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Dec 21st, 2020 at 6:20am
 
Top end tax cuts fail economy and boost inequality: studies   Sad
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December 21, 2020


The Morrison government's plan to flatten the tax system and cut taxes for high income earners may increase inequality and fail to boost productivity, ground-breaking international research suggests while leaving a future government with a multibillion-dollar budget headache.

Based on analysis of past cuts to Australia's top marginal tax rate and to rates in developed nations, the research raises doubts whether the government's plans will help boost economic activity enough to cover the costs left by the pandemic recession.

Planned tax cuts could increase inequality and do little to boost the economy, new global research suggests.   Sad


The global debate over income tax cuts for high income earners has grown since the global financial crisis but accelerated recently as some countries consider tax relief as a way to recover from the coronavirus downturn.

In the October budget, the government brought forward tax cuts for middle income earners including lifting the 32.5 per cent threshold from $90,000 to $120,000. It also continued for another year the low and middle income tax offset.



Larger and more expensive cuts are due to start in mid-2024. They include abolishing the 32.5 per cent threshold and extending the 30 per cent rate to incomes between $45,000 and $200,000.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has said the changes will maintain the progressive nature of the tax system, reward effort and "encourage aspiration".

But research by Enrico Rubolino and Daniel Waldenstrom and recently published in the The Journal of Economic Inequality suggests the cuts will benefit high income earners and do little for the rest.   Sad

Their work, which looked specifically at previous cuts in the top marginal tax rate in Australia, New Zealand and Norway, found they delivered "large and lasting" positive impacts to the top few per cent of wage earners and "almost zero" to lower income earners.

Not only was there little in the way of financial benefit to lower income earners, tax cuts also failed to boost the overall economy, instead increasing redistribution within the economy.

"We cannot find any significant impact by tax reforms on economic output or other efficiency indicators, which could indicate that the effect on top income shares was not driven by the generation of new resources but rather a redistribution of existing ones," they found.

Josh Frydenberg with Scott Morrison after the 2019-20 budget at which the Treasurer revealed plans to expand the government's long-term tax cut plan.


Professor Waldenstrom told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age there may be an incentive impact from tax cuts that encourage younger people to change their study choices in a bid to maximise their working incomes.

But there was evidence that as higher income earners benefited more directly from lower taxes on capital, such as capital gains tax, there was an active incentive for tax avoidance.

"We find that the share of capital income of total income increases after the tax reforms and we suggest that lower relative taxation of capital and the possibility to steer incomes is part of the explanation for why lower tax progressivity leads to higher top income shares," he said.

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Separate research from the London School of Economics, covering 18 OECD nations over the past five decades, found reducing taxes on high income earners has added to inequality.

Economists David Hope and Julian Limberg found despite the arguments of tax cut proponents, reductions for higher income earners did not encourage these people to work longer or at a higher effort while they failed to boost overall economic activity.

Instead, tax cuts encouraged higher income earners to look for more ways to boost their incomes.

"Lower taxes on the rich encourage high income earners to bargain more forcefully to increase their own compensation, at the direct expense of those lower down the income distribution," they found.

Apart from boosting incentives, Mr Frydenberg has argued the tax cuts are necessary to protect ordinary workers from "bracket creep" where they pay a higher proportion of tax as their incomes increase.

But the independent Parliamentary Budget Office this month, in its report on the medium term outlook for the budget, noted that under the government's plan only those people in the highest 20 per cent of incomes will have a lower average tax rate in 2030-31 compared to 2017-18.

The biggest increases in average tax cuts are expected for the middle 40 per cent of earners.

"The effects of the stage three tax cuts legislated for 2024-25 are substantially more beneficial to those in the higher income quintiles, resulting in those taxpayers being the largest overall beneficiary.
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Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:39am
 
The USA example of massive tax cuts saw a reduction in unemployment and a booming economy - sadly, COVID 19 put an end to that for a while.
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Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:50am
 
WK the article appears to be saying that it will boost the economy. Did you read it?
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Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 9:19am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:50am:
WK the article appears to be saying that it will boost the economy. Did you read it?


Not according to what I read

for you that would be expected

you believe 2 tonne walruses climb & dive off vertical cliffs. Grin
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Poor things!

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Reply #5 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:47pm
 
Didn't expect anything else, did you?  In any Banana Republic run by petty Fascist tyrants the budget is wide open for the mates... you all know that.... being in government isn't about managing the nation on behalf of all - it's about ruining it to suit yourself and mates...
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Reply #6 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:48pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 9:19am:
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:50am:
WK the article appears to be saying that it will boost the economy. Did you read it?


Not according to what I read

for you that would be expected

you believe 2 tonne walruses climb & dive off vertical cliffs. Grin


Only when they're doing a lemming imitation...
"look at me, Tuskie!  I can jump from higher than you... no hands...."

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Reply #7 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:08pm
 
you really need to find a way to get maximum $$$$ in the hands of those at the top (provided they are running modern companies ..like tesla, facebook, google, apple, amazon, ebay etc).

if you give money to the poor, you dont get any new companies.

but if you make sure the entrepreneurs have plenty of cash, they can build new technologies.

look at musk .

the guy is so creative.

why would you take cash off him and give it to someone at the bottom?
do you think they are going to design a new electric car in the garage of their public housing squat  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.


think how we treat athletes.

our very best get sent to the institute of sport and get the very best money can buy.
we really spoil them

we dont have the institute of sport go out and have elite physios treating fat kids in public schools, we pay them to make the elite even more awesome.

this is a good investment.
both in sport and in business .
china massively funds its unicorn entrepreneurs.
we should too
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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 4:10pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:08pm:
you really need to find a way to get maximum $$$$ in the hands of those at the top (provided they are running modern companies ..like tesla, facebook, google, apple, amazon, ebay etc).

if you give money to the poor, you dont get any new companies.

but if you make sure the entrepreneurs have plenty of cash, they can build new technologies.

look at musk .

the guy is so creative.

why would you take cash off him and give it to someone at the bottom?
do you think they are going to design a new electric car in the garage of their public housing squat  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.


think how we treat athletes.

our very best get sent to the institute of sport and get the very best money can buy.
we really spoil them

we dont have the institute of sport go out and have elite physios treating fat kids in public schools, we pay them to make the elite even more awesome.

this is a good investment.
both in sport and in business .
china massively funds its unicorn entrepreneurs.
we should too


"you really need to find a way to get maximum $$$$ in the hands of those at the top"

I burst out laughing at that - why would you hand them any more than they've already got?  It's not like they're doing a great job with it.....FFS..... the write off their development and setup costs etc already... they already get paid for those.... and everything else.....

Lay out the advantages for us of handing the already overfat more and more?  More jobs?  Don't make me laugh again.... less poverty... don't make me laugh again... more social equality... don't make me laugh again ..... less crime in the lower end of town... don't make me laugh again...

I say change the tax rules and tax the highest at 90% .....
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 4:25pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 4:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:08pm:
you really need to find a way to get maximum $$$$ in the hands of those at the top (provided they are running modern companies ..like tesla, facebook, google, apple, amazon, ebay etc).

if you give money to the poor, you dont get any new companies.

but if you make sure the entrepreneurs have plenty of cash, they can build new technologies.

look at musk .

the guy is so creative.

why would you take cash off him and give it to someone at the bottom?
do you think they are going to design a new electric car in the garage of their public housing squat  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.


think how we treat athletes.

our very best get sent to the institute of sport and get the very best money can buy.
we really spoil them

we dont have the institute of sport go out and have elite physios treating fat kids in public schools, we pay them to make the elite even more awesome.

this is a good investment.
both in sport and in business .
china massively funds its unicorn entrepreneurs.
we should too


"you really need to find a way to get maximum $$$$ in the hands of those at the top"

I burst out laughing at that - why would you hand them any more than they've already got?  It's not like they're doing a great job with it.....FFS..... the write off their development and setup costs etc already... they already get paid for those.... and everything else.....

Lay out the advantages for us of handing the already overfat more and more?  More jobs?  Don't make me laugh again.... less poverty... don't make me laugh again... more social equality... don't make me laugh again ..... less crime in the lower end of town... don't make me laugh again...

I say change the tax rules and tax the highest at 90% .....


incorrect.

they ARE doing a great job of it.

the guys who started apple, google, facebook, ebay, amazon, tesla have created ENORMOUS prosperity for their country.

to design a new chip, intel reckon you need 5 billion dollars.

so if you want a better chip to make your IT better, you have to give SOMEONE 5 billion.

if you take it off him and give a bit to grappler and a bit to whiteknight and a bit to aqua, you NEVER get that breakthru
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm
 
You do realise that the company(ies) and the rich man are two totally separate legal and operating entities, don't you?  That means the company can take a hit, but the rich man doesn't... the company can take a loss, but the rich owner will still be paid his dividends and his 'salary' for 'working' in the company (if he/she does, that is)...  it also means that giving that rich individual a tax cut does nothing for the company....

Giving tax cuts to top paid individuals does not one thing to alter the current balance... and besides, there is no argument for offering a rich man a tax cut when he's already taken many cuts out of his gross income long before arriving at 'taxable income'. 

Kerry Packer and the $25k??  You there yet?

Now if you could fairly argue that rich people are taxed on their full incomes ........ let's hear it for how much they pay already - they, and their company(ies) would pay a lot more if they were bound by the same rules as the ordinary worker.  Let's get Andre back to trot out the old furphy that the richest paid 90% income tax - sure - only on the very top over and above then £20,000 (now a mere £210.000 or well over half a million taxable income) - and that only applied to the small amount over and above the next lower tax bracket....

Musk doesn't do one iota of innovation etc.... any more than your banker or someone who invests in your property invents a new shoe for your horses...

Business and actual work are galaxies apart....
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Reply #11 - Dec 21st, 2020 at 6:20pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:52pm:
Poor things!


 
It's bullshit ....... they haul out on beaches .... where they went off cliffs.....

they had hauled out on beaches ... when crowded they went up gentle slopes from the beach to the top of a headland.

They were then pushed by other factors to try to return to the sea by going over the cliffs.

They don't climb vertical cliffs ... they fall off them because of overcrowding & being scared by polar bears or human beings including the wankers who filmed & selectively edited what they presented to the world ... through David Attenborough.

It's a complete lie

It's a common occurrence  with walrus haul outs mainly because they are at far bigger numbers now than ever before.

It's got SFA to do with climate change.

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Reply #12 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 8:11am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 9:19am:
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:50am:
WK the article appears to be saying that it will boost the economy. Did you read it?


Not according to what I read

for you that would be expected

you believe 2 tonne walruses climb & dive off vertical cliffs. Grin


Let's all see Gnads demonstrate his reading comprehension for us:

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the research raises doubts whether the government's plans will help boost economic activity enough to cover the costs left by the pandemic recession


What is this saying Gnads?
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Reply #13 - Dec 22nd, 2020 at 11:14am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 8:11am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 9:19am:
freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:50am:
WK the article appears to be saying that it will boost the economy. Did you read it?


Not according to what I read

for you that would be expected

you believe 2 tonne walruses climb & dive off vertical cliffs. Grin


Let's all see Gnads demonstrate his reading comprehension for us:

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the research raises doubts whether the government's plans will help boost economic activity enough to cover the costs left by the pandemic recession


What is this saying Gnads?


It's saying that the government's PLANS (that's plural) are in the shade of the pandemic recession that we were not supposed to be in..... it doesn't specifically address the issue of these silly tax cuts direct.

As said to aquascoot - giving individuals a tax cut will do nothing for the economy other than a few paltry purchases they may make (they already ahve all they need, so that's a moot point), and instead all that extra will just vanish down the rabbit holes of tax dodging, into non taxpaying venues such as serial housing, 'investment', and offshore trips and buying etc, not to mention spirited away into tax havens so it pays no tax here.

EVERY transfer of cash to a tax haven should be taxed at the highest marginal rate - the person involved can resolve it at tax time..... if there is a deliberate trail of cash to it ends up in a tax haven, same applies - since this is so difficult to follow, easier to simply tax every offshore transfer at top marginal rate and let them sort their taxes out HERE.

That'll slow one hell of a lot of 'em down - including politicians.... so let's add that income from Offshore is taxed the same way and dealt with at tax time REGARDLESS of any tax paid Offshore*... that should slow the bastards down with their rorted superannuation scheme for themselves and so forth.

*Get it?  If you pay, for example the same rate Offshore as you would pay here after your return is fully reviewed, then you get a portion back if you have been over-taxed.... if you paid 5% Offshore and are liable for 25% here, well .. you know..... you get a lot less back if you already paid (what is it?) 32%.. if you are liable for the highest marginal rate, you get nothing back from that portion of your tax

Simple, eh?.

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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:06am
 
It's a very strange way of saying it, unless there is an assumption on the part of the author that the research did in fact indicate that it would boost the economy. Don't you think Grapps? They are trying very hard to paint it in a negative light, but cannot help saying it is beneficial.
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