by 1970. In 1950 Australian's owned almost all of the country. The idea of selling its land and other assets to foreigners was not only frowned upon, but considered treasonous.

The total value of Australia's assets in 1950 is almost impossible to determine today, but was certainly enormous, so much so that EVERY Australian would have been at least a multimillionaire, perhaps even a billionaire. The title "Lucky Country" in those days wasn't a cynical jab, but a practical reality.

Then came Gough Whitlam. He insisted that Australia was SO wealthy that there was no need to bother with earning more money; the problem was how to redistribute its enormous wealth equitably. The trouble is that a rock in the ground is worthless; but if it's an iron rock it can be sold for cold, hard cash. So to turn the country's potential wealth into actual wealth, stuff has to be sold. LOTS of it.

And so the selling began. The Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) was established in 1976 to advise the Government on such matters, to ensure that foreign ownership was minimized and in the country's interests. Wealthy individuals flocked to Australia bringing "foreign investment", a phrase that soon had a delicious ring for those eager to accept "bribes on the side". Politicians, public servants, senior businessmen and wealthy criminals all realized that a veritable cornucopia of unlimited personal wealth lay ahead if the "right conditions" were established.

Enter Bob Hawke. In 1983 he changed the role of the FIRB from monitoring and limiting the foreign ownership of Australia to promoting it. In that role it achieved "success" so outstanding that the Federal Government soon ceased publication of foreign ownership figures in order to avoid embarrassment. Today no-one knows how much of the country is foreign owned, and the government certainly has no intention of disclosing it.

Australia now has the highest per capita debt in the world. In 2016 every man, woman and child owed A$31,758 on behalf of the country, along with their household debts which averaged 188.5% of personal income last year. The former "Lucky Country" is now an enormous debt quarry, and the assets that Australians once owned as surety for their debts are largely foreign-owned.

Australian politicians have truly achieved a WORLD CLASS transformation of the country. The overall debt is so high that, should our income drop only moderately, we'll ALL be bankrupt. Permanently! And about half of our income is from China.

What, then, can be done about it?

A modern, innovative approach is the ONLY answer. Governance of the country and management of its finances must be outsourced to honest, experienced, reliable people. Foreigners obviously, since there are none here.

Singapore does not have a per capita debt; it has a per capita SURPLUS, the largeest in the world. Every man, woman and child has S$152,935 in his or her pocket thanks to their politicians, and most also have personal savings rather than debt.

So why not draw up contracts to govern and manage Australia, and offer them to Singaporean politicians? Ten years guaranteed, no elections, no interference. Just come over here, get stuck in, and do for us what you've done for your own people and country!

Because the VERY LAST THING WE NEED - God forbid - is yet ANOTHER Orstrayun Prime Minister and his lying, back-stabbing, fart-bombing colleagues.
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Reply #1 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:30pm
 

Reading the OP, reminded me of a story from the O.T. bible.....


2 Kings 20:12
At that time Berodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present unto Hezekiah: for he had heard that Hezekiah had been sick.
13  And Hezekiah hearkened unto them, and shewed them all the house of his precious things, the silver, and the gold, and the spices, and the precious ointment, and all the house of his armour, and all that was found in his treasures: there was nothing in his house, nor in all his dominion, that Hezekiah shewed them not.
14  Then came Isaiah the prophet unto king Hezekiah, and said unto him, What said these men? and from whence came they unto thee? And Hezekiah said, They are come from a far country, even from Babylon.
15  And he said, What have they seen in thine house? And Hezekiah answered, All the things that are in mine house have they seen: there is nothing among my treasures that I have not shewed them.
16  And Isaiah said unto Hezekiah, Hear the word of the LORD.
17  Behold, the days come, that all that is in thine house, and that which thy fathers have laid up in store unto this day, shall be carried into Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the LORD.
18  And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.


The consequences, of shewing men filled with avarice, the treasures of your house.

Not clever.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:45pm
 

'How to fix Australia's political woes.'



Begin to hang [execute] corrupt people [including 'our' politicians], who it can be shown, have acquired [or misappropriated] Australia's wealth and treasure corruptly.



In LAW, politicians are OUR stewards.

OUR servants.

They have a legal responsibility, to honestly manage the affairs of the nation, for the benefit of the citizens of our nation.

If they act corruptly, they are BETRAYING us, and, they are BETRAYING our nation.

If it can be shown, that any of them, have acted corruptly, there ought to be serious consequences and punishments.

Eh Scott ?


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Dictionary;
steward = =
1 a person who looks after the passengers on a ship or aircraft.
2 a person responsible for supplies of food to a college, club, etc.
3 an official appointed to supervise arrangements at a large public event.
4 short for shop steward.
5 a person employed to manage another’s property, especially a large house or estate.



"a person employed to manage another’s property, especially a large house or estate"



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:49pm
 
Phi wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 11:51am:
In 1950 Australia's population was about eight million people. The Government had a small debt that was entirely eliminated by 1970. In 1950 Australian's owned almost all of the country. The idea of selling its land and other assets to foreigners was not only frowned upon, but considered treasonous.

The total value of Australia's assets in 1950 is almost impossible to determine today, but was certainly enormous, so much so that EVERY Australian would have been at least a multimillionaire, perhaps even a billionaire. The title "Lucky Country" in those days wasn't a cynical jab, but a practical reality.

Then came Gough Whitlam. He insisted that Australia was SO wealthy that there was no need to bother with earning more money; the problem was how to redistribute its enormous wealth equitably. The trouble is that a rock in the ground is worthless; but if it's an iron rock it can be sold for cold, hard cash. So to turn the country's potential wealth into actual wealth, stuff has to be sold. LOTS of it.

And so the selling began. The Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) was established in 1976 to advise the Government on such matters, to ensure that foreign ownership was minimized and in the country's interests. Wealthy individuals flocked to Australia bringing "foreign investment", a phrase that soon had a delicious ring for those eager to accept "bribes on the side". Politicians, public servants, senior businessmen and wealthy criminals all realized that a veritable cornucopia of unlimited personal wealth lay ahead if the "right conditions" were established.

Enter Bob Hawke. In 1983 he changed the role of the FIRB from monitoring and limiting the foreign ownership of Australia to promoting it. In that role it achieved "success" so outstanding that the Federal Government soon ceased publication of foreign ownership figures in order to avoid embarrassment. Today no-one knows how much of the country is foreign owned, and the government certainly has no intention of disclosing it.

Australia now has the highest per capita debt in the world. In 2016 every man, woman and child owed A$31,758 on behalf of the country, along with their household debts which averaged 188.5% of personal income last year. The former "Lucky Country" is now an enormous debt quarry, and the assets that Australians once owned as surety for their debts are largely foreign-owned.

Australian politicians have truly achieved a WORLD CLASS transformation of the country. The overall debt is so high that, should our income drop only moderately, we'll ALL be bankrupt. Permanently! And about half of our income is from China.

What, then, can be done about it?

A modern, innovative approach is the ONLY answer. Governance of the country and management of its finances must be outsourced to honest, experienced, reliable people. Foreigners obviously, since there are none here.

Singapore does not have a per capita debt; it has a per capita SURPLUS, the largeest in the world. Every man, woman and child has S$152,935 in his or her pocket thanks to their politicians, and most also have personal savings rather than debt.

So why not draw up contracts to govern and manage Australia, and offer them to Singaporean politicians? Ten years guaranteed, no elections, no interference. Just come over here, get stuck in, and do for us what you've done for your own people and country!

Because the VERY LAST THING WE NEED - God forbid - is yet ANOTHER Orstrayun Prime Minister and his lying, back-stabbing, fart-bombing colleagues.


Perhaps, as a less radical approach, someone (preferably several someones) could form a viable "third major" party, with the exact aim of doing what can be done to turn the ship around.

Rather than "importing" Politicians from elsewhere, why not study what they've done (and as importantly, what they haven't), and form a platform/"manifesto" based on doing as much of that as would make sense here.

Putting Financial Literacy into school curricula might be a place to start as regards the Personal debt issues.

Building a sovereign wealth fund might be another "plank".

Removing the profit motive from essential services might be yet another.

A Federal ICAC would be high on the agenda...
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:07pm
 
In 1950 we had Keynesian economics-capitalism where the government is the top dog and everyone else like banks and corporations are below it.

This system came into prominence after WW2 until the late 1970's early 1980's, it was also being used after the great depression of the 1930's but after WW2 was adopted universally.

Under Keynesian economics-capitalism the middle class flourished all over the world, it was a golden moment for the middle class back then.

Neo-liberalism replaced Keynesian economics-capitalism here in Australia in the early 1980's implemented by the Hawke Keating governments and we have had this financial system ever since.

And ever since then all these things have come about because Neo-liberalism doesn't care about nations and borders and even humans, its only concern is capital.

Living under Neoliberalism and not being aware of it is like living in China and not being aware of the communist system.

A good place to start is here,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1607936792
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Reply #5 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:44pm
 
The Libs and Labs have never been "Australian", it's only their political expediency that makes them pretend they are


The Libs care about free enterprise

The Labs care about unions and social safety-net


You can do those anywhere in the World, you don't need to be on this large Island to espouse free enterprise and social issues

But the Libs and Labs joined together in Globalist Progressive politics then further pretended to oppose each other for the benefit of partisan voting to fill seats on both sides of the Parliament's chambers


Had they given Australia more thought nationally, well that would have been too nationalistic, and that is not realistic to them because it means "Nationalism", which they mostly reject and very wary of. It has bad overtones and consequences in the United Nations

So what we have now is the Libs caring more about International Globalist free enterprise, and ...

the Labs caring more about International Socialism.

Both basically working together for what they say is in the "National" interest, but it is really International Globalism that we are part of. The Libs and Labs took on a big precarious task to change over to it and it's not really living up to peoples' expectations, it's a flimsy approach to financial security and it's grossly inequitable, not to mention creating instability ie China's ban of our goods. Being locked out of Climate change meetings. The eagerness to allow foreign Covid positive travelers to cross our shores for the sake of the economy

The mess we are in was created by unsound Lib and Lab thought processes. They are past their use-by date, but we don't need Singapore to fix anything here, all we need is sensible, common sense Australians who know where they live and believe that Australia can be resurrected from the ashes of a "burnt out political waste land"
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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 2:33pm
 
Repatriating poms would be a good start.
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Reply #7 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 2:45pm
 
The cure is simple.

Sack the entire grubberment.

Stop the ridiculious pension system they get and put them on the same as all other Australians with the exact same requirements.

Re-emply people who are honest and Australian.

Employ them on a contract with KPIs,  which if not met, is reason for re-negotiation of contract or termination of employment without benifits.

Keep the number of grubberment employees to a minimum and ensure that they have KPIs.

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Reply #8 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 3:15pm
 
Don't worry Phi.
Corona has the answer to the problem. Wink
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Reply #9 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 5:18pm
 
The list is long, the work hard - someone has to do it...
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Reply #10 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 5:23pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 2:33pm:
Repatriating poms would be a good start.


Does that include all the semi-breeds... or are they sacred cows?  Just do a Pascoe  and do a Koon Claim and you're off to a flying start with dopey governments handing you money left and right and 'professorships' at such illustrious Houses of Unlearning as SUT (what used to be Sydney Higher Institute of Technology =SHLT).

Past gf of mine got involved in the 'Centre for Excellence for Women In Politics' there - and has never looked back.... amazing - like many another such, if you knew her for real.......   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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We need a Social Nationalist Party - cue the dopes with their claims of 'Hitler', and 'Nazis'.... Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 6:51pm
 
Valkie wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 2:45pm:
The cure is simple.

Sack the entire  :Ú   : :.

Stop the ridiculious pension system they get and put them on the same as all other Australians with the exact same requirements.

Re-emply people who are honest and Australian.

Employ them on a contract with KPIs,  which if not met, is reason for re-negotiation of contract or termination of employment without benifits.

Keep the number of grubberment employees to a minimum and ensure that they have KPIs.

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We trust you next job application is a little more - - er  - - literate.
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Mix_Master wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:49pm:
[quote author=Phi link=1608601890/0#0 date=1608601890]In 1950 Australia's population was about eight million people. The Government had a small debt that was entirely eliminated by 1970. In 1950 Australian's owned almost all of the country. The idea of selling its land and other assets to foreigners was not only frowned upon, but considered treasonous.

SNIP> . . . .
Removing the profit motive from essential services might be yet another.

A Federal ICAC would be high on the agenda...



Enjoyed your overview & agreed with most of it.
However, whenever I read ‘essential services’ I wonder who determines which are essential and how. Take for instance home help for the elderly. Some consider this a branch of welfare as well as essential. The Liberals with their unproven obsession that privitisation is always the most efficient way to deliver anything have made a real mess of inflicting this ideology on untold thousands of the vulnerable and elderly. Previously these home help etc kinds of service were delivered either by local councils and not for profit groups such as Anglicare. Now we have a ‘layered’ system where on private profit making body sub-contracts the work out to another private for profit body and so on down the line. The result of all these private companies taking their little share of government funding and recipients contributions has in most cases doubled the cost to clients and decreased the efficiency of the service. The strange thing about this silly hybrid model is the Liberal Party pretends it’s a form of free enterprise. Go figure.
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Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 7:05pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:49pm:
[quote author=Phi link=1608601890/0#0 date=1608601890]In 1950 Australia's population was about eight million people. The Government had a small debt that was entirely eliminated by 1970. In 1950 Australian's owned almost all of the country. The idea of selling its land and other assets to foreigners was not only frowned upon, but considered treasonous.

SNIP> . . . .
Removing the profit motive from essential services might be yet another.

A Federal ICAC would be high on the agenda...



Enjoyed your overview & agreed with most of it.
However, whenever I read ‘essential services’ I wonder who determines which are essential and how. Take for instance home help for the elderly. Some consider this a branch of welfare as well as essential. The Liberals with their unproven obsession that privitisation is always the most efficient way to deliver anything have made a real mess of inflicting this ideology on untold thousands of the vulnerable and elderly. Previously these home help etc kinds of service were delivered either by local councils and not for profit groups such as Anglicare. Now we have a ‘layered’ system where on private profit making body sub-contracts the work out to another private for profit body and so on down the line. The result of all these private companies taking their little share of government funding and recipients contributions has in most cases doubled the cost to clients and decreased the efficiency of the service. The strange thing about this silly hybrid model is the Liberal Party pretends it’s a form of free enterprise. Go figure.


Good propaganda, Comrade. It's was very clever of you to ignore the privatisation under Labor: Commonwealth Bank, QANTAS, Qld Motorways, Port of Brisbane Authority, Forestry Plantations, Abbott Point Coal Terminal, Coal carrying rail lines, NSW electricity, etc.  We shouldn't let the truth spoil our propaganda. This is progress.
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