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Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:28am
 
Australia’s coal industry is dying and taxpayers could be left to foot the bill, ex-BP boss warns   Sad
Dec 20 2020 New Daily.
Australia’s coal industry is slowly dying, and without a transition plan taxpayers can expect to be slugged billions, a former president of BP has warned.

The warning comes at the end of a dark week for Australia’s coal industry, with China officially blocking coal imports from Australia after months of vague restrictions.

This was swiftly followed by the owners of Australia’s newest coal-fired power station announcing they had written down the value of the asset to zero, wiping out a $1.2 billion investment.

Climate Council energy expert and former President of BP Australasia Greg Bourne said the writing is clearly on the wall for coal.

We urgently need an energy transformation, Mr Bourne told The New Daily.

“Transition carries that sense of smooth and gentle. We’re looking at a desperate need to transform our energy systems,” he said.

There are currently 24 coal-fired power stations operating in Australia, according to the federal government, and without a plan to phase them out Australians could be left to pick up the bill, Mr Bourne said.

The remediation of coal plants – cleaning up the hazardous materials to meet federal and state requirements – can cost upwards of $100 million dollars, depending on the site.


Australia’s newest coal mine has been written off as worthless.
If the company can’t cover the cost, it falls to the taxpayer.

Some sites are simply abandoned. Australia has at least 60,000 abandoned mines, some of them dating back to the gold rush. But others closer to inhabited areas need to be cleaned up.

In 2016 a report by the ABC revealed in Queensland alone, taxpayers are exposed to a $3.2-billion black hole in funding for the future environmental clean-up of the state’s coal mines.

At the start of this month, mining giant Peabody announced it would temporarily close its Metropolitan Mine at Helensburgh on the NSW Illawarra Coast for eight weeks from January 4.

The announcement sparked fears the company will soon fold and leave taxpayers to foot the bill.

The Queensland government and the NSW minister for natural resources have been named as insurance obligees – to the tune of a combined $35 million.

But they have both said they will not be picking up the bill.

It’s not just coal – federally taxpayers are about to fork out for an estimated $200 million to clean up the Northern Endeavour floating production, storage and offtake facility.

The federal government has been responsible for maintaining the Northern Endeavour and associated subsea facilities since February 2020 after its owners, the Northern Oil and Gas Australia (NOGA) group of companies, were placed in liquidation.

The coal industry employs 50,000 Australians. For context, plumbers are number around 80,000. But the coal industry has made money.

In 2018, the value of coal exports was $67 billion, equivalent to 3.5 per cent of nominal GDP. Mining companies paid $12 billion in royalties to state governments in 2017-18.


Australian coal has been one of the nation’s major exports.
Coal not only helped build modern Australia but has broken prime ministers and become one of the most contentious topics in the nation.

“Isn’t it amazing what this little black rock can do?” was the key slogan of the Minerals Council’s notorious marketing campaign about coal’s “endless possibilities” in 2015.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison famously held up a hunk of coal in Parliament in 2017, saying “don’t be scared”.

But Australia is now out of step with our largest trading partners in Asia, the institutional investment community, and a growing number of the world’s biggest companies for its refusal to commit to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.

A transformation of Australia’s energy sector does not need to be destabilising.

Research released this year from The Australia Institute’s Climate & Energy program has shown that an orderly approach to phasing-out thermal coal would shield Australian workers, communities and the economy from the negative consequences of an unmanaged transition.

The study, authored by John Quiggin, Professor of Economics at The University of Queensland, found that a managed transition out of thermal coal over ten years could be achieved with minimal disruption to coal workers, regional communities and the Australian economy.

Australia’s transition away from excessive carbon pollution must begin with an urgent and coordinated phase-out of thermal coal production and use,” Professor Quiggin said.
“Fortunately, with enough advance notice and an appropriate transition plan, the thermal coal industry can be phased-out over time without any significant dislocation to workers.”

Mr Bourne said Australia must plan this transformation into new energy or risk a massive social cost to mining communities and taxpayers.

“In the UK a lot of mines were never remediated after they stopped coal and so many of the workers were dropped in it with no transition planning. That’s a social disaster,” he said.

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Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:34am
 
Time to move away from coal, and towards renewables.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:03am
 
The coal industry earns export dollars .
Renewables cost money to import solar panels and wind turbines.


So , when we kill the coal industry there will be less money for government spending.

I am glad white knight is supporting a reduction in new start  as part of the sacrifice necessary to reduce fossil fuels.

He and the unemployed are going to be making a noble sacrifice to achieve this.

Well done sir,


Baked beans. On toast for Christmas for you but at least german and Chinese engineering companies making solar panels  will be enjoying turkey  Grin
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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:43am
 
Gee - no wonder Kevin 07 was going on about Australia having an opportunity to get into smart technologies like solar panels and such.... guess we missed another chance and we'll all have to go horse farming and glut the market..... nothing else to do but drink in Ceduna....
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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:51am
 
"Australia’s newest coal mine has been written off as worthless.
If the company can’t cover the cost, it falls to the taxpayer.

Some sites are simply abandoned. Australia has at least 60,000 abandoned mines, some of them dating back to the gold rush. But others closer to inhabited areas need to be cleaned up.

In 2016 a report by the ABC revealed in Queensland alone, taxpayers are exposed to a $3.2-billion black hole in funding for the future environmental clean-up of the state’s coal mines."



Gee - it's beginning (LMFAO) to sound as if the whole thing would have been better left under government control in every way in the first place.... private enterprise is just not hacking it, I'm afraid... hardly pays its way in taxes anyway, then hits the taxpayer with a huge cleanup bill...

I see the Queensland unicameral 'government'
(The Predictables)
are, as usual suspects, deep in the sh1t here... maybe they could lease a few islands to Chinkerman overlord gangster bullies to stand over the residents etc.... make a few dollars to keep the economy alive on life support by flogging off every bit of state and national sovereignty... maybe flog off all tourism rights to the Reef to the highest bidder for a thousand years or something ..... light a fire.. sit around and sing some songs....
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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:54am
 
whiteknight wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:34am:
Time to move away from coal, and towards renewables.   Sad


Grin Grin Unless you go completely off grid you should then want to worry about unstable supply & Electricity generators/retailers wanting to control what you have turned on in your house.

They already can switch off your hot water systems if you sign up for the offpeak supply.

They now have Smart Air Conditioners they want to sell you(with generous monetary incentive) so they can control & switch it off in times of peak demand.

That's also the goal of Smart Meter installation - 1. to price gouge & 2. to be able to switch you off if demand can't be met.

So you want to hope the coal industry can find some new markets.
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:51am:
"Australia’s newest coal mine has been written off as worthless.
If the company can’t cover the cost, it falls to the taxpayer.

Some sites are simply abandoned. Australia has at least 60,000 abandoned mines, some of them dating back to the gold rush. But others closer to inhabited areas need to be cleaned up.

In 2016 a report by the ABC revealed in Queensland alone, taxpayers are exposed to a $3.2-billion black hole in funding for the future environmental clean-up of the state’s coal mines."



Gee - it's beginning (LMFAO) to sound as if the whole thing would have been better left under government control in every way in the first place.... private enterprise is just not hacking it, I'm afraid... hardly pays its way in taxes anyway, then hits the taxpayer with a huge cleanup bill...

I see the Queensland unicameral 'government'
(The Predictables)
are, as usual suspects, deep in the sh1t here... maybe they could lease a few islands to Chinkerman overlord gangster bullies to stand over the residents etc.... make a few dollars to keep the economy alive on life support by flogging off every bit of state and national sovereignty... maybe flog off all tourism rights to the Reef to the highest bidder for a thousand years or something ..... light a fire.. sit around and sing some songs....


QLD have already kicked the last 2 Premiers to the kerb for selling off state assets .....

Anna Palasczuk will be lined up for the same treatment if she starts doing more than giving a 99 yr lease to the Chinese for Keswick Island.

How much of NSW has Hot Pants Gladys sold off? Grin
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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 12:36pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:28am:
The warning comes at the end of a dark week for Australia’s coal industry, with China officially blocking coal imports from Australia after months of vague restrictions.



And China, in winter, is having power outages. How to shoot yourself in the foot in one easy lesson. Wink

Edit: Ex BP boss warns? is that the same BP who are heavily into Solar and wind? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Oooh the climate council. Tim Flannery et al. Wink
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whiteknight wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:28am:
Australia’s coal industry is dying and taxpayers could be left to foot the bill, ex-BP boss warns   Sad
Dec 20 2020 New Daily.
Australia’s coal industry
is slowly dying, and without a transition plan taxpayers can expect to be slugged billions, a former president of BP has warned.

The warning comes at the end of a dark week for Australia’s coal industry, with China officially blocking coal imports from Australia after months of vague restrictions.

This was swiftly followed by the owners of Australia’s newest coal-fired power station announcing they had written down the value of the asset to zero, wiping out a $1.2 billion investment.

Climate Council energy expert and former President of BP Australasia Greg Bourne said the writing is clearly on the wall for coal.

We urgently need an energy transformation, Mr Bourne told The New Daily.

“Transition carries that sense of smooth and gentle. We’re looking at a desperate need to transform our energy systems,” he said.

There are currently 24 coal-fired power stations operating in Australia, according to the federal government, and without a plan to phase them out Australians could be left to pick up the bill, Mr Bourne said.

The remediation of coal plants – cleaning up the hazardous materials to meet federal and state requirements – can cost upwards of $100 million dollars, depending on the site.


Australia’s newest coal mine has been written off as worthless.
If the company can’t cover the cost, it falls to the taxpayer.

Some sites are simply abandoned. Australia has at least 60,000 abandoned mines, some of them dating back to the gold rush. But others closer to inhabited areas need to be cleaned up.

In 2016 a report by the ABC revealed in Queensland alone, taxpayers are exposed to a $3.2-billion black hole in funding for the future environmental clean-up of the state’s coal mines.

At the start of this month, mining giant Peabody announced it would temporarily close its Metropolitan Mine at Helensburgh on the NSW Illawarra Coast for eight weeks from January 4.

The announcement sparked fears the company will soon fold and leave taxpayers to foot the bill.

The Queensland government and the NSW minister for natural resources have been named as insurance obligees – to the tune of a combined $35 million.

But they have both said they will not be picking up the bill.

It’s not just coal – federally taxpayers are about to fork out for an estimated $200 million to clean up the Northern Endeavour floating production, storage and offtake facility.

The federal government has been responsible for maintaining the Northern Endeavour and associated subsea facilities since February 2020 after its owners, the Northern Oil and Gas Australia (NOGA) group of companies, were placed in liquidation.

The coal industry employs 50,000 Australians. For context, plumbers are number around 80,000. But the coal industry has made money.

In 2018, the value of coal exports was $67 billion, equivalent to 3.5 per cent of nominal GDP. Mining companies paid $12 billion in royalties to state governments in 2017-18.


Australian coal has been one of the nation’s major exports.
Coal not only helped build modern Australia but has broken prime ministers and become one of the most contentious topics in the nation.

“Isn’t it amazing what this little black rock can do?” was the key slogan of the Minerals Council’s notorious marketing campaign about coal’s “endless possibilities” in 2015.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison famously held up a hunk of coal in Parliament in 2017, saying “don’t be scared”.

But Australia is now out of step with our largest trading partners in Asia, the institutional investment community, and a growing number of the world’s biggest companies for its refusal to commit to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.

A transformation of Australia’s energy sector does not need to be destabilising.

Research released this year from The Australia Institute’s Climate & Energy program has shown that an orderly approach to phasing-out thermal coal would shield Australian workers, communities and the economy from the negative consequences of an unmanaged transition.

The study, authored by John Quiggin, Professor of Economics at The University of Queensland, found that a managed transition out of thermal coal over ten years could be achieved with minimal disruption to coal workers, regional communities and the Australian economy.

Australia’s transition away from excessive carbon pollution must begin with an urgent and coordinated phase-out of thermal coal production and use,” Professor Quiggin said.
“Fortunately, with enough advance notice and an appropriate transition plan, the thermal coal industry can be phased-out over time without any significant dislocation to workers.”

Mr Bourne said Australia must plan this transformation into new energy or risk a massive social cost to mining communities and taxpayers.

“In the UK a lot of mines were never remediated after they stopped coal and so many of the workers were dropped in it with no transition planning. That’s a social disaster,” he said.



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Lots of coal miners have gone bankrupt in the US. Interesting to read in the documents lodged with the courts the people these miners paid to misrepresent AGW science.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 1:16pm:
Interesting to read in the documents lodged with the courts the people these miners paid to misrepresent AGW science.



Yes. Lodged documents with allegations. None PROVED true. They remain allegations. Wink
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WTF idiot?

These are documents lodged by the COAL COMPANIES to a court as part of filing the application for bankruptcy protection. Geez, DUMB!
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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 1:53pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 1:44pm:
These are documents lodged by the COAL COMPANIES to a court as part of filing the application for bankruptcy protection.



Then in that case you can provide a link? Or perhaps you mean perceptions about AGW is hurting their business. Wink
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POOR LITTLE PETAL!

I will leave you to do your own research. Try searching Peabody Coal.

I did have a great laugh at your initial reply. Anything but admit basic physics is correct, eh?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

By basic physics I mean papers by Planck and Einstein in the early 1900s.
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Honest Govt ad on our emissions targets:



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Hmmph, how backwards! OzPol cannot display Twitter videos? Really?

So go to: www.polanimal.com.au then click “Just browsing” anc click on “Global Warming and Australian Energy Market” then click on “Renewable Energy Developments” and scroll down until Dec 13th. Sorry for making you do all that work but YABB that OzPol runs on just isn’t all that powerful!
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
Hmmph, how backwards! OzPol cannot display Twitter videos? Really?

So go to: www.polanimal.com.au then click “Just browsing” anc click on “Global Warming and Australian Energy Market” then click on “Renewable Energy Developments” and scroll down until Dec 13th. Sorry for making you do all that work but YABB that OzPol runs on just isn’t all that powerful!


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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 3:45pm
 
You are an idiot. I think you know that and are trying to cover up with posts you no doubt consider clever but that normal people can see are stupid and derivative.

You are a moron trying to pretend to be normal.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 3:01pm:
I will leave you to do your own research. Try searching Peabody Coal.


I already did that petal.

"In October 2017, a judge ruled that Peabody Energy's bankruptcy protected it from "global-warming lawsuits brought by California coastal communities [in July 2017] against fossil-fuel companies."[49]"

Source Wiki

Note it does NOT say it went bankrupt because of global warming lawsuits or "these miners paid to misrepresent AGW science". Roll Eyes

It is still in the coal industry.

"In 2018, Peabody announced it plans to invest $10 million in a partnership with London-based Arq, a company that is advancing technology to convert coal into oil products.[50]

On December 3rd Peabody completed its purchase of the Shoal Creek Seaborne metallurgical coal mine from private coal producer Drummond Company, Inc. for $387 million.[51] "

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"Leading global coal producer Peabody Energy Corp BTU.N filed for U.S. bankruptcy protection on Wednesday after a sharp drop in coal prices left it unable to service debt of $10.1 billion, much of it incurred for an expansion into Australia."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-peabody-energy-bankruptcy-idUSKCN0XA0E7

Nope. Nothing there about avoiding AGW claims.

But perhaps you have the documents that you claim were used in bankruptcy? Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 3:01pm:
I did have a great laugh at your initial reply. Anything but admit basic physics is correct, eh? 


Poor petal. For a "scientist" you are dumb.
We know CO2 theory.

Planck ( according to wiki), "Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T, when there is no net flow of matter or energy between the body and its environment.[1] "  But we know that the earth is not a black body, much as you wish it to be true. It is a grey body.

"The central dogma is critically evaluated in the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) theory of the IPCC, claiming the Planck response is 1.2K when CO2 is doubled. The first basis of it is one dimensional model studies with the fixed lapse rate assumption of 6.5°K/km. It is failed from the lack of the parameter sensitivity analysis of the lapse rate for CO2 doubling. The second basis is the Planck response calculation by Cess in 1976 having a mathematical error. Therefore, the AGW theory is collapsed along with the canonical climate sensitivity of 3°K utilizing the radiative forcing of 3.7W/m2 for CO2 doubling. The surface climate sensitivity is 0.14-0.17K in this study with the surface radiative forcing of 1.1W/m2. Since the CO2 issue is removed, coal will be the energy for the future of many nations in terms of the amount of resource and production cost.” "

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1260/0958-305x.26.6-7.1055

Einstein? You mean the bloke who said CO2 can't store heat?

Perhaps James Hansen?

"The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse gas effect, is simple. An increase in gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. "

Hansen et al.; 2011

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140

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Nope. The opacity hasn't changed beyond norms.

...

Nope no reduced heat energy to space.

"The partition of the outgoing long wave radiation into upward atmospheric emittance and surface transmitted radiation components is based on the accurate computation of the true greenhouse-gas optical thickness for the radiosonde data. New relationships among the flux components have been found and are used to construct a quasi-allsky model of the earth's atmospheric energy transfer process. In the 1948-2008 time period the global average annual mean true greenhouse-gas optical thickness is found to be time-stationary."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43734929?seq=1

More heating should give higher Relative Humidity

"The resultant, more humid atmosphere, causes a hotspot over the tropics at altitudes of 10km to 12km). "

"Temperature trends from raw radiosonde data are also inconsistent with climate models, which project an upper tropospheric warming maximum, especially in the tropics"

(Santer et al. 2005; Trenberth et al. 2007; Santer et al. 2008)

"the vertical trend profiles in the tropics did not show the enhanced upper tropospheric amplification as predicted by climate models"

http://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00668.1
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