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Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:38pm
 
Apparently the libs want to do away with by elections. Instead, if an MP resigns or is sacked, they want the party to nominate his replacement. So when an MP gets sacked for corruption, his electorate don't get to decide who will represent them .. scomo will.



What is it with the libs trying to do away with democracy? If scomo doesn't go soon he'll try to turn this country into a fascist state.
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Reply #1 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:41pm
 
No link, did you just make that up?
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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:42pm
 
bugger off stupid
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Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
bugger off stupid


So no link?
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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:38pm:
Apparently the libs want to do away with by elections. Instead, if an MP resigns or is sacked, they want the party to nominate his replacement. So when an MP gets sacked for corruption, his electorate don't get to decide who will represent them .. scomo will.



What is it with the libs trying to do away with democracy? If scomo doesn't go soon he'll try to turn this country into a fascist state.


It's what conservatives do.

They support authoritarian dictatorships, not representative democracy.

It's always been that way.
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Reply #5 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:52pm
 
No link.  Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:06pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:38pm:
Apparently the libs want to do away with by elections. Instead, if an MP resigns or is sacked, they want the party to nominate his replacement. So when an MP gets sacked for corruption, his electorate don't get to decide who will represent them .. scomo will.



What is it with the libs trying to do away with democracy? If scomo doesn't go soon he'll try to turn this country into a fascist state.


It's what we've come to expect from the corrupt Libs/LNP.

"The report suggests looking at the viability of replacing by-elections with alternative methods of selecting the new MP, and declaring a seat “vacant when the sitting MP resigns from or leaves the party under which they were elected”.

"In his forward to the report, Queensland Liberal National Party senator James McGrath says replacing compulsory preferential voting with optional preferential would maximise voter choice."


Parliamentary electoral committee floats bigger parliament, longer terms and no byelections
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:40pm
 
No by-elections with the replacement appointed by the party? A very stupid idea. Apparently the Libs forget that independent MPs exist. Who replaces them?

Four-year terms is an idea that requires a change to the Constitution. Good luck with that. They last tried that in 1988. It failed with only 32.9% of the vote.

Doing away with full preferential voting? Another Liberal brainfart. They only want to change the system to give themselves maximum advantage. The progressive vote is currently split between the ALP and Greens while the Libs and Nats have a détente where they don't run against each other in seats with a sitting Coalition MP. They think the ALP and Greens will continue to take votes off each other, but that can change.

Do you know how you destroy the Coalition with optional preferential voting? Create a new conservative party that is a sensible choice on the surface (perhaps they have an anti-corruption platform to have the maximum chance of taking votes off the Libs), and they run a campaign with "just vote 1". If they take 5% of the Libs vote, they could knock their vote down enough to cause the Libs to lose 10 to 15 seats. This is the spoiler effect.
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:52pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:40pm:
No by-elections with the replacement appointed by the party? A very stupid idea. Apparently the Libs forget that independent MPs exist. Who replaces them?

Four-year terms is an idea that requires a change to the Constitution. Good luck with that. They last tried that in 1988. It failed with only 32.9% of the vote.

Doing away with full preferential voting? Another Liberal brainfart. They only want to change the system to give themselves maximum advantage. The progressive vote is currently split between the ALP and Greens while the Libs and Nats have a détente where they don't run against each other in seats with a sitting Coalition MP. They think the ALP and Greens will continue to take votes off each other, but that can change.

Do you know how you destroy the Coalition with optional preferential voting? Create a new conservative party that is a sensible choice on the surface (perhaps they have an anti-corruption platform to have the maximum chance of taking votes off the Libs), and they run a campaign with "just vote 1". If they take 5% of the Libs vote, they could knock their vote down enough to cause the Libs to lose 10 to 15 seats. This is the spoiler effect.


Tell em Fvvvvck em!

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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:06pm:
It's what we've come to expect from the corrupt Libs/LNP.

"The report suggests looking at the viability of replacing by-elections with alternative methods of selecting the new MP, and declaring a seat “vacant when the sitting MP resigns from or leaves the party under which they were elected”.

"In his forward to the report, Queensland Liberal National Party senator James McGrath says replacing compulsory preferential voting with optional preferential would maximise voter choice."

Parliamentary electoral committee floats bigger parliament, longer terms and no byelections



lets not forget that the parliamentary committee is made up mostly of liberal party stooges
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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 1:38pm:
Apparently the libs want to do away with by elections. Instead, if an MP resigns or is sacked, they want the party to nominate his replacement. So when an MP gets sacked for corruption, his electorate don't get to decide who will represent them .. scomo will.



What is it with the libs trying to do away with democracy? If scomo doesn't go soon he'll try to turn this country into a fascist state.


It's what conservatives do.

They support authoritarian dictatorships, not representative democracy.

It's always been that way.



of course it has...... Roll Eyes

a bit like Dan the man who has cancelled Australia Day... because shock horror covids.. however its ok if you like cricket or tennis...want to attend a blm protest march...... is this dan sticking his big finger up at Australia Day to appease his radical lefty mates. Undecided Undecided Undecided...or maybe he is a real communist as bobby suggests...after dealing with China and now no AUstralia Day parade... I am beginning to agree.



but you guys look with dismay  Roll Eyesat saving money...

when if a member should die in office   they are replaced by a member of the same party without any hue or cry... Angry


Who is Adem Somyurek?
Mr Somyurek was first elected to Victorian Parliament in 2002 and was sworn in as minister for small business, innovation and trade in the Andrews Government in December 2014.

He was suspended and later sacked from Cabinet in 2015, after bullying allegations were made against him by a female member of his staff.

He was brought back into the Cabinet in 2018 after the Andrews Government won its second term in office.

At the time, Premier Andrews welcomed his "good friend" back, saying "he's going to do a fantastic job"


he was done for branch stacking I believe.....he lost his portfolio but what about his job?...

I think he was also sacked from the ALP... Undecided

I dont recall any by elections in Vic this year.so he must still be there. Cheesy
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Reply #11 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:24pm
 
Grin Grin Grin

cods thinks Australia day is democracy


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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:26pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:52pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 2:40pm:
No by-elections with the replacement appointed by the party? A very stupid idea. Apparently the Libs forget that independent MPs exist. Who replaces them?

Four-year terms is an idea that requires a change to the Constitution. Good luck with that. They last tried that in 1988. It failed with only 32.9% of the vote.

Doing away with full preferential voting? Another Liberal brainfart. They only want to change the system to give themselves maximum advantage. The progressive vote is currently split between the ALP and Greens while the Libs and Nats have a détente where they don't run against each other in seats with a sitting Coalition MP. They think the ALP and Greens will continue to take votes off each other, but that can change.

Do you know how you destroy the Coalition with optional preferential voting? Create a new conservative party that is a sensible choice on the surface (perhaps they have an anti-corruption platform to have the maximum chance of taking votes off the Libs), and they run a campaign with "just vote 1". If they take 5% of the Libs vote, they could knock their vote down enough to cause the Libs to lose 10 to 15 seats. This is the spoiler effect.


Tell em Fvvvvck em!

Angry



lets make it a communistic one party country and be done with it.....its the only way to put poor bam out of her misery.  same for you red....your anger isnt good for your bp
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Reply #13 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:24pm:
Grin Grin Grin

cods thinks Australia day is democracy


Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin



having lived abroad   YES I ABSOLUTELY DO>.
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Reply #14 - Dec 13th, 2020 at 4:12pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 13th, 2020 at 3:23pm:
when if a member should die in office   they are replaced by a member of the same party without any hue or cry... Angry




Mmmmm so what happens to independents that die in office cods?

I can understand it in the Senate where all people standing are in a state wide vote so next in line is offered the job,

but not in individual electorates like in the HOR

Had you thought of that?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Mmmm doesnt see like you have!! Grin
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