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Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction?
Dec 14^th, 2020 at 1:29pm

Could Australia's high rise buildings become tourist attractions like the leaning tower of Pisa?

It shames Australian engineering and Australian council oversight of buildings.

The problems have not been identified and solved in 18 months which implies the problems could be more serious than currently perceived to be.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/mascot-towers-leaning-and-unstable-letter...

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'Leaning and unstable' Mascot Towers poses 'genuine safety risk to public', letter claims
By Tim Swanston

Sydney's trouble-plagued Mascot Towers are "leaning" and remain so unstable, businesses in the building will no longer be accessible from Friday, a legal letter has revealed.

Key points:
The development was evacuated last year after cracks were found in support structures
Owners now face a multi-million-dollar repair bill
According to a legal letter, the building remains unsafe 18 months after the initial damage was found
Such is the risk to public safety, the owners of shops and restaurants on the building's ground floor have been told an exclusion zone will be set up around some areas next week.

The dangers were revealed in a letter from lawyers representing the building's Owners Corporation, which was sent to business owners last week.

"Our client has been advised by the engineers for 'Mascot Towers' building that the facades of the buildings are leaning and unstable and has identified a genuine safety risk to the public on both the Bourke Street and Church Street boundaries," the letter reads.

"On 4 November 2020 SafeWork NSW attended the site and acknowledged the advice of the engineers that the facades are an immediate safety concern for which an exclusion zone must be established.

"You should assume that as and from 18 December 2020 your lot will no longer be accessible.

"Owner occupiers and tenants will not be able to trade from the lot for an indefinite period of time from this date."

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction? Reply #1 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 2:28pm thats a shocker I feel so much for those people....this is an engineers problem by the look of things.....who were the engineers on this project? who passed it in the council??....unstable land.....so thats the owners fault???? its a bloody disgrace and not the first for NSW......
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80196 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction? Reply #2 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:02pm No body responsible seems to want to ante up and pay the costs.... Caveat Emptor..... ... I didn't know there was a cave at Emptor - where is that?
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Reply #3 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:20pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

No body responsible seems to want to ante up and pay the costs.... Caveat Emptor.....

... I didn't know there was a cave at Emptor - where is that?

People are terribly undereducated on the risks of buying into a tower block and there's a very short list of great developers doing them in Sydney.

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Reply #4 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:31pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

No body responsible seems to want to ante up and pay the costs.... Caveat Emptor.....

... I didn't know there was a cave at Emptor - where is that?

People are terribly undereducated on the risks of buying into a tower block and there's a very short list of great developers doing them in Sydney.

The Gold Rush is in full swing and they simply don't do all the homework... bad news when it turns into a disaster.

Them's the perils of becoming a Third World country - we can have the same building standards for blocks of homes as Turkey, the old USSR, Farkmanyistan and so forth.... one li'l ol' earthquake and down goes all before.... one li'l ol' mistake over the drainage and argh... she be leanin' t' port, Cap'n!

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Reply #5 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 4:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

No body responsible seems to want to ante up and pay the costs.... Caveat Emptor.....

... I didn't know there was a cave at Emptor - where is that?

People are terribly undereducated on the risks of buying into a tower block and there's a very short list of great developers doing them in Sydney.

The Gold Rush is in full swing and they simply don't do all the homework... bad news when it turns into a disaster.

Them's the perils of becoming a Third World country - we can have the same building standards for blocks of homes as Turkey, the old USSR, Farkmanyistan and so forth.... one li'l ol' earthquake and down goes all before.... one li'l ol' mistake over the drainage and argh... she be leanin' t' port, Cap'n!

or just plain old fashioned corruption at the top....

didnt Wollongong council have trouble making deals with developers....?????......so far I havent seen one person who works for the Planning dept face any form of questioning on this awful problem and it goes on and on.....shonky land sales... where do they start??????????????????....thats right at the top..

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Reply #6 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 10:00pm

All of which, while valid, leaves aside the risks of close by development work on another tower.

I remember reading about a place in - I think - Manhattan, the costs of which would make either of these developments look like Public Housing. $USD4M was, I recall, the minimum cost for a studio in that place.

It, too, took on a decided lean...

*cue all and sundry scurrying for financial cover*.

I feel for those in that situation. A mortgage still to pay. A completely unsaleable asset, which you can't live in or derive income from...and six figure "make good" bill on top.

Something to be said for solid, free-standing houses I reckon.

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Reply #7 - Dec 14^th, 2020 at 10:03pm

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 4:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 3:02pm:

No body responsible seems to want to ante up and pay the costs.... Caveat Emptor.....

... I didn't know there was a cave at Emptor - where is that?

People are terribly undereducated on the risks of buying into a tower block and there's a very short list of great developers doing them in Sydney.

The Gold Rush is in full swing and they simply don't do all the homework... bad news when it turns into a disaster.

Them's the perils of becoming a Third World country - we can have the same building standards for blocks of homes as Turkey, the old USSR, Farkmanyistan and so forth.... one li'l ol' earthquake and down goes all before.... one li'l ol' mistake over the drainage and argh... she be leanin' t' port, Cap'n!

or just plain old fashioned corruption at the top....

didnt Wollongong council have trouble making deals with developers....?????......so far I havent seen one person who works for the Planning dept face any form of questioning on this awful problem and it goes on and on.....shonky land sales... where do they start??????????????????....thats right at the top..

Cods - I am impressed! Now you are getting it right about 'city hall' in all of its manifestations.... come on over to the Bright Side of The Force!

I've seen some beauties passed by councils.... one house that the ex's daughter and then hubby bought didn't pass 'the old guy' test - the drainage was dastardly - water that collected in the back yard ran straight into an opening in the middle of the back wall and under the house - no pipes or anything there to take it away.... eventually they sold it because the floor had black mould and the kids were getting sick. We (the oldies - I'm now the ex's daughter's sort of dad) offered to come down and help and lend expertise/experience to fix it - hubby wouldn't have a bar of it... He Didn't Work On The House On His Holidays! Oh, well... Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 6:06am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 14^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Could Australia's high rise buildings become tourist attractions like the leaning tower of Pisa?

It shames Australian engineering and Australian council oversight of buildings.

The problems have not been identified and solved in 18 months which implies the problems could be more serious than currently perceived to be.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/mascot-towers-leaning-and-unstable-letter...

Quote:

'Leaning and unstable' Mascot Towers poses 'genuine safety risk to public', letter claims
By Tim Swanston

Sydney's trouble-plagued Mascot Towers are "leaning" and remain so unstable, businesses in the building will no longer be accessible from Friday, a legal letter has revealed.

Key points:
The development was evacuated last year after cracks were found in support structures
Owners now face a multi-million-dollar repair bill
According to a legal letter, the building remains unsafe 18 months after the initial damage was found
Such is the risk to public safety, the owners of shops and restaurants on the building's ground floor have been told an exclusion zone will be set up around some areas next week.

The dangers were revealed in a letter from lawyers representing the building's Owners Corporation, which was sent to business owners last week.

"Our client has been advised by the engineers for 'Mascot Towers' building that the facades of the buildings are leaning and unstable and has identified a genuine safety risk to the public on both the Bourke Street and Church Street boundaries," the letter reads.

"On 4 November 2020 SafeWork NSW attended the site and acknowledged the advice of the engineers that the facades are an immediate safety concern for which an exclusion zone must be established.

"You should assume that as and from 18 December 2020 your lot will no longer be accessible.

"Owner occupiers and tenants will not be able to trade from the lot for an indefinite period of time from this date."

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32821 Gender:	Re: Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction? Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 6:17am Wasn't mascot towers built by John Elias As a way to launder money from his drug operations I seem to remember him being in cahoots with John Ibrahim Who is a dodgy kings cross warlord
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95268 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction? Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 8:29am Wasn't it built on reclaimed land?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20223 Gordon Gender:	Re: Leaning tower of Mascot ... tourist attraction? Reply #11 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 8:54am Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 8:29am: Wasn't it built on reclaimed land? Mascot, Botany, Homebush are so heavily polluted from heavy industry you'd have to be nuts to buy there.
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